Seeker Metal Skill Zerk.

DragoAhmad - Archosaur wrote: »

Those who say that Seekers are underpowered are just.... O.o

I can totally approve that Seekers are huge DD to all arcane, light, AND heavy classes. What I'll say now may be biased, but I never got pissed when getting one-shot by absolutely any arcane class... But when one-shot by a Seeker is just completely annoying.. Heavy geared (which means my damage is limited to them, added their 37 defense levels if demon, and 40 if sage, without any OP gear) one-shotting another heavy geared, with ranged and magic.. Fair enough? But meh, maybe it's just me. xD

I have a seeker myself, and I do love the high damage I deal. Once again, one drawback is the lack of CC and Anti-stun.. but why would I need to have those if I can deal insanely high damage to any kind of gear. Give them "reliable" CC and Anti-stun, and I bet no class can touch them. And why CC? All Arcanes neglect them with their Purify Spell. xD So that's a good thing for you seekers, just concentrate on killing them. :P

It's true an Assassin can CC, and true they can jump, but it's also true they're squishy. Use AD if they do make that much damage on you. At least Seekers don't get kited like other HA users do. And as Zan said, we BMs ARE the "Jacks-of-all-trades". >.>

And those who argue that the Seeker does 1/4 of a Wizard's damage. Seriously, why do you even want to do a Wizards damage?? Asking for more, aren't you? b:chuckle A Wizard can one-shot HAs, Seekers aren't meant to do that, at all.

After all, it may be from my perspective, but Zerk on metal attack skills are completely unneeded. Physical Attacks for AAs and LAs.. Let your fellow HAs live a while longer, they don't range. b:surrender

Salute to all Seekers everywhere. b:victory

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

how do strangers know my rl name? lol
back to the point tho, yes there's a lotta combo out there, not just sac slash + qpq.
I was killilng ppl more geared than me b4 morai shet came out and b4 they had metal zerks. its just our skill have a high damage.
I believe a way to balance is not to nerf classes but to give weaker classes a boost .


also, the added extra metal damage from soulsever proc is worth nothing -_-

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

i never thought to do all that (wich tbh seems like it would take too long) i've only ever used fortify and crimson soul powder with sac slash. a well timed fortify, sage unfetter, and spark grants u full immunity to pull it off.

now! here's dustyy's vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBfw-QdGLo&feature=youtu.be

her first hit was 27k the second was 36k both times that would have nearly one shot the barb.

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yes, and i dont see any reason for validating the OP's arguments in the first place then.
I do believe you're right. Seekers don't need sac slash combo to kill other opponents. This thread is all about how zerks on magic attacks is breaking the class.
So, instead of QQing about zerks on magic attacks on seekers, they should talk about how low defenses barbs have in which case they need to be upgraded. That is what i've been saying all along.

It's hard to do a lotta damage to end game wizzies if you're a seeker trying to pull the combo off. However, we have easy time killing HA classes. Which means, BMs and barbs should get more defenses instead of QQing about how OP seeker's magic zerks are. cuz they're not. We need those skills to kill anyone these days at end game gears

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

if u bring a wizzy down to half hp use and the physical combo they generally die with a zerk crit. i also never said that they didn't need sac slash combo to kill. what i've said is they don't need the metal zerk damage from the combo they have now. so if you have a 36k crit before u now have a 72k crit after. now even without the combo, you can 1 shot most people with a lucky zerk crit in an aoe and anyone around your target if there unlucky. and as for validating it i agree with the opening. this promotes more skill spamming rather then learning the class's strengths.

burningsweetfire wrote: »

You have to skill spam to build up chi before actually using the class's strength, you triple spark, which is a lot of skill spamming to regain that back. As I said before 36k crit from a triple spark is reasonable but in reality, triple sparking is just asking someone to just holy path away or gank you. The trio skills to build chi is rock split, staggering, and batt, which if you see a seeker do this, he is dpsing just like a psy dpsing. Furthermore, why not kill while cycling these 3 skills?

