Seeker Metal Skill Zerk.

Toomaga - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How unfortunate...I was actually enjoying this discussion.

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think this should be moved to General Discussions to be discussed on.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ion Spike can miss, I've seen this happen too many times. Same with heartseeker and especially battousai.

Gemini Slash is perhaps the most glaring one that misses. Not hard when you see 3 or 4 of those spring up after the initial delay.

Addendum - it wont matter too much if the AOE's miss in an AOE situation, but the single attacks, yeah missing hurts.

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

Let me iterate a few points on seekers that everyone should know about.

A seeker +12 everything JOSD will do about 1/4 of the damage to a wizard +12 everything JOSD while the wizard does 4 times the seeker's damage(obviously cuz wizards have tons of mag and phy def) That's flat damage, you're not including the fact that Seekers can massively reduce the opponent's defense levels. Comparing base damage to base damage without applying debuffs becomes irrelevant once you take into account that one of the Seeker's most commonly used combos includes reducing the opponent's defense levels. Granted, if they get caught using that it'll hurt, there are ways to easily avoid that. If Sage, Blade Affinity certainly helps.

A seeker sucks at 1 v 1. I am sorry whoever thinks this is untrue but there's no way an equally geared seeker can kill their enemy equally geared unless they get lucky with zerk+crit.

A seeker is jack of all trades, master of none. They have little bit of everything but they don't specialize in any one aspect.That was the whole point of why they came out with seeker. They're good at everything but they're not particularly best at ANYTHING

Gee, that sounds familiar.

A seeker shines at group pvp cuz they have a high probability of zerking or critting a lot since lots of our skills are AOEs however once a seeker gets focus fired, he's dead for sure.

That's true of any class, save for those with Purify Spell where they'll have a chance of getting out with Purify Spell. Though if that doesn't proc and they're being ganked by equal geared opponents, yeah, they're dead too. That's irrelevant and not a valid reason for metal skills to zerk.

Edged blur DOES NOT have the ability to zerk nor does it have the ability to crit. You sometimes see edged blur doing tons of damage cuz it has x % chance of doing 1.5x that is solely dependent on the seeker's crit rate.

I didn't mention Edged Blur, and I haven't seen it come up in the thread yet. But alrighty.

If a bm has both demon aura and mag marrow on and both are equally geared, seeker will have a hard time killing a bm and the same goes for bms trying to kill a seeker. It's just not possible unless u get lucky with zerk crit(where seeker has the advantage)

That ties into my point about zerking from both sides. If the BM slips up, it opens him up to being hit with a zerk/zerk+crit from the side of the combat table he's currently weakest against. The BM cannot do that in turn, nor can a Barb. It's much easier for a Seeker to bring down an HA class than it is for another HA class to bring down a Seeker.

Like i mentioned earlier, casters have triple the magic attacks in comparison to a seeker's own physical attacks. So, seeker's zerk crit is equivalent to a caster's crit(both have similar chance of happenstance)

Most people who think seekers are OP are the people who have been one shotted by a seeker's zerk+crit. Without pulling that off, its kinda hard to kill enemies with equal gears.

The same can be said of any HA class really, it's hard to land kills outside of a zerk crit or chain of zerks, crits, and zerk crits. A BM's not gonna kill targets just spamming AoEs at even gear, the BM will need to time it so that it's able to drop a combo (a very chi consuming combo) when the opponent's unable to genie out or block it, or is unlikely to do so. A Seeker will be able to use their combo (from my understanding and having read through what people have said about it) every 30 seconds or so, for a decently low cost. Granted, it's hard to kill another HA Class, but they'll still have a much easier time at it thanks to metal zerk crits. Let's not forget that 1v1 HA va HA, the other HA will be wary of debuffing the Seeker to finish the fight thanks to the possibility of Badge/Fortify>QPQ to reflect whatever debuffs the original user wasted chi and time on getting off.



And yes, we do have the ability to one shot when the enemy is not fully buffed. But, we only have two skills that do substantial amount of damage
1)Ion spike = metal skill
2)Gemini slash = physical skill (the added proc from soulsever combined with gemini does an extra metal damage but its not a lot. it's like 5% damage of your physical attack)

Once the seekers use both those skills, they're as good as dead if they don't kite when being focus fired.

I think the huge misunderstanding comes from the people who have never played a seeker themselves so they have no idea how seeker's skills works. Also cuz the seeker population is not that high across all servers so not a lot of people know jack about seekers. It's not just spamming skills and be done with it. Play a seeker to lvl 100, try what their skills are like then you'll know how they really are.

Again, the same tends to be true of any class while focus fired. Whether or not you're dead after using a combo or certain skills makes no difference in that situation, because any other class will also more than likely die to a group if it's alone. 1v1 a Seeker will be able to tank out just about anything that's thrown at it so long as they're not stupid. In group PvP, where the Seeker's not the only one there and has support they aren't going to be the only one focus fired and will have adequate chances to pull off their combos and survive.