Seeker Metal Skill Zerk.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Any chance of getting GoF On the R9R3 bow? I'd actually buy R9 just for the damn bow!

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually a seeker with full JoSD can one shot ANY class with just a crit. as its possible to get well above 150 attack lvls that way as well as 32 extra def lvls on top of all there buffs and gear. even on other r9's an endgame seeker can hit a barb (full t3 r9 +12 JoSD) for around 40k with a crit ion spike (no zerk). as for CC skills most people don't even realise how useful parched blade is, preferring to use Northern Sky Waltz or Soul Sever. even at just 20% its an aoe stun for 3 seconds and can be spammed pretty quickly, almost instantly marked if you start with vortex. that + occult ice + void step you can keep an opponent locked in place for a very long time. i havent even taken into account heart seeker.

if anything is weaker amongst this class, its the lack of anti sun and chi skills. especially since i'm demon. i don't get the 50 chi instantly skill that sage does.

I'm not the one that said that.

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not the one that said that.

LAWL sorry fixed :P but still my point remains. i think zerk magic was an un needed buff to the class (coming from a girl who's seeker is her main). most people i've seen play only know a few basic combo's (like QpQ sac slash, etc) and skill spam. there is a lot of tricks you can do with the way things proc and how they debuff. (ion spike + edged blurr is a nice basic one some people may know) there is even more if you use your genie and apoth. i can 2-3 shot most barbs in my TT90 gear as it is xD.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

LAWL sorry fixed :P but still my point remains. i think zerk magic was an un needed buff to the class (coming from a girl who's seeker is her main). most people i've seen play only know a few basic combo's (like QpQ sac slash, etc) and skill spam. there is a lot of tricks you can do with the way things proc and how they debuff. (ion spike + edged blurr is a nice basic one some people may know) there is even more if you use your genie and apoth. i can 2-3 shot most barbs in my TT90 gear as it is xD.

I've noticed it's Seekers or people who play Seekers that defend the ability to zerk on metal, it's kind of nice to see someone playing the class have a different opinion. Seekers are pretty versatile, long range tanks with the ability to zerk on physical is already enough I think, considering the sheer amount of defense they have and their ability to launch certain devastating combos.


(This is more to Kiran or other Seekers I suppose, rather than you)

"Jack of all trades, master of none" is what a BM is, it's what it was always meant to be. If a Seeker wants to take that title then they shouldn't need zerks on metal. They've got a pretty insane amount of defense as it is, boosting their offense to such a degree seems a little unbalanced. Especially considering the actual jack of all trades class has had no such boosts to their offense, with only one skill getting a significant boost in damage (Smack) and the other getting a larger Pdef and Mdef debuff in PvP (Glacial Spike). The changes to leaps were nice, but are in no way able to compete with 40 defense levels. The changes to Smack and Glacial were nice but can't compete with metal zerk crits, neither of those are magic, and Glacial is very chi consuming and situational. If you want to claim you need zerk crits on metal skills then go play a BM and tell me how you get by with only haven't physical skills, less defense levels, and needing stupidly large amounts of chi to land good enough combos to break through the enemy defenses. Marrows are great, but they don't compare to 40 defense levels by any means. Soo, yeah, where's the BM rebalance where we get a semi-spammable combo that can spike super high hits? Oh.. right, we're a jack of all trades melee range off-tank. So we don't get metal zerks or the ability zerk from over 20 meters away outside of one skill with a 30 second cooldown that is usually used up for something else.

Though, considering that you're referring to TT90 gear and things change quite a bit at end game, your opinion may not be considered valid by some people.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

BMs are support class, so its not really a fair comparison. Best Stuns, Best Amps, game changing morai skills, and actually have better survival than seekers when taking into consideration all their survival skills.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

BMs are support class, so its not really a fair comparison. Best Stuns, Best Amps, game changing morai skills, and actually have better survival than seekers when taking into consideration all their survival skills.

