Too many locked threads recently

Maelael - Heavens Tear · January 2013

FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah but too much power in the hands of the moderators may be a problem.

For example if a moderator merely disagrees with a view point and doesn't like to argue with said players it restricts the community.

If that was the case, I'd imagine fuzzy would have been banned on his mod account. Really, mods should not be posting opinions on the game on their mod account as a general rule, let alone any flaming. It always gets mistook by someone as official, even if you have a giant red warning sign explaining it's just an opinion and not official. TL:DR and ADD takes it's toll.

Compared to other boards over my...sigh, 12+ years of MMO'ing, the mods here don't have enough power. The mods need to be able to give 3 days forum bans to people who are throwing fits and not cooperating after they have asked them nicely to. Prolly permas after 3rd offense in a year too.

Try some PMs to find out how to make your post without breaking rules or irking the mods - it's not hard. Forum QQ, especially passive aggressiveness, just makes you look like an idiot.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · January 2013

As far as I remember, the mods (new ones and old ones) always said that if someone judge a thread get close unfairly they can pm the concerned mod about it, but I guess people prefer start a thread on it beside pm the mod. I saw a mod reopen a closed thread, but the OP probably pmed the mod beside start a new thread complaining about it.

I think our mods are really accessible and will answer any pm they get about a specific thread, they are also humans and I'm sure if they get a pm with valid arguments they will act as they should.

Milley - Heavens Tear · January 2013

Don't you people have a hobby or something? If you think posting on this forum with "fun threads" is cool sounds way too lame.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2013

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I have personally edited lock thread posts, unlocked threads, and moved to them other sub-forums through the pm. It's totally unfair to assume that a pm wouldn't do anything. In my case I know that just isn't true. In addition I make it a point to be prompt with my responses and check my pm everyday that I can. There is a bias result of observation on your end too, whereas things not being resolved fairly in your opinion will stick out more than when things are going well despite what actually happens the majority of the time. That doesn't make the pm thing true though. Mods not responding to pms is a self fulfilling prophecy when you don't ever actually send the pm in the first place. We can't respond to things you don't send. That does not mean we wouldn't have if you had though. And sometimes the proper response IS to tell you that the decision won't be reversed and explain a bit more about why. Sometimes we may have made a mistake and will reverse the decision. I know that I have done so on more than one occassion.

I personally have not had such an experience yet >_> but if you were reading carefully what i wrote, and not heatedly jump in to defend your stance, you would notice that the post you replied to was me just trying to explain to kossy what some other poster possibly meant.

Your post here pretty much makes an example of what i highlighted in your own, as i think your own bias has blinded you to thinking i was aiming it at specific pple. What i explained is a result of a general study done, so if you have a problem with that i cant help you there, its just a general case study, not me >_>; There is another bias here i noticed, in which i made the thread respectfully, more as a constructive criticism, yet the mods only jump to post in their own defense and leave alone sarcastic, and some disrespectful pro-mod posts that are aimed at those that agree. The two above me would be a perfect example of those that cant seem to tell what is a trololo complaint post and one that is not.

My guess is that Xx_BeLLa_xX up there has not even read this mods post when she went all sarcastic and said "but I guess people prefer start a thread on it beside pm the mod. "

ViciousMinx wrote: »

That's cause we are just watching to see where you all are going with this. We honestly appreciate this type of feedback from you.

So_Wet - Sanctuary · January 2013

i think the mods are doing a great job, keep at it! i hate the necro rule on some threads that are still ongoing, necro rule is just like a troll button if ur like 2 days late oops *necro rule* instant closed

ovenusarmanio · January 2013

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

I personally have not had such an experience yet >_> but if you were reading carefully what i wrote, and not heatedly jump in to defend your stance, you would notice that the post you replied to was me just trying to explain to kossy what some other poster possibly meant.

