Archer's which class do you struggle with the most?

Lolegi - Sanctuary

Which class do you struggle with the most? you may leave a comment or answer the pollb:thanks.

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

seeker
theres no poll

Lolegi - Sanctuary

poll's up

Xainou - Sanctuary

Barbs for me.

I'm "only" G16, and a well geared barb in TW just makes me STA him and move on. b:surrender

Iyania - Heavens Tear

The credit cards. I can't outdps their HP!!!

bolocactu

Seekers are op

XxRagzxx - Sanctuary

Seekers if they have buffs on, once they are purged, they drop so easy. Other than that just barbs.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The credit cards. I can't outdps their HP!!!

Which one? b:chuckle

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

Seekers and barbs are annoying. Seeks for their effin immobilises, def. lvls and almost barbish HP. Barbs for just having so much HP that can't be hit enough to kill them before charm ticks.

Archers are rather easy for archer that has fists, sins can be kited or fisted to death(depending on preference and how much sins hits). BMs don't have HP to take mag. hits and casters...it's obvious.

bolocactu

even though seekers are op all i have to do is spark then deadly shot anyone my lvl or 10 lvls above me i am truely opb:victory

Horosho - Lost City

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Seekers and barbs are annoying. Seeks for their effin immobilises, def. lvls and almost barbish HP. Barbs for just having so much HP that can't be hit enough to kill them before charm ticks.

Archers are rather easy for archer that has fists, sins can be kited or fisted to death(depending on preference and how much sins hits). BMs don't have HP to take mag. hits and casters...it's obvious.

Actually a bm can tank alot x_x

bolocactu

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Seekers and barbs are annoying. Seeks for their effin immobilises, def. lvls and almost barbish HP. Barbs for just having so much HP that can't be hit enough to kill them before charm ticks.

Archers are rather easy for archer that has fists, sins can be kited or fisted to death(depending on preference and how much sins hits). BMs don't have HP to take mag. hits and casters...it's obvious.

if u wanna use fist be a bm not an archerb:angry

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

bolocactu wrote: »

if u wanna use fist be a bm not an archerb:angry

*was already waiting for that comment* Archer has some advantages of having fists and a variety of bows, like about sinful DPS at bosses by fisting them at the speed of 2,86 APS(max. for any class before Deicides) and being able to deal massive dmg with good crossbow by using skills.
IJS My archer has 4 different ranged weapons and Gorenox Vanities as fists, getting all the str needed for fists from ornaments. And able to use good helmets btw.
I'm not fisting in every occasion, it's just useful in certain situations. And being used to switch between HA and AA as HA-veno it's easy to swap to weapon best to situation. I'm using APS-slingshot for some casters and other archers, max. dmg crossbow for skills, dreamchaser bow for aggro control, TT80 Xbow for occasional stuns and fists for some things). And suitable ammo ofc.

bolocactu

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

*was already waiting for that comment* Archer has some advantages of having fists and a variety of bows, like about sinful DPS at bosses by fisting them at the speed of 2,86 APS(max. for any class before Deicides) and being able to deal massive dmg with good crossbow by using skills.
IJS My archer has 4 different ranged weapons and Gorenox Vanities as fists, getting all the str needed for fists from ornaments. And able to use good helmets btw.
I'm not fisting in every occasion, it's just useful in certain situations. And being used to switch between HA and AA as HA-veno it's easy to swap to weapon best to situation. I'm using APS-slingshot for some casters and other archers, max. dmg crossbow for skills, dreamchaser bow for aggro control, TT80 Xbow for occasional stuns and fists for some things). And suitable ammo ofc.

i fing hate fist archers and ur a fail archer u have way more str than u need and that messes up ur bow damage i think all fist archers should uninstall this game or be a bm

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

bolocactu wrote: »

i fing hate fist archers and ur a fail archer u have way more str than u need and that messes up ur bow damage i think all fist archers should uninstall this game or be a bm

I thought I've seen the pinnacle of retardation a while back; I was wrong, then. Here's

Hey look it's got even less base STR than the recommended pure dex build

And of course it'll be way too much work to click on all the refines to prove a point to some random idiot.

Same build, "pure dex." Just engrave only 1 str to push yourself to 104 for Nirvy T3 as opposed to R9. On the claw build with no R9 you'd go for tt99 boots/bracers + T2 pants, and have 5aps base

engraved the mold rings to have enough STR to push STR to 150 to hit a claw dmg multiplier

I'm sage with Sage Bow Mastery and my +3 GVs out DD my +5 Broad Land when triple sparked, 2.22 aps, btw. 94 base STR. And of course on a boss I can almost always triple spark with my BM's HF. Hold aggro over a deicide +7 BM (who was trip spark-CE-HFing)

bolocactu

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I thought I've seen the pinnacle of retardation a while back; I was wrong, then. Here's

Hey look it's got even less base STR than the recommended pure dex build

And of course it'll be way too much work to click on all the refines to prove a point to some random idiot.