Considering that people are comparing Archers to Seekers, which are two completely different classes with different playstyles and entirely different weapon procs, I'd say BMs are a pretty decent comparison given that both classes have access to Zerks, use heavy armor, and the reason I went ahead and compared them in the first place: referring to Seekers as the jack of all trades. It's a title that has always been held by BMs, and it means that while you're the master of nothing you're good at everything. In wanting Zerks on metal skills it seems like Seekers are asking for more than that, when they've already got pretty insane defense and work extremely well in group PvP where they can launch long range AoEs. 1v1 they can tank extremely well, even without insane amounts of crowd control. They're already great tanks, boosting their offense because "they don't do enough damage otherwise" is a lame excuse, because Blademasters have been in the same situation for a while. Granted, they have crowd control, but they aren't gonna land kills no matter how many stuns they use if they aren't able to put out enough damage to break through the opponent's charm.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Considering that people are comparing Archers to Seekers, which are two completely different classes with different playstyles and entirely different weapon procs, I'd say BMs are a pretty decent comparison given that both classes have access to Zerks, use heavy armor, and the reason I went ahead and compared them in the first place: referring to Seekers as the jack of all trades. It's a title that has always been held by BMs, and it means that while you're the master of nothing you're good at everything. In wanting Zerks on metal skills it seems like Seekers are asking for more than that, when they've already got pretty insane defense and work extremely well in group PvP where they can launch long range AoEs. 1v1 they can tank extremely well, even without insane amounts of crowd control. They're already great tanks, boosting their offense because "they don't do enough damage otherwise" is a lame excuse, because Blademasters have been in the same situation for a while. Granted, they have crowd control, but they aren't gonna land kills no matter how many stuns they use if they aren't able to put out enough damage to break through the opponent's charm.

The way i see it is that seekers are kind of a DD class, Archers are a DD class, so they can be compared. Although note that I'm not the one comparing archers to seekers. I agree that they are quite different. Meanwhile, BM is a support class so it serves a different purpose. Although with full third cast, bms do output far more damage than they used to do with just regular r9.

From a pvp perspective, BMs are most definitely good for something - crowd control. But what are seekers good for? Their damage is too inconsistent to be a DD. They don't tank nearly as well as a barb. They are definitely not known for their anti stuns or crowd control. It's hard to say.

Personally though, I don't actually care whether they can zerk or not. They can still kill people without it, and people can still survive with it.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The way i see it is that seekers are kind of a DD class. Archers are a DD class. So they can be compared. Although note that I'm not the one comparing archers to seekers. Meanwhile, BM is a support class so it serves a different purpose. Although with full third cast, bms do output far more damage than they used to do with just regular r9.

From a pvp perspective, BMs are most definitely good for something - crowd control. But what are seekers good for? Their damage is too inconsistent to be a DD. They don't tank nearly as well as a barb. They are definitely not known for their anti stuns or crowd control. It's hard to say.

Personally though, I don't actually care whether they can zerk or not. They can still kill people without it, and people can still survive with it.

Just like a Seeker is kind of a DD they're kind of an off tank, just a long range one. So they're comparable to BMs as well.

For PvP it seems like they're good at dodging around and picking people off, or adding to the AoE damage of their group while keeping distance until the time comes to pick off a difficult to kill target where they'll unleash their combos. Just because they're not stunlocking doesn't mean their purpose is scattered, there's plenty a Seeker can do such as spreading damage around from long range while the others in their group are going in for kills.