Your post here pretty much makes an example of what i highlighted in your own, as i think your own bias has blinded you to thinking i was aiming it at specific pple. What i explained is a result of a general study done, so if you have a problem with that i cant help you there, its just a general case study, not me >_>; There is another bias here i noticed, in which i made the thread respectfully, more as a constructive criticism, yet the mods only jump to post in their own defense and leave alone sarcastic, and some disrespectful pro-mod posts that are aimed at those that agree. The two above me would be a perfect example of those that cant seem to tell what is a trololo complaint post and one that is not.

My guess is that Xx_BeLLa_xX up there has not even read this mods post when she went all sarcastic and said "but I guess people prefer start a thread on it beside pm the mod. "

Even if it's a case study, to make it to use a generalization about how it would work here or backup someone else's point about how things work here isn't fair, is my point. It doesn't work that way here. So there is no point in even bringing it up because it doesn't hold true here, don't really care if works that way in general else where. All generalizations are false if you try to use them to determine the behavior of a individual person. And my post wasn't aimed at just you, I quoted you because you're the one that brought up the case study and I wanted to respond to that whole concept directly. As for the the ones that saying "great job mods!" responding to those would mostly be things like thank you because they aren't the ones posing questions or comments toward the mod team that require a response. As for Bella, she's probably responding to the whole idea that you cannot pm us. I'm not gonna say she's wrong, because she is absolutely right. The best way to get us to reopen a thread is to pm. It's against forum rules to make a thread about it and any thread opened about a specific thread will automatically be closed and taken to the PM system. As for some others, they don't find your complaint legitimate. I can't offer them solutions for that. I can offer solutions about what to do about things like the thread getting closed, which is the topic of the thread. Or provide a link that explains why the necro rule exists in the first place.

condo2009 wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1511041

I don't ever concider this a necro and never will when only 1-1/2 months old.

Please do not cite specific threads here. Specific moderator actions should be taken to the pm system. I'll make an exception here and point out this is why the necro rule exists. The necro is totally off-topic and a bit of a derailment from the original topic. In addition, there is a bit of trolling going on and political discussion that doesn't need to be revived. Nothing to make it close worthy the first time around, but nothing that needs to be revived either. The necro-er would have been better off making a new thread as the information is not relevant at all to the point he is trying to make. In addition, the mod in question told him the only solution to his problem that can be given at this time before closing it. This is one of the reasons the month or more rule exists. I didn't make the rule and don't have the power to change it, for what it's worth. But in general, I agree with it. It gives a clear cut rule for people to follow and think about when making a post on a topic where discussion has naturally died instead of making it something murkier like whether to not it's relevant. Which varies from person to person and would be impossible to always enforce equally and consistently. This takes it out of individual hands and makes it a general rule that everyone has to follow and that doesn't change based on the mod in question on beliefs about what is relevant and what is not.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong. Mods actually can take a post and create a new thread from it.

It's next to impossible though to always tell which thread belonged to which topic which is why thread merging is pretty rare except when the forums blow up. Nation Wars being a prime example. There about 10 or so different official catch-all threads for complaints about specific issues. Nation wars pvp, nation wars effect on the economy, nation wars strategies, nation wars token distribution, nation wars time zone problem, etc etc. In addition some of those threads were extremely long, there were over a thousand posts on the economic problem alone. It would have been completely unfair to the other issues if all of those posts were allowed to have their own thread. It wasn't about the legitimacy of the post, but that creating tons and tons and tons of new posts about the same topic hampers the ability of everyone else to talk about anything else. During that time we had people that wanted to talk about the DQ page not updating, the PK in SP, the DQ points being nerfed, the lack of server vs server battles, the TW time change, the increase in bots, etc and they couldn't find their topic because of all the nation wars spam that would have went on for 5-6 pages unless the threads were merged. It's just a necessity when you have that many people attempting to post about a specific topic. In general though, that's usually the only time threads are merged. And indeed I can't think of barely any thread that I have merged since then. We know merging can cause disjointed discussions so we usually only do it during periods where not doing it would cause other discussions to be lost entirely. Everyone in a while it will be done on a situational basis eg 3-5 topics made about the same thing within a few minutes of each other (eg uh-oh server crashed! which are merged so any gm response can be seen by everyone, and because the first page only holds so many topics) but in-general that is when it is done.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · January 2013

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

My guess is that Xx_BeLLa_xX up there has not even read this mods post when she went all sarcastic and said "but I guess people prefer start a thread on it beside pm the mod. "

It's not sarcastic.