The zerk magic is compensation for seekers lacking in anti-stuns and other immunity. If you notice most of seeker's skills are pure damage, making a seeker a dps and dph class. With the combo you have now, I'll ask you this... is worth wasting all your genie's energy, apoth cooldown, and 4 sparks when zerk could have saved your genie energy and apoth or triple sparking? Your combo is basically similar to psy going all out, the difference is... psy switch to white voodoo and have shields to protect himself while seeker could just get CCed and killed. Zerk magic pretty much saves seeker from the use of apoths, genie energy, and sparks. In addition those saved apoths, genie energy, and sparks would equal to the lack of anti-stuns and immunity they have.

actually as an demon seeker in a fight i gain chi really fast (demon rock cleave ftw ). only issue i've ever had was QpQ being in cool down.... if it messes up for some reason demon unfetter is a purify and removes all the effects i'd QpQ. and most classes can't out damage a charm at endgame with r9, that includes barbarians vs seekers, if neither sparks it will end in a stale mate.at 25k+ hp for a seeker and generally 30-40k hp for a barb. your not gonna get passed a 20k charm tick without sparking. perhaps i can ask dusty to show a fight between her and a barb at end game. as for CC and other skills to stop it. the most effective way to stop a combo is to silence, or there's the genie skill that makes u immune to metal damage.

as it is a sage seeker can get the combo off pretty easily:

burningsweetfire wrote: »

It is possible without triple sparking, you hit 36k non-zerk in triple spark, right? If you didn't triple spark and that damage comes out as a zerk crit, it would hit almost the same as if you triple sparked.

This a video from Livewire I randomly saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXH5GxZR8Hc

With that much damage to a lvl 1 mob, and going through all PVP reductions, Lvl reductions, defense reductions, and etc. That is still enough to KO someone.

I also observed you lacked using a r8r sword with defense levels in your combo, wouldn't that increase your damage more when using SA slash. It's more like a private server your on, and don't have O'malley, wouldn't that also increase the damage power? With zerk, seekers can kill barbs without triple sparking, which is also a technique used before they increased seeker's damage. I'll agree with many other seekers that having zerk magic replaces the fact we don't have to waste 3 useful sparks to kill someone.

Here some counters to combo if people like IHaxJoo said that would QQ, get belief, absolute domain, heart of steel, expel, or holy path (Just run and don't fight) on your genie. Use IG or Pan Gu or Sutra Orb.

spikeshot wrote: »

Sage Ion Spike deals almost the same damage as Gemini Slash, so if he would Ion instead of Gemini, he would still deal around the same damage but a little lower (If you actually damage test them). Expel is brought up because you can do the same with gemini, it's for those archers, wizards, clerics, venos, and mystic that would QQ about combo with gemini. As I said, you can't demonstrate that this combo would work in reality PVP, that barb could have invoked or heart of steel and make your damage useless. There is a huge difference between hitting a puppet and hitting an opponent that is skilled enough to evade this. No seeker gonna triple spark to kill a Seeker (with defense levels), Bm (magic marrow), and barb. The addition of zerk in magic allow seekers to manage their chi for more desperate situations and I don't think triple spark to kill a barb, bm, or seeker is smart.

Question before, is it worth exhausting all your apoths, genie's energy, and 4 sparks to kill a barb when zerk could have save you your apoths, genie's energy or 3 sparks? Saying that you get immunity while doing this combo don't prevent future threats when your immunity is done, and on other note, it doesn't prevent you from taking damage, so in group PVE, your dead before this combo even finishes.

burningsweetfire wrote: »

"Expel is brought up because you can do the same with gemini, it's for those archers, wizards, clerics, venos, and mystic that would QQ about combo with gemini." (yea that should clear that up, magic classes will tank metal skills easily)

"at end game with 28k base hp ful JoSD with 120 def lvls, most classes arent gonna damage u much" This is wrong, in endgame, every class are going to have over 120 attack lvls, which negates seeker's 120 defense lvls. Crits from magic classes (even archers) will potentially kill a seeker in 1-3 shots. The set up would consider in 1v1 situation that would often fail. As I said seekers need that zerk in magic (mentioning low crit rates depending on what seeker you are) because triple sparking was an old tactic used when r9 didn't came out for seekers. In PVP, you can observe that g16 seekers will spark to kill someone stronger than them, while a r9+ seeker would rather wait for their zerk to proc and save the chi for later situations.

Here why it would fail in 1v1, your wasting all your resources to kill your opponent, which is exactly what your opponent wants, because that barb could easily went and block with an Pan gu and if demon goto devour or weaken, Tree protection and arma (yes this can kill full JoSD seekers too when it crits). Using that skill on a psy, wizard, or any other class will leave you dead too. It's not smart to exhaust all your resources when your opponent hasn't exhaust their's.

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

Could you tell me the name of this seeker who has 28k base hp in our server?
if not, link us the pwcalc.com gear......
with that kinda gear, any class is unkillable not just seekers. If ppl have spent their life/money on the game to achieve such a feat, then they deserve to not be killed so easily. cuz thts why they got those gears in the first place anyways.