That's just it, they can kill people without it. I'm sure they managed before they got zerk on metal skills, though granted that was before R9R3 was so readily available. In any case, it's un-needed which is the entire point of this thread.

burningsweetfire

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually a seeker with full JoSD can one shot ANY class with just a crit. as its possible to get well above 150 attack lvls that way as well as 32 extra def lvls on top of all there buffs and gear. even on other r9's an endgame seeker can hit a barb (full t3 r9 +12 JoSD) for around 40k with a crit ion spike (no zerk). as for CC skills most people don't even realise how useful parched blade is, preferring to use Northern Sky Waltz or Soul Sever. even at just 20% its an aoe stun for 3 seconds and can be spammed pretty quickly, almost instantly marked if you start with vortex. that + occult ice + void step you can keep an opponent locked in place for a very long time. i havent even taken into account heart seeker.

if anything is weaker amongst this class, its the lack of anti sun and chi skills. especially since i'm demon. i don't get the 50 chi instantly skill that sage does.

I really need to see the proof to how a r9 seeker can hit a barb full r9t3 +12 JoSD for 40k with a crit ion spike, because this really does not add up. Also noticing your lvl 100, you have not tried r9 sword yet, so you can not really add up to how defensive a full r9t3 +12 barb is. A seeker with full JoSD can't really one shot any class with just a crit, try it against a white voodoo psy. Next is "start with vortex"... like what? Seeker should save with 2 sparks in pvp to use edged blur. I would also like to see the built that gives seekers 150 attack levels with full JoSD with no sacrificial slash since you didn't mention it.

Seekers need that zerk magic, because really... you can't kill a full r9t3 +12 JoSD barb, even a psy can't do it without triple sparking. You really have to play a r9 seeker and a t3 seeker to really know how zerk will benefit, because no one really want a battle to drag on for too long.

DoodsWH - Sanctuary

burningsweetfire wrote: »

I really need to see the proof to how a r9 seeker can hit a barb full r9t3 +12 JoSD for 40k with a crit ion spike, because this really does not add up. Also noticing your lvl 100, you have not tried r9 sword yet, so you can not really add up to how defensive a full r9t3 +12 barb is. A seeker with full JoSD can't really one shot any class with just a crit, try it against a white voodoo psy. Next is "start with vortex"... like what? Seeker should save with 2 sparks in pvp to use edged blur. I would also like to see the built that gives seekers 150 attack levels with full JoSD with no sacrificial slash since you didn't mention it.

Seekers need that zerk magic, because really... you can't kill a full r9t3 +12 JoSD barb, even a psy can't do it without triple sparking. You really have to play a r9 seeker and a t3 seeker to really know how zerk will benefit, because no one really want a battle to drag on for too long.

because what they arent telling u is u can get certain pots that heaven flame u when used along with the morai skill that reduces ur def lvl and qpq it off onto the enemy with the genie skill fortify and suddenly ur oppoent dies. has nothing to do with the OP's qq of seekers zerking. at end game seekers cant kill a full +12 r93 barbone hit like ur saying. a wizzy could IF they use the genie skill spark AND the barb doesnt have the morai save my *** skill. My main is a sin my seeker is an alt. not going to end game it cause i seen what they are end game. said seekers are also killed by tt99 armored, r93 sins. true the sin can be 2 hit but the seekers still can die. try same scenario with the so called barb that gets worked. bet seeker and sin die.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

In more coherent form:
r8r sword (21-25+ def levels) + Omalley's, Crimson Soul Powder + fortify, sacrificial slash QPQ ---> R9RR Sword + Jone's Blessing extreme poison Ion Spike zerkcrit

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide

burningsweetfire wrote: »

I really need to see the proof to how a r9 seeker can hit a barb full r9t3 +12 JoSD for 40k with a crit ion spike, because this really does not add up. Also noticing your lvl 100, you have not tried r9 sword yet, so you can not really add up to how defensive a full r9t3 +12 barb is. A seeker with full JoSD can't really one shot any class with just a crit, try it against a white voodoo psy. Next is "start with vortex"... like what? Seeker should save with 2 sparks in pvp to use edged blur. I would also like to see the built that gives seekers 150 attack levels with full JoSD with no sacrificial slash since you didn't mention it.