If you feel my reply concerned only you, deal with it, but it wasn't, it was for everyone (and there's a lot) that did start a thread after get one close beside pm the concerned mod.

I'm almost sure that on all thread closed not more than 10 persons pmed the mods to discuss about it, but on a lot of closed threads the persons open a new thread trashing the mod that close it or just to spam.

As far as I know it's the only thing to do that is not against the forum rules for complain about a thread that is close. (or anything else that concern the forum mods decisions)

I'm highly surprise that thread isn't closed yet.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2013

chill venus.

you do realize your being more of your old uptight shove-your-opinion-poster than a mod atm right? Your the only one among them doing that.

This thread was made not as a complaint to be sent in private PMs but as an awareness to be talked about in a civil manner, not a mod posting an imposing block of text and shoving non mods down. It may not be your intention but thats how it looks.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm highly surprise that thread isn't closed yet.

Because the mods are a little smarter and know the diff. between a QQ thread and one thats made for a 'concern' to be discussed as a community. Just like any topic out there. The height of your surprise is the height of diff. between you and them. There are pple that actually care a little more than posting snippy little comments about closing someone elses thread.

Back to topic tho.
Aside from the pple that post like they had a bad day, Im hoping this thread can, with the help of some civil posters, get the mods aware of how and what the community is feeling, whether it be negative and positive it shines a light from another side. I made this thread not as a PM but in public because you never know how many pple can agree with one person. We all had times in life where someone said something and others are like "hey i thought so too but didnt say it. Now that you mention it, [insert experience]".

ovenusarmanio · January 2013

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

chill venus.

you do realize your being more of your old uptight shove-your-opinion-poster than a mod atm right? Your the only one among them doing that.

This thread was made not as a complaint to be sent in private PMs but as an awareness to be talked about in a civil manner, not a mod posting an imposing block of text and shoving non mods down. It may not be your intention but thats how it looks.

Because the mods are a little smarter and know the diff. between a QQ thread and one thats made for a 'concern'

Just trying to address concerns, it's not meant to insult anyone.

sithis010 · January 2013

i aint seent even 1 thread that i though shouldn be closed and i been lurkin for years. new mod team is best mods we ever had! finally make the trolls stop bicker like kid. u just butthurt u can't troll nemore I think. u cant even name one example! lololololololololololololol

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · January 2013

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Because the mods are a little smarter and know the diff. between a QQ thread and one thats made for a 'concern' to be discussed as a community. Just like any topic out there. The height of your surprise is the height of diff. between you and them. There are pple that actually care a little more than posting snippy little comments about closing someone elses thread.

It's not the fist time someone make a thread like that, but the others got close pretty much fast.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2013

sithis010 wrote: »

i aint seent even 1 thread that i though shouldn be closed and i been lurkin for years. new mod team is best mods we ever had! finally make the trolls stop bicker like kid. u just butthurt u can't troll nemore I think. u cant even name one example! lololololololololololololol

please keep it on topic b:sweat pro trolls dont need to stoop to your level to troll. This thread isnt meant to be for hate comments.

Wampirewoman - Harshlands · January 2013

b:chuckle My opinion : this is a forum that belongs to a game .... some QQ , some troll , some are serious and so on.
So many topics are closed since new mods took this position .... guys take a break some times .
After, i hate that mod that speaks of himself on 3rd person .... makes me close the thread instant .... there is nothing let's say "professional " about that since u follow so much the rules and u stick to them if u want to put it this way . Though speaking of rules so much .... i think mods must be mostly neutral on forums and just moderate the topics .... or maybe i'm wrong .
All in all .... without trying to be rude or to offend someone .... for me pwi forum are less attractive lately ... and from reading it few times a day i just visit it when the server i play on crashes during NW or when i friend tells me it's something interesting or that Asterelle posted something interesting .
Try not to defend yourselves too much... makes u look guilty . b:chuckle
b:bye

krisnda · January 2013

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

please keep it on topic b:sweat pro trolls dont need to stoop to your level to troll. This thread isnt meant to be for hate comments.

