Pole Bm

X_Yoruichi_x - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Beccause there is no answer. No path is better than another.

Let me put it to you differently, servers are in maint, and the trolls are out.

Once upon a time we had a unicycle, we got a bicycle after that, we got a tricycle, we got a quadcycle. People call it a car. People started putting on more wheel and the wheel number goes up to 18~40?

Is any one of those vehicles best for everything? Wait, don't answer yet. Think about it, there is one right answer, the answer is yes.

It's a bicycle. You can cross any terrain in a bicycle, far more efficiently than any other vehicle. That is why a pole bm is wrong b:pleased.

Make sense?

Forgot, +1 post count, btw mods, please don't close this thread, we want to see where this goes. It might be a well reasoned point that the OP is trying for.

*taps monitor glass* Yulk, is that you in there?

X_Yoruichi_x - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yet you still can't answer my question.

I thought Zanryu did a pretty good job answering your question.

Axes have a higher base damage than poles, which means when using your skills they naturally will do more damage. As you get more and more strength, the base damage of axes matters more and more, meaning endgame axes and pole damage only gets farther apart.

Other than Glacial Spike both pole aoes are linear, which means you'll spend more time positioning mobs or position yourself and less time dding. Sure, with practice you can position mobs almost immediately, but they don't stay linear when working with a squad. Axe aoes are radius based and simpler to setup and more effective in a squad when the mobs spread out based on who has aggro, were they knocked back, how they were pulled.... Not to mention the mobs that just don't follow you in a straight line.

Piercing Winds requires a spark and has a 15 second cd, Meteor Rush has a 6 second cd, so now you have to resort to Drake Sweep and Fan of Flames which are two weaker hitting aoes and don't even fill your cds. With axes you can constant aoe, you can use stronger aoes, and you don't need chi.

Drake Bash, 7.5 second stun. HF, 9 seconds of double damage for the entire squad. Both absolutely beastly skills. Showless Kick used to be an absolute must for BMs to master interupting, but nowadays its sadly neglected although the good ones still use it. Cyclone Heel, a hard hitting aoe and great for 1v1 dps. MSS, life saver and prevents many squad wipes as well as the hardest hitting skill a BM has. Bolt of Tyreseus, awesome pvp control skill in a pinch. You say a BM that uses 2 linear aoes, a ranged poke, and a 50% debuff aoe requires more skill to play but its really sad if a BM has access to these skills and neglects them.

R9 weapons and GoF. Perma Spark.

I have a reason that if you do even bother to read the multiple reasons Zanryu and I posted on why all path is better you still will complain that no one gave you a reason.

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

What about my reason b:cry, it was totally legit.

This is PWI, nobody buys cars.. they buy R9!

soundslegit wrote: »

I think the point is your either aoeing or single targeting and either way pole is not the best option. But they look cool to me and if I played BM I would do that rather than look like a wannabe barb or a human lobster.

Nobody said you couldn't use the pole, or just wear it around town. Poleblades look pretty awesome if you get a good one, not to mention you look like a pimp when you walk around with it, just lettin' it rest on your shoulder like a BAMF. Man... wish I had an R8r pole. Musta been high or something when I chose fists. I want a do-over! I don't even remember getting fists! C'MON! b:cry

X_Yoruichi_x - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why does everyone hate pure pole bms? Is it because we require more skill to play, than your typical axe/fist bm (that possibly uses a polearm, just for debuffs)? Or that we can survive alot more, without having to spend an extreme ammount of money for high refines? People always tell me axe/fist is so much better, and can name several pros...but they still can't tell me why pole bm sucks so much; so I was hoping someone here might be able to.

Well , the thing is....we sort of ARE BLADE- MASTERS.

To be true masters we , as a group, need to not only be able to use them, that anyone can do

But our goal is to excel in this endeavor.

For that we must MASTER every weapon path.

EVERY WEAPON PATH.

We are not just some random guy out there with a sword, axe, pole or fist.

After all there is a in-game reason for all Blademasters KNOWING how to USE every weapon.

Why do you think that not everybody in PW knows that? Because reasons, that's why.

We are BLADE users (Yeah, one can use hands like a blade too, blademasters are THAT BADASS)

And i think that's it, mostly :P No one says that you shouldn't use poles, or whatevs. They only want you to embrace the full potential of the BLADE MASTER. One can say that specializing is good, but for a BLADE MASTER , it is like being crippled .

There is a reason for this to exist.

That's all :P

BTW Sylvae your post made me laugh, cuz it was very funny.b:laugh

Thanks for that b:chuckle

If BM were PIMPS, then one should struggle to get the category of TEH PIMPSLAYER

Should add one more skills :P

Flip the *Bleep* out: The players flips the *bleep* out, BM loses control of all weapons and goes berserk. ATTCK increase of 50 levels, Defense reduction of 30 levels.

*bleep* flying off the handle: The BM , in his searchs for MAD SNACKS YO, go and does a UNCANNYBRUTAL wheelie. *bleep* then flyes off the handle. 50% chance of succes. If Succesful, You get Additional Doritos, plus 20 ATTCK levels. If not Then the *bleep* seeks Marital counseling with the handle, this means +20 Defense levels.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Guys, read this carefully. This scrub has already made up their minds.

Yoruichi, you won't find validation for your poor choices here. Try your friends and family who will tell you you're a pretty pretty snowflake, are the pwnzors of skillz, and never do anything wrong.