Seekers need that zerk magic, because really... you can't kill a full r9t3 +12 JoSD barb, even a psy can't do it without triple sparking. You really have to play a r9 seeker and a t3 seeker to really know how zerk will benefit, because no one really want a battle to drag on for too long.

you want proof? i'll give it in a video, give me a few days to get it uploaded.

burningsweetfire

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

In more coherent form:
r8r sword (21-25+ def levels) + Omalley's, Crimson Soul Powder + fortify, sacrificial slash QPQ ---> R9RR Sword + Jone's Blessing extreme poison Ion Spike zerkcrit

As a seeker, I'm wondering how to pull this off if your opponent is aware of you actually trying to combo him or her. This combo seems like it would take over 4 seconds even with blade affinity and does not kill if your opponent just AD or use immunity. It's a killing combo but in reality it's gonna get interrupted or shorten in PVP.

And I'll be stalking this thread for the video that Rose is talking about, I'm already looking for the video of seeker soloing harpy wraith. 40k crit is basically 20k worth of raw damage from ion spike and hitting a r9t3 +12 full JoSD for that which I'm sure not even a psy or wizard can do without triple sparking. Also determine the buffs too, because those are vital, that zerk in magic allow seekers to pierce defensive buffs.

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide

burningsweetfire wrote: »

As a seeker, I'm wondering how to pull this off if your opponent is aware of you actually trying to combo him or her. This combo seems like it would take over 4 seconds even with blade affinity and does not kill if your opponent just AD or use immunity. It's a killing combo but in reality it's gonna get interrupted or shorten in PVP.

And I'll be stalking this thread for the video that Rose is talking about, I'm already looking for the video of seeker soloing harpy wraith. 40k crit is basically 20k worth of raw damage from ion spike and hitting a r9t3 +12 full JoSD for that which I'm sure not even a psy or wizard can do without triple sparking. Also determine the buffs too, because those are vital, that zerk in magic allow seekers to pierce defensive buffs.

not if u'r doing it right there is more then just unfetter. theres fortify wich is an additional 3 seconds then if you have sage blade affinity its also another 6 seconds of 50% chance of missing with a debuff.if ur hot keys are set up it doesnt take long at all.

:edit a friend volunteered to take the vid yayy! expect it soon.

Niobus - Archosaur

My opinion for a PvP mainly playing person:

A seeker, same as Mystic has the problem to be seen as trade off. If you wana tank as a Seeker you have a problem keeping the agro, espetially since most new bosses interrupt your vortex, the only real agro skill, all the time. -> you are a bad tank

Same goes with DD: All APS classes have a higher DMG output. Mages hit at least 2-4x the dmg I do, when I use skills. For a mage 100k crit is possible even with TT99 Equip without any big deal. For my R9+5 Seeker I can hit for 100k too, BUT than I need a lot of debuffs and luck. So to get the skill dmg seekers and Casters do almost equal GoF is needed. For APS users I don't bother they hit harder over the time.. If you wana QQ than ask why the fastest hitting class(Sin) gets GoF to boast that even more.

already mentioned: Seekers have a real lack of control skills. So either we can survive long enough to kill it or kill it faster, but we only have 1 reliable stun. For the freeze: a) it dosen't prog by 90% when you have a stance on, which is usually that way. b) you need to be sage and have the skill to get 90% prog-rate c) most mobs have range skills too, which really hurt so freeze is pretty useless to control mobs.

mentioned antistun: Seekers DON'T have an antistun. Thats a myth. The skill blocks movement debuffs. That is freeze and slow down. It doesn't block stun or seal (anymore). It used to till last patch.. Now Seekers don't have a antistun.

All in all I would not say, that a seeker is OP. If you talk Full rrr9+12 JoSD you can take any class as OP. Let me give you an example:
Cleric: heal+ sleep+ dmg = almost unstopable if not same gear
Sin: stealth+controll skills +APS = no chance even to react
Psych: SoV+highdmg+phy immun = how do a Seeker even come close?
Wiz: highest dmg+purify+high defence
Barb: 30k+ HP+ high def+ dmg reduce skills = how to kill it?