^ This.

I'd like to keep listening to this topic.

tweakz · January 2013

Kitkate - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The reasons they close threads has nothing to do with personal stuff. They are following the ToS and closing inappropriate threads. If you don't like it, that's too bad.

That's your personal opinion; not a fact. I've seen many closings for idiotic reasons like "*** sees this thread as going no where". No ToS violation given. Any good debates are closed rather than enforcement of ToS followed.

The problem is that most of the forum's population is trolls now, and the mods are trying to clean out the trolls.

For the past 5 years this forum has catered to trolls. They've allowed it to become hostile. This is the most heavily troll-fested, depraved of good information, poorly moderated forum I've come across. Even conspiracy theory whack-job forums aren't as bad.

So the forum is going to experience a dead feeling until it can get back to having decent posters. Encouraging bad behavior by not closing the threads is not going to help anyone.

Closing threads isn't enforcing ToS. If there are violators in a thread: action should be taken on them. Furthermore; where was the announcement that all of the sudden they give a **** about the ToS? It was the moderation team or whoever is in charge of them that allowed this place to become hostile to begin with, or do you forget the people that were banned multiple times (to their knowledge) coming back just to troll more and being allowed to carry on?

krisnda · January 2013

tweakz wrote: »

That's your personal opinion; not a fact.

b:chuckle

MANray_ - Sanctuary · January 2013

tweakz wrote: »

For the past 5 years this forum has catered to trolls. They've allowed it to become hostile. This is the most heavily troll-fested, depraved of good information, poorly moderated forum I've come across. Even conspiracy theory whack-job forums aren't as bad.

You're actually right on the conspiracy nut forums thing, those guys are downright the most polite people you'll ever meet on the internet... Right up until the point their posts get "think-I-better-alert the-FBI-about-this" kind of creepy...

But you've got to be kidding if you seriously consider PW forums to even be in the bad category... Try Honduran footy forums...

And on "depraved of good information" it's not the current mods who are to blame for you having dedicated the better part of those five years to promoting full squads gimping their damage output in order to have a herc soloing content for them... I mean "hostile"? Come on, you honestly don't see something of a pot calling the kettle black thing going on here?

b:chuckle

Takeva - Heavens Tear · January 2013

tweakz wrote: »

That's your personal opinion; not a fact. I've seen many closings for idiotic reasons like "*** sees this thread as going no where". No ToS violation given. Any good debates are closed rather than enforcement of ToS followed.

For the past 5 years this forum has catered to trolls. They've allowed it to become hostile. This is the most heavily troll-fested, depraved of good information, poorly moderated forum I've come across. Even conspiracy theory whack-job forums aren't as bad.

Closing threads isn't enforcing ToS. If there are violators in a thread: action should be taken on them. Furthermore; where was the announcement that all of the sudden they give a **** about the ToS? It was the moderation team or whoever is in charge of them that allowed this place to become hostile to begin with, or do you forget the people that were banned multiple times (to their knowledge) coming back just to troll more and being allowed to carry on?

+10000 for this post.

My two cents. The most excessive and annoying locking of threads comes from the bear who talks to himself in third person. Other than that most are usually justified but I don't like the closing of threads just because people don't want to stay on topic. Just delete their post and give warnings like other forums do. Three strikes and your out, or however many strikes you want to give.

Selak - Dreamweaver · January 2013

I personally feel the the Mods do a great job of thread control, remembering no bodies perfectly right 100% of the time, and even then we have the right to PM or ticket, if we feel hard done by.
And I have even seen some decisions reversed in the Forum lately, and an active GM Val, all this holds hope for the future in my eyes.

