Archer's which class do you struggle with the most?

bolocactu wrote: »

y dont u shut up and bacome a bm

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

with the new best tome, I don't think stats are so rigid that you can't use whatever weapon you want to. From a lore standpoint, Archers should be able to use daggers, as in china old time kung fu flicks you will see often bow people use daggers....

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

^pretty much this

I'm defending claw build in a pvp thread because a certain someone is rampaging around dismissing claws in general, which is **** because claws have serious uses in pve.

Not to take this away from a pvp discussion, of course.

As for my build not using r9 belt, whatever, it was to demo how low I can push STR and go nice and pure dex for pvp and still have the option of clawing in pve. The warsong belt was in the list before R9 belt

Didn't engrave rings on bow build because the whole point of engraves was to get the last bit of str to wear claws. Bow build could have been engraved for whatever; doesn't really matter since I'm not doing dmg comp.

A little story: Yesterday on a 3-1 run with a bunch of 9X and one Adversity sin + another pixie piercer 100 sin, and a G16 claw BM with only a few pieces of nirvy gear we all got ****ed by steelation when he aoe stunned and buffed. Cleric dead, pots on CD, just sparked with my bow and had no chi to spark heal. I die, r9 sin dies, squad resses.
second run, aoe mana drain kills heals pretty fast. Squad wipes, me and the r9 sin alive. I was at 250 chi. still using a bow, moments from dying on next aoe. Luckily Master Li was off CD and I got off a trip spark, which bought me enough time to pot and for the r9 sin to get through the last of boss's hp.

If I was fisting? I'd constantly have trip spark to survive with.


EDIT: On topic: hate sins because even though I 3-4 shot them with metal crits I can't do it if I can't see them. Annoying. Costs me about 30K to see them once? Eww. Being level 93 doesn't help me see them faster

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Fists really are only good if you have poor bow/G16 claws/fists. In PvE, the tiger event, some archers used their +10-12 deicides on bosses instead of their R9 bows. In fact the ones using bows scored higher on bosses and so it should be noted that only highly refined G16 claws/fists are worth using if you have R9+ bow. Few do math regarding it as chi management is difficult to account for. And that`s for PvE. Clawrcher is pretty idiotic all the time in PvP, honestly, why would you ever give over one of your only advantage, which is range?

I really wonder the strategy of fisting against archers, I question how the heck you are planning on getting close and locking archer for fisting. I tell you, with jumps and R9+ gear tier defenses, its damn hard to pull off on a sin that has a "bit more" ways to keep target in one place compared to archer trying to fist.

A sin on other hand? If you have any clue how sins are built or were, people are changing slowly and your average farming sins will never change. They have ridiculously low M.res, even lower than HAs due lower tier gear and orns. Lets take out our fists and aps on class that has most CC and is specialized in 1 vs 1 PvP. Lets not forget higher base dmg on wep, higher dmg multiplier(dex instead of str), higher crit, higher evasion & accuracy(less points in str) as long as we are talking bout clawrchers and not pure dex archers which dont use claws/fists. Unless you outgear the sin ridiculously, you are only giving the sin a free kill. But I suppose using magic attacks, which deal full dmg on close range, on a class that has worst m.res in game is terrible strategy.

I also dont understand multiple weapon plan on archer, its just silly to waste coins on multiple weapons instead of going for best you can realistically get. Only case where I could see point in using 2 bows is G16 and purge bow and even still Id question the use of purge bow most of the time. Due massive dmg difference it feels only worthwhile to use purge bow on PvE.


"I get str I need for claws/fists from orns" - Durr. If you used the same ornaments, which dont have other than level requirement, you could restat extra str into dex.

"engraved the mold rings to have enough STR to push STR to 150 to hit a claw dmg multiplier" is a perfect example where you show you have no clue how stat point multipliers work. Also raises question how reliable your other information is. Yes, 150 = 100% dmg multiplier and 300 = 200% but there is also 75 = 50% multiplier and so on. Every single point matters for stat point multiplier.

Everytime I hear talk bout using fist on archer on PvP, I remember the occasion in TW where I was pulling cata, mostly as distraction against stronger faction. This archer decided her bow wasnt dealing enough dmg and took her fists out, demon sparked in front of me only to instakill herself on bramble. We got our ***** handed in that TW but I couldnt stop laughing even after the TW ended as there was also fair share of sins killing themselves on bramble, in ~20min TW. And I am talking bout veno bramble, not the unexpected demon roar proc b:surrender.

Ps. I too have fists on my archer but they are some lowbie npc fists I use for gathering chi.

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Bit late I suppose but I am really starting to understand why you value fists so highly. Your example though, I cant understand how you could die on 3-1 Steelation with a cleric and R999 sin. Seriously, how bad can you be? Really, any sin who can afford R999 daggers should be able to solo the boss unless they are quite plainly just bad sins. With a cleric there and G16 claw BM too, I just dont understand how the squad could of wiped assuming it wasnt the fault of players.

You must have plain terrible refines/shards on armor, I can easily pot/charm tank at range on sin whenever Steelation aps buffs himself and yes, I solo it, granted I go with buffs. My guess is you had under 7k hp and/or didnt pot at all and forgot bout genie as Steelation really deals fairly low damage at range. Had you been apsing at close range, Steelation would of killed you a lot faster.

Only difficult part in that boss is not getting killed by aps buff and as it wont affect range dmg, I would consider bow far superior in being safe DD weapon as tank will only die on aps buff = You want to be on range. Of course no cleric and BP heals affect where you want to be as I think Steelation had some AoE, not that I can be sure, I dont have a toon there with me which would show AoEs <.<.

Ps. Also, spark is 3s godmode and 15s buffed stats, not 12s like you seem to think in your post after this one. Easy to test with IG, spark -> IG as fast as you can --> IG ends before spark buffs --> Spark > 12s. It doesnt prove the spark lasts 15s but it would suggests it as its the only other way to interpret description.

Horosho - Lost City wrote: »

Not really o_o