And so on.. Every class gets OP when best equip, refine and shards.. So stop QQing about Seekers. Play your class to teh max. Get your equip to the max and you will be OP too.

Tide_Surfer - Archosaur

Niobus - Archosaur wrote: »

My opinion for a PvP mainly playing person:

A seeker, same as Mystic has the problem to be seen as trade off. If you wana tank as a Seeker you have a problem keeping the agro, espetially since most new bosses interrupt your vortex, the only real agro skill, all the time. -> you are a bad tank

Same goes with DD: All APS classes have a higher DMG output. Mages hit at least 2-4x the dmg I do, when I use skills. For a mage 100k crit is possible even with TT99 Equip without any big deal. For my R9+5 Seeker I can hit for 100k too, BUT than I need a lot of debuffs and luck. So to get the skill dmg seekers and Casters do almost equal GoF is needed. For APS users I don't bother they hit harder over the time.. If you wana QQ than ask why the fastest hitting class(Sin) gets GoF to boast that even more.

already mentioned: Seekers have a real lack of control skills. So either we can survive long enough to kill it or kill it faster, but we only have 1 reliable stun. For the freeze: a) it dosen't prog by 90% when you have a stance on, which is usually that way. b) you need to be sage and have the skill to get 90% prog-rate c) most mobs have range skills too, which really hurt so freeze is pretty useless to control mobs.

mentioned antistun: Seekers DON'T have an antistun. Thats a myth. The skill blocks movement debuffs. That is freeze and slow down. It doesn't block stun or seal (anymore). It used to till last patch.. Now Seekers don't have a antistun.

All in all I would not say, that a seeker is OP. If you talk Full rrr9+12 JoSD you can take any class as OP. Let me give you an example:
Cleric: heal+ sleep+ dmg = almost unstopable if not same gear
Sin: stealth+controll skills +APS = no chance even to react
Psych: SoV+highdmg+phy immun = how do a Seeker even come close?
Wiz: highest dmg+purify+high defence
Barb: 30k+ HP+ high def+ dmg reduce skills = how to kill it?

And so on.. Every class gets OP when best equip, refine and shards.. So stop QQing about Seekers. Play your class to teh max. Get your equip to the max and you will be OP too.

Coming from a psy, I'm pure mag full G16 all +5/+9, I never managed a 100k crit as R8/TT99 on mobs unless it was hf'd/amp'd/majorlu debuffed.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Niobus - Archosaur wrote: »

My opinion for a PvP mainly playing person:

A seeker, same as Mystic has the problem to be seen as trade off. If you wana tank as a Seeker you have a problem keeping the agro, espetially since most new bosses interrupt your vortex, the only real agro skill, all the time. -> you are a bad tank

Not too sure what PvE has to do with this discussion.

Same goes with DD: All APS classes have a higher DMG output. Mages hit at least 2-4x the dmg I do, when I use skills. For a mage 100k crit is possible even with TT99 Equip without any big deal. For my R9+5 Seeker I can hit for 100k too, BUT than I need a lot of debuffs and luck. So to get the skill dmg seekers and Casters do almost equal GoF is needed. For APS users I don't bother they hit harder over the time.. If you wana QQ than ask why the fastest hitting class(Sin) gets GoF to boast that even more.

You can still get that on physical zerk crits. You don't need metal as well, considering how many of your skills are physical compared to metal. Just sayin'.