Man - Raging Tide · January 2013

OPKossy wrote: »

It's been over an hour since the last post here, Kris!

*closes for necro and warns Kris* b:angry

I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND ASK MODS TO STOP SPAMMING THIS THREAD ~ keep relevant info only or else we gonna have to lock it. Spamming is worse than necro!

Anyways @ OP great thread, and i can't imagine putting something more diplomatically. Imo a forum with thousands of daily visitors could be a little more active and interesting.

Sagek - Sanctuary · January 2013

I was kinda sad when the sandwich thread was closed. /kicks rocks.

Ruvil - Sanctuary · January 2013

mods getting trolled

btw is it against rules to share accounts? some1 got banned?!

uhoh this thread has to be closed now...

wait it was already doomed b/c it was on the 2nd page must be necro. i should have made a new thread on same topic so they could eventually be merged.

more active forums overall appreciated, ty for your contributions as mod is not ez/not even getting paid (and ppl just complain like this) but really? some1 trying to say goodbye and thread gets closed?

i could attempt to be more coherent but i actually cant atm, im not even close to the guy leaving. but dubuhyouteeehf

Seirina - Dreamweaver · January 2013

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Occupy PWi Forum, to fight the abuse of the corporate moderators that only wish ill things on us regular forum users!

We are the 99%!

This is the best response I've seen on a thread all day. ^^ b:laugh

krisnda · January 2013

I'd love to see the complaints if we didn't do much at all xD.
I'm also surprised there isn't that much more on this (then again, most of it has been covered).

MANray_ - Sanctuary · January 2013

Oh, come on, I had a great (non-offensive) joke for the character sex change thread... But I also did have a legitimate answer since I don't believe the actual problem with the mechanic being discussed in there involved gender/orientation issues at all... What's with this automatically closing threads whenever YOU (the mods) consider a question has been sufficiently answered anyway? It really is getting out of control people, you do realize the overwhelming majority of threads involve questions by the OP...

If a topic runs its natural course, and there really is nothing more to add to it, it will simply get buried, there's no need to lock it. And it's not like its against forum policy (please correct me if I'm wrong) for people to use a thread to +1 their post counts anyway.

Edit; I do want to make it clear my complaint is you guys are in such a hurry to close threads that you're letting misleading answers slip by. And my opinion is legitimate topics shouldn't simply be removed because they have "trolling potential".

krisnda · January 2013

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

And it's not like its against forum policy (please correct me if I'm wrong) for people to use a thread to +1 their post counts anyway..

11. No power-posting, spamming, bumping and/or flaming.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=667911&postcount=2

#11.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · January 2013

Krisnda wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=667911&postcount=2

#11.

b:question Um... thanks for your non answer?

b:lipcurl I'm pretty much on the clear on the +1 thing myself, but wouldn't this be something of a doublethink thing for at least a couple of mods?

b:shocked Forget I said anything, please don't send me to the Miniluv...

DoodsWH - Sanctuary · January 2013

I fail too see how +1'ing is a power post, bumping another person or spamming. specifically if its done all by different people other then the fact you choose to close cause you have nothing better to do?

Just cause u point to a rule doesn't mean it applies . ijs

krisnda · January 2013

DoodsWH - Sanctuary wrote: »

I fail too see how +1'ing is a power post, bumping another person or spamming. specifically if its done all by different people other then the fact you choose to close cause you have nothing better to do?

Just cause u point to a rule doesn't mean it applies . ijs

All I will say is that +1ing a thread, especially if it's a troll thread bound to be closed anyway, imo is power-posting. Why +1 a thread if you know it's going to be closed anyway? (Oh, I know, to increase post count :O)

Just because you don't think something doesn't apply as a rule doesn't mean somebody else does.

Knownase - Heavens Tear · January 2013

Do mods unlock threads if they are proven why it shouldn't be locked in the first place?

Just wondering.

Too many locked threads recently

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