But...but...being a pwnzor rulz b:sad

Lolol XD

But really poles do look awsum
b:dirty

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Forget 4 path BM, now it's going to be all about the 5 path BM. With the upcoming expansion, they plan to release a 5th weapon for BMs to use. Here's a preview of some of the skills.

Pimp Cane Mastery: Increase gold gained from a mob kill by 5...50%.

Collection: Knock down nearest Tideborn Assassin and collect 100....1000 coins from them. They will spend the rest of the instance with a black eye. Useable once per Tideborn per PWI solar cycle.

Demon: Gain 10 reputation per use.

Sage: Remove 10 reputation on target per use.

Can just see the WC now: Looking for 5.0 sin run. For what? For any instance that gets you alone with me.

Strut: Lose 10...20% movement speed. While active mobs will not aggro; instead they will just turn and stare as you walk by. Causes stun effect for 0...2 seconds.

Demon: Overrides normal music to play "Everyday I'm hustling" to all players within 30 meters.

Sage: Plays elevator music.

******* come here: Summons 0...2 scantily clad women to attack target player. The longer they are active, the more they will increase status debuffs on target. Target loses 100 coins per second.

Demon: The women will cause damage to the target as they search for money to buy "rocks".

Sage: Target feels bad for the women, and increases coin loss to 500 per second to "redeem" them.

Errday.

Superfeng - Lost City wrote: »

This person has been playing since July 2011 or before?
Who is this noob?

Thats the date they joined the PWI forums (first post). Their actual join date is Jan 2009. Which makes it even more surpising that they think only using 1 weapon, and the 3rd least useful weapon class at that, is pro.

I smell a troll.

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Way too awesome b:victory

You actually made me search for these skills, i thought you were serious b:cry.

X_Yoruichi_x - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why does everyone hate pure pole bms? Is it because we require more skill to play, than your typical axe/fist bm (that possibly uses a polearm, just for debuffs)? Or that we can survive alot more, without having to spend an extreme ammount of money for high refines? People always tell me axe/fist is so much better, and can name several pros...but they still can't tell me why pole bm sucks so much; so I was hoping someone here might be able to.

i have never know any 1 BM to go pure with any 1 weapon never

never meet one

never seen one

doubt any bm would

to fully use a bm u need to use all the weapon paths. depending on the squad u have.

aoeing, saving a cleric from a phy mob, taking out mage mobs to help barb serve better, or just simply doing as much damage as u can just too say u died 1st b:laugh

every weapon has its pros and none have cons b/c yr not holding to one weapon. what one weapon lacks another picks up

now the require more skill to use one weapon? really cant beleave that was said. i dont know about any1 else but i think its more skillful. to be able to use all 4 weapons and use every skill a bm has at the right time not just pole skills

so the reason poles suck sooooo much is yr pure pole. the reason y bm was my 1st class IS i liked the idea of useing multi weapons it seems to be a chellage why happer yr toon when he/she can be much much more

i could keep doing this but im not going to b:laugh it just simple why play a class that can do so much ( thinking about it think bm has the most skills of anyother class) but not use all its skills yr missing of (off the top of my head)what about 15 skills? thats just a waste and sry but if u say u dont have HF is a easy y to get yrself kicked from a squad ijs

P.S. love yr post sylvae lmao

dragonfire3001 wrote: »

i have never know any 1 BM to go pure with any 1 weapon never

never meet one

never seen one

doubt any bm would

to fully use a bm u need to use all the weapon paths. depending on the squad u have.

aoeing, saving a cleric from a phy mob, taking out mage mobs to help barb serve better, or just simply doing as much damage as u can just too say u died 1st b:laugh

every weapon has its pros and none have cons b/c yr not holding to one weapon. what one weapon lacks another picks up

now the require more skill to use one weapon? really cant beleave that was said. i dont know about any1 else but i think its more skillful. to be able to use all 4 weapons and use every skill a bm has at the right time not just pole skills

so the reason poles suck sooooo much is yr pure pole. the reason y bm was my 1st class IS i liked the idea of useing multi weapons it seems to be a chellage why happer yr toon when he/she can be much much more

i could keep doing this but im not going to b:laugh it just simple why play a class that can do so much ( thinking about it think bm has the most skills of anyother class) but not use all its skills yr missing of (off the top of my head)what about 15 skills? thats just a waste and sry but if u say u dont have HF is a easy y to get yrself kicked from a squad ijs

P.S. love yr post sylvae lmao

Then you have never seen a pure vit axe bm for pvp.

OPKossy wrote: »

Well it's either a troll, someone who quit a long time ago and came back recently while still being clueless, a bought account, or a not... very... smart... person.


But Sylvae's post is too awesome for me to lock the thread as long as it doesn't get necro'd or turn into some sort of super spam **** or something equally stupid. b:cute

W0w I see to be a m0d these days they d0n't require y0u t0 be pr0fessi0nal in y0ur resp0nses 0.0.

Therkiax - Archosaur wrote: »

Then you have never seen a pure vit axe bm for pvp.

How much hp do you gain over non vit bm? could you post your build? just curious about pure vit vs pure str bm for tw purposes.

Therkiax - Archosaur wrote: »

Then you have never seen a pure vit axe bm for pvp.

thats great still dont see y u would use 1 weapon u want pure vit be a barb ijs