Can't say I like GoF on daggers, but at least it only works on physical attacks for them.

already mentioned: Seekers have a real lack of control skills. So either we can survive long enough to kill it or kill it faster, but we only have 1 reliable stun. For the freeze: a) it dosen't prog by 90% when you have a stance on, which is usually that way. b) you need to be sage and have the skill to get 90% prog-rate c) most mobs have range skills too, which really hurt so freeze is pretty useless to control mobs.

mentioned antistun: Seekers DON'T have an antistun. Thats a myth. The skill blocks movement debuffs. That is freeze and slow down. It doesn't block stun or seal (anymore). It used to till last patch.. Now Seekers don't have a antistun.

All in all I would not say, that a seeker is OP. If you talk Full rrr9+12 JoSD you can take any class as OP. Let me give you an example:
Cleric: heal+ sleep+ dmg = almost unstopable if not same gear
"not same gear" invalid.
Sin: stealth+controll skills +APS = no chance even to react
Plenty, if your gear is up to par and you have roughly the same refines as they do on their weapon.
Psych: SoV+highdmg+phy immun = how do a Seeker even come close?
They can't keep Psychic Will up indefinitely, and their high damage comes at a large cost. SoV can be bypassed with Fortify or antistun easy enough.
Wiz: highest dmg+purify+high defence
Barb: 30k+ HP+ high def+ dmg reduce skills = how to kill it? Gank the **** out of it.

And so on.. Every class gets OP when best equip, refine and shards.. So stop QQing about Seekers. Play your class to teh max. Get your equip to the max and you will be OP too.

Not every class gets OP friend.

b:cute

taringa181

i think this thread has already been nuked by geno

tho trust me that r8r malley 3spark ss crimson fortify qpq r9r jones frenzy prolly is avoidable in 1on1 but in nw\tw\mass pvp is a total shred if u ba gemini it is also a rocketing aoe while you are on the antistun of fortify and damage redux of sage spark, also if target uses hos to avoid your damage he ll still suffer from the physical part of the gemini

_BIackRose_ - Raging Tide

taringa181 wrote: »

i think this thread has already been nuked by geno
]tho trust me that r8r malley 3spark ss crimson fortify qpq r9r jones frenzy prolly is avoidable in 1on1 but in nw\tw\mass pvp is a total shred if u ba gemini it is also a rocketing aoe while you are on the antistun of fortify and damage redux of sage spark, also if target uses hos to avoid your damage he ll still suffer from the physical part of the gemini

i never thought to do all that (wich tbh seems like it would take too long) i've only ever used fortify and crimson soul powder with sac slash. a well timed fortify, sage unfetter, and spark grants u full immunity to pull it off.

now! here's dustyy's vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBfw-QdGLo&feature=youtu.be

her first hit was 27k the second was 36k both times that would have nearly one shot the barb.

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

Rofl, such a simple combo and hitting 36k on a josd barb.
Broke much?
Anyone who compares an archers crit damage to this is not even worth listening to.

Regenbogen - Lost City

Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Rofl, such a simple combo and hitting 36k on a josd barb.
Broke much?
Anyone who compares an archers crit damage to this is not even worth listening to.

wizards have a way easier combo...b:quiet

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

wizards have a way easier combo...b:quiet

But wizards are an arcane class that are meant to be able to hit heavy armours hard.
Is the debuff a seeker can do even comparable to genie spark? I haven't done the maths but I doubt it. This discussion isn't about wizards either.

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide

Why are you showing off using our 3 spark? Lol
Get a wizard to 3 spark and do their fire/sutra combo on the same barb. And record the video . ull b amazed at the damage. Its 20k+ damage non crit on a seeker r9r2......