Same build, "pure dex." Just engrave only 1 str to push yourself to 104 for Nirvy T3 as opposed to R9. On the claw build with no R9 you'd go for tt99 boots/bracers + T2 pants, and have 5aps base

engraved the mold rings to have enough STR to push STR to 150 to hit a claw dmg multiplier

ur just a bm wannabe b:angry

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

I can do what a BM can do aps-DDwise and more. Problem?

EDIT: look at original post. More educational information for you

bolocactu

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I can do what a BM can do aps-DDwise and more. Problem?

EDIT: look at original post. More educational information for you

yeah i have a problem archers are meant to use bows not fist b:angry

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

bolocactu wrote: »

yeah i have a problem archers are meant to use bows not fist b:angry

Everything was meant to adapt to everything elseb:thanks

WnbTank - Archosaur

Fists really are only good if you have poor bow/G16 claws/fists. In PvE, the tiger event, some archers used their +10-12 deicides on bosses instead of their R9 bows. In fact the ones using bows scored higher on bosses and so it should be noted that only highly refined G16 claws/fists are worth using if you have R9+ bow. Few do math regarding it as chi management is difficult to account for. And that`s for PvE. Clawrcher is pretty idiotic all the time in PvP, honestly, why would you ever give over one of your only advantage, which is range?

I really wonder the strategy of fisting against archers, I question how the heck you are planning on getting close and locking archer for fisting. I tell you, with jumps and R9+ gear tier defenses, its damn hard to pull off on a sin that has a "bit more" ways to keep target in one place compared to archer trying to fist.

A sin on other hand? If you have any clue how sins are built or were, people are changing slowly and your average farming sins will never change. They have ridiculously low M.res, even lower than HAs due lower tier gear and orns. Lets take out our fists and aps on class that has most CC and is specialized in 1 vs 1 PvP. Lets not forget higher base dmg on wep, higher dmg multiplier(dex instead of str), higher crit, higher evasion & accuracy(less points in str) as long as we are talking bout clawrchers and not pure dex archers which dont use claws/fists. Unless you outgear the sin ridiculously, you are only giving the sin a free kill. But I suppose using magic attacks, which deal full dmg on close range, on a class that has worst m.res in game is terrible strategy.

I also dont understand multiple weapon plan on archer, its just silly to waste coins on multiple weapons instead of going for best you can realistically get. Only case where I could see point in using 2 bows is G16 and purge bow and even still Id question the use of purge bow most of the time. Due massive dmg difference it feels only worthwhile to use purge bow on PvE.


"I get str I need for claws/fists from orns" - Durr. If you used the same ornaments, which dont have other than level requirement, you could restat extra str into dex.

"engraved the mold rings to have enough STR to push STR to 150 to hit a claw dmg multiplier" is a perfect example where you show you have no clue how stat point multipliers work. Also raises question how reliable your other information is. Yes, 150 = 100% dmg multiplier and 300 = 200% but there is also 75 = 50% multiplier and so on. Every single point matters for stat point multiplier.

Everytime I hear talk bout using fist on archer on PvP, I remember the occasion in TW where I was pulling cata, mostly as distraction against stronger faction. This archer decided her bow wasnt dealing enough dmg and took her fists out, demon sparked in front of me only to instakill herself on bramble. We got our ***** handed in that TW but I couldnt stop laughing even after the TW ended as there was also fair share of sins killing themselves on bramble, in ~20min TW. And I am talking bout veno bramble, not the unexpected demon roar proc b:surrender.

Ps. I too have fists on my archer but they are some lowbie npc fists I use for gathering chi.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

whoever said fists in pvp...lol

If I could trip spark with bows I'd do it all day; if squad has OP DDs I trip spark with a bow because I know I won't need more than 1 trip spark

and the 150 breakpoint is literally 2 STR away; why wouldn't you hit it anyways?