I'm not saying seekers aren't OP but using 3 spark as a hypothesis is wrong. Cuz that means u do ur 3 spark combo in TW and ur pretty much dead after that


Also this thread has turned into a massive seekers are OP qq thread. Try doing our 3 spark on a fully jaded wizard first. Ull wanna rage quit when u see how low our damage is.so instead of trying to Nerf seekers, u should talk about how barbs should get more defense instead....... Geez

taringa181

lawl @ 36k non zerked ion...

to make it even more broken u should autoatk to give that barb soulseaver debuff then the combo and after ion throw the gemini
also u should try to use eruption fist\elemental weakness instead of fortify and see if u have any noticeable improvements in damage orrr make a full vit genie and do both fortify before qpq then fist frenzy xD it should be 55+75+80 = 210 vit genie = possible

what kiran said tho my 3spark undine spark divine pyro hitted a josd +12 r8r wpn barb for 54k also my 100 def lvl 22k phys res wizard got hit for 15k by a zerkcrit gemini

its not a qq i just wish i had rolled a seeker back in time

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide

taringa181 wrote: »

lawl @ 36k non zerked ion...

to make it even more broken u should autoatk to give that barb soulseaver debuff then the combo and after ion throw the gemini
also u should try to use eruption fist\elemental weakness instead of fortify and see if u have any noticeable improvements in damage orrr make a full vit genie and do both fortify before qpq then fist frenzy xD it should be 55+75+80 = 210 vit genie = possible

what kiran said tho my 3spark undine spark divine pyro hitted a josd +12 r8r wpn barb for 54k also my 100 def lvl 22k phys res wizard got hit for 15k by a zerkcrit gemini

its not a qq i just wish i had rolled a seeker back in time

how do strangers know my rl name? lol
back to the point tho, yes there's a lotta combo out there, not just sac slash + qpq.
I was killilng ppl more geared than me b4 morai shet came out and b4 they had metal zerks. its just our skill have a high damage.
I believe a way to balance is not to nerf classes but to give weaker classes a boost .


also, the added extra metal damage from soulsever proc is worth nothing -_-

Zsw - Dreamweaver

No one is going to let you triple spark on them unless you're doing it secretly in mass pvp though. But any class can do that.

That combo also requires all your chi, most of your genie, and your apoth's cooldown.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

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Also this thread has turned into a massive seekers are OP qq thread.

I know right.. when we're not..

Decus - Dreamweaver

I am pretty sure seeker metal skills miss, but I can't really think back to the last time I was paying attention to it. If they don't, then that would be pretty unfair given archer metal skills can miss. (I know it's not the purpose of the tread, but I'd like spirit blackhole to be able to proc on any skill like GoF...)

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

This is the part where we ignore blatant QQers and get back on topic.

DragoAhmad - Archosaur

Those who say that Seekers are underpowered are just.... O.o

I can totally approve that Seekers are huge DD to all arcane, light, AND heavy classes. What I'll say now may be biased, but I never got pissed when getting one-shot by absolutely any arcane class... But when one-shot by a Seeker is just completely annoying.. Heavy geared (which means my damage is limited to them, added their 37 defense levels if demon, and 40 if sage, without any OP gear) one-shotting another heavy geared, with ranged and magic.. Fair enough? But meh, maybe it's just me. xD

I have a seeker myself, and I do love the high damage I deal. Once again, one drawback is the lack of CC and Anti-stun.. but why would I need to have those if I can deal insanely high damage to any kind of gear. Give them "reliable" CC and Anti-stun, and I bet no class can touch them. And why CC? All Arcanes neglect them with their Purify Spell. xD So that's a good thing for you seekers, just concentrate on killing them. :P

It's true an Assassin can CC, and true they can jump, but it's also true they're squishy. Use AD if they do make that much damage on you. At least Seekers don't get kited like other HA users do. And as Zan said, we BMs ARE the "Jacks-of-all-trades". >.>

And those who argue that the Seeker does 1/4 of a Wizard's damage. Seriously, why do you even want to do a Wizards damage?? Asking for more, aren't you? b:chuckle A Wizard can one-shot HAs, Seekers aren't meant to do that, at all.

After all, it may be from my perspective, but Zerk on metal attack skills are completely unneeded. Physical Attacks for AAs and LAs.. Let your fellow HAs live a while longer, they don't range. b:surrender

Salute to all Seekers everywhere. b:victory