>Killing myself on bramble

Bramble hood isn't exactly spammable. Already said I don't fist in pvp

>durr you'd get more dex if you used the same orns

excuse me the bow build had exactly 105 STR with all gears on if you go G15 helm + cape instead and put a str or 2 onto one of your rings

http://pwcalc.com/4232ccf32d2af5a3

and if you get Love/Emp/Dominance of course you can stat down the 4 str to dex, more if you get OP tomes

please enlighten me as to which endgame orn has +dex

EDIT:

lol comparing lunar weapon dps with r9

celestial tigers is a turkey shoot. Not having to move your *** helps a lot

EDIT:

For rich people with the +25 per stat OP NW tome

http://pwcalc.com/93bc772675bb2706

in bow form

http://pwcalc.com/a245ce41d0d3ccea

asuuming an average roll for G16 cape (p. much the same str gain as lunar interval cape, depending on G16 roll)

holy cow engrave the neck for dex if you want more dex

edit: fixed engraving

WnbTank - Archosaur

What I dont understand is why are you defending claw builds on PvP thread? Claws have imo no other use in PvP than building chi on totem/guard/etc. You havent said otherwise so the whole point of this evades me.

There are so many things wrong in those comparisons though, aps gear has rings engraved, bow doesnt. Bow build doesnt even have R9 belt but some warsong belt, seriously? Who cares bout most OP belt in game for LA, discounting recasts, when it would also give 20 attack levels for set bonus?

And actually, when comparing to R9, deicides is pretty much the right weapon for claws. I dont know bout other servers but out of all R9 archers, whom had also claws/fists, I cant think of a single one that had upgraded to N2. On other hand Ive seen surprisingly many +12 deicides. If we want to compare to N3 fists/claws, we should also use R999 set as it really should be the new standard for those who get R9.

And as it clearly evaded you, I was talking bout R9 bow vs 5 aps deicides on same refine on stationary boss aka after mobs. Several archers had used their deicides on bosses after doing mobs on bow but using only bow landed distinctly higher score. Still I would find those points completely or mostly irrelevant for this topic.

opkossy

Claws in PvP are handy for getting chi off of idiots if you feel like it (IE: Nub sin pops up by you and you aren't endgame geared, you just hit them with fists unsparked and they're likely to die before you somehow).

That and for trolling.

Otherwise it's a PvE thing for the most part and should stay there.

G_tar_God - Dreamweaver

I use to be a fist/claw archer.
Used GV fists for awhile for the lower str req, with r9 1st cast gear still managed to hav over 500 dex. Went G16 claw build for a short time thinking I was gonna get the tome upgrades, but went with r9 3rd cast and by then, switchin chest pieces really sucked so I went pure dex.

PVE wise it was pretty good, was actually the lazy option as u would trip spark on a boss and have ur sparks bak when the boss was dead instead of trip sparking with a bow then havin only maybe 1 spark bak. Btw, I was cheap so didnt wanna tick my mana charm by using awaken or cloud eruption from my genie xD
Yea with a trip spark and r9 bow the dmg would be more, but gettin aggro then havin the boss close range kinda screws ya there.

PvP wise, fists/claws are useless....unless u demon spark(dont think bein sage would work unless u use a genie for the aps increase). Demon sparked, my +8 GV fists have killed full r9 barbs who have had full vit stones +10 refines. Ofc for that to work, ppl have to be stupid enough to try tank it or mayb an aim low/occult combo helps.
But with everyone gettin r9 3rd cast, claw/fist archers have kinda lost that little advantage they had.

Lol bak to original topic, yea seekers and barbs are a ****. Can get lucky on seekers with purgin, sometimes a trip spark. With barbs, too much HP/def is a problem, but even with full r9 3rd cast +10(crappy shards) I find myself being too squishy to tank a full r9 3rd cast barbs hit.
Also might need to throw in a full JOSD +12 psy, unless ur gears equal, I find I need alot of crits and maybe a purge to get em dead. But again the problem with psys is more to do with tanking their dmg for long enough to use will surge a 2nd time xD

bolocactu

OPKossy wrote: »

Claws in PvP are handy for getting chi off of idiots if you feel like it (IE: Nub sin pops up by you and you aren't endgame geared, you just hit them with fists unsparked and they're likely to die before you somehow).

That and for trolling.

Otherwise it's a PvE thing for the most part and should stay there.

why can they just become bms then if they want to use claws or a sin if they want 5 apsb:victory

opkossy

bolocactu wrote: »

why can they just become bms then if they want to use claws or a sin if they want 5 apsb:victory

Or maybe the like being archers and have no problem with extra versatility at a negligible cost?

Colum - Raging Tide

b:chuckle It's hilarious though when fisting archers try to kill my sin and get stunlocked.

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Fists really are only good if you have poor bow/G16 claws/fists. In PvE, the tiger event, some archers used their +10-12 deicides on bosses instead of their R9 bows. In fact the ones using bows scored higher on bosses and so it should be noted that only highly refined G16 claws/fists are worth using if you have R9+ bow. Few do math regarding it as chi management is difficult to account for. And that`s for PvE. Clawrcher is pretty idiotic all the time in PvP, honestly, why would you ever give over one of your only advantage, which is range?

I really wonder the strategy of fisting against archers, I question how the heck you are planning on getting close and locking archer for fisting. I tell you, with jumps and R9+ gear tier defenses, its damn hard to pull off on a sin that has a "bit more" ways to keep target in one place compared to archer trying to fist.

A sin on other hand? If you have any clue how sins are built or were, people are changing slowly and your average farming sins will never change. They have ridiculously low M.res, even lower than HAs due lower tier gear and orns. Lets take out our fists and aps on class that has most CC and is specialized in 1 vs 1 PvP. Lets not forget higher base dmg on wep, higher dmg multiplier(dex instead of str), higher crit, higher evasion & accuracy(less points in str) as long as we are talking bout clawrchers and not pure dex archers which dont use claws/fists. Unless you outgear the sin ridiculously, you are only giving the sin a free kill. But I suppose using magic attacks, which deal full dmg on close range, on a class that has worst m.res in game is terrible strategy.

I also dont understand multiple weapon plan on archer, its just silly to waste coins on multiple weapons instead of going for best you can realistically get. Only case where I could see point in using 2 bows is G16 and purge bow and even still Id question the use of purge bow most of the time. Due massive dmg difference it feels only worthwhile to use purge bow on PvE.


"I get str I need for claws/fists from orns" - Durr. If you used the same ornaments, which dont have other than level requirement, you could restat extra str into dex.

"engraved the mold rings to have enough STR to push STR to 150 to hit a claw dmg multiplier" is a perfect example where you show you have no clue how stat point multipliers work. Also raises question how reliable your other information is. Yes, 150 = 100% dmg multiplier and 300 = 200% but there is also 75 = 50% multiplier and so on. Every single point matters for stat point multiplier.

Everytime I hear talk bout using fist on archer on PvP, I remember the occasion in TW where I was pulling cata, mostly as distraction against stronger faction. This archer decided her bow wasnt dealing enough dmg and took her fists out, demon sparked in front of me only to instakill herself on bramble. We got our ***** handed in that TW but I couldnt stop laughing even after the TW ended as there was also fair share of sins killing themselves on bramble, in ~20min TW. And I am talking bout veno bramble, not the unexpected demon roar proc b:surrender.

Ps. I too have fists on my archer but they are some lowbie npc fists I use for gathering chi.

Pretty much agree with this post.

opkossy

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

b:chuckle It's hilarious though when fisting archers try to kill my sin and get stunlocked.

I find it just as hilarious when anything tries to punch/stab me and gets 1-shot or 2-shot with a metal skill as a result. b:laugh

Decus - Dreamweaver

I feel dumb that I picked barb, when so many others picked seeker

opkossy

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I feel dumb that I picked barb, when so many others picked seeker

It's understandable that you just find barbs in tiger form so cute you keep trying to pet them instead of killing them.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

OPKossy wrote: »

Or maybe the like being archers and have no problem with extra versatility at a negligible cost?

^pretty much this

I'm defending claw build in a pvp thread because a certain someone is rampaging around dismissing claws in general, which is **** because claws have serious uses in pve.

Not to take this away from a pvp discussion, of course.

As for my build not using r9 belt, whatever, it was to demo how low I can push STR and go nice and pure dex for pvp and still have the option of clawing in pve. The warsong belt was in the list before R9 belt

Didn't engrave rings on bow build because the whole point of engraves was to get the last bit of str to wear claws. Bow build could have been engraved for whatever; doesn't really matter since I'm not doing dmg comp.

A little story: Yesterday on a 3-1 run with a bunch of 9X and one Adversity sin + another pixie piercer 100 sin, and a G16 claw BM with only a few pieces of nirvy gear we all got ****ed by steelation when he aoe stunned and buffed. Cleric dead, pots on CD, just sparked with my bow and had no chi to spark heal. I die, r9 sin dies, squad resses.
second run, aoe mana drain kills heals pretty fast. Squad wipes, me and the r9 sin alive. I was at 250 chi. still using a bow, moments from dying on next aoe. Luckily Master Li was off CD and I got off a trip spark, which bought me enough time to pot and for the r9 sin to get through the last of boss's hp.

If I was fisting? I'd constantly have trip spark to survive with.


EDIT: On topic: hate sins because even though I 3-4 shot them with metal crits I can't do it if I can't see them. Annoying. Costs me about 30K to see them once? Eww. Being level 93 doesn't help me see them faster