Personal Credits Halved in Nation Wars?

supermofogod777 wrote: »

last nw here, 3rd nation, 11k credits, 169 tokens

second to last nw, 1st nation, 10k credits 151 tokens

dafq b:surrender

thats weird indeed b:surprised

But it is possible the #1-3 nation were close together so the difference was not much, just a wild guess ..........

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

I've only been able to attend one nw so far. I ended up base locked on the losing side. Out of the few battles i attended i got relatively high contribution.

280 people per nation 64k pot of tokens

1st battle i was in lasted aroudn 15minutes and i ended up 3rd and got 1500 contribution victory. i think i maybe got 3 kills, the rest was me just dding and tanking damage.
2nd battle lasted around 8minutes ended up 3rd again and got 1200 contribution. it was a loss.
after that i was landlocked in for quite a while and was only able to attend a few more battles for maybe 30secs per battle. after all was said and done i ended up with 38 tokens and only 3k contribution.

Your contribution does seem low gecko. Maybe the rankings are by class in each nw? In the two battles i was in i know that there were 4-5 mages in each one. If they are by class you could place high in archers but have other classes doing better then you. aka 3rd place archer in battle but 8th place total score for battle. so less contribution then actual 3rd.

This is all speculation on my part, waiting on aster to math this stuff out once we provide more data

Past few Nation wars were high in rewards due to some reason:

1. people were low geared(Being a few NW's and people popping up with G16 suddenly, becoming the average gear). This will be the big factor. More people surviving and killing more=less reward from the previous people who were dominating others. More for the ones who were lower geared before NW came.

2. No alt's. While we may have increase in alt's this will remain a small factor VS ^^ above this.

3. Ranged classes/+10 or +12 sins(As I've noticed, 10k+ HP sins get a decent amount and don't go down easily)will dominate all the time. If your playing a BM or seeker you'll be doomed to get lower rewards anyway unless your +10 or +12 but you'll still be at a disadvantage as everyone is becoming equally geared G16 standards minimum, some aiming for R9.

Proof of this is every NW the red rumors spam 24/7 with non stop nirvana gear and weapons.

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

3. Ranged classes/+10 or +12 sins(As I've noticed, 10k+ HP sins get a decent amount and don't go down easily)will dominate all the time. If your playing a BM or seeker you'll be doomed to get lower rewards anyway unless your +10 or +12 but you'll still be at a disadvantage as everyone is becoming equally geared G16 standards minimum, some aiming for R9.

Proof of this is every NW the red rumors spam 24/7 with non stop nirvana gear and weapons.

Psssh... you're underrating Seekers pretty heavily (yeah... they're a also a ranged aoe class that can soak up damage which increases personal contrib) in NWs here... and over rating Sins just as much too. They are plenty 10K+ HP Sins running around in NWs. But with like 99% of them still wearing squishy and out dated aps gear (sharded with DoTs to boot too... lol), 10K HP isn't going to save them from a one shot by nearly every other G16 out there.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

as i already stated, was never lower then rank 4, normally 2-3
this was not the case

You will have to screenshot those. or at least provide the 3 basic piece of data together: rank, personal credits, total credits per battle.

Assuming you are rank 2 or 3, among 20, you should be getting close 2k or more in a full battle (assuming total credits to be distributed: 24750).

I'm petty sure that the math system hasn't changed in the past free nw. The data that I've collected from myself and others have been more or less consistent.

I've noticed I seem to get fewer credits for doing better.

Assume 20v20 scenarios.

I get one kill in, and I'm maybe in that battleground for 8 minutes before I've died too many times and get booted out. (not sure if won or lost)

650 points

I get 3 kills and I'm there for the full 20 minutes AND we win the battle.

350 points

So confusing b:surrender

From all the posts I've read, it is possible that the NW reward system can be based on a similar algorithm with the Tiger event.

Seeing how an archer score so high in kills and points getting less than a barb who doesn't have as many kills can mean the reward system is also class rank dependent when reward is given out. I know on all servers, there are more r9 archers than any other r9 classes since that is one of the best class choice for mass pvp. In one night that I didn't get as many tokens as I expected based on past scores, I had noticed that same night had a **** load of seekers I had to compete with too. This fact also supports this theory.

I haven't done NW for the past few weeks, but for the times I have done them, I often placed 1st and 2nd in every battle, but never less even considering I was over powered and outnumbered at some times. It is possible that the ranking is based on how well you score against a set number in the system to determine how much points is given to you, and not a rank comparison between players. Like with the game I am playing now, in events, everyone can get 1st, 2nd or 3rd placed and that will determine their reward value. There was this one time I entered a battle and I didn't find anyone to kill, but still end up being 1st - which was really weird.

Since even Asty is still stomped on figuring out the scoring sense in her recording, it just means that randomness in token distribution can also be a factor. Similar to the random points you get in the Tiger Event.

I don't think you guys are realizing that there are likely many considerations factoring in on scores. It may not just be the number of kills but the quality of your targets. It may not just be the damage you deal but how much you take. It may just not be debuffing your oponets but buffing your allies as well. We are not yet at the point of truly understanding the scoring system, so that empyrical experience for the time being is probably being tainted by observation bias.

Until we actually get some hard data this is all a matter of speculation.

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Also remember that the amount of contribution you get is based on the total amount of soulforce of the opposing side, this could explain why you were getting lower points even when placing in the top 3 for the battle. Fighting battles against lower geared opponents will net less contribution than being in a battles full of r9 +10/12 even if you were to come 1st place in each of those situations.

Anyway to back this up? I've noticed the more lands you have the better the total tokens given to your nation. Or perhaps the total amount of victories/loses for your nation.

that actually makes sense. I mean i got into one battle which i found out was against my factions squad. so i left after taking some damage and went back to base. once the battle ended i got i think 400 contribution. so in longer battles people max out on deaths get booted and then you may end up spliting your battles contribution among 30 people instead of 20. Did you take much notice of who your allies were during the battles?

b:surrender Must of got Gecko's tokens as i got 88 and never got more than 40 before...

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

That might be part of reason why, but still doesnt explain why other people in same battles who did worse then me got more credit

Perhaps you entered too many battles where too many people got booted as new ones came in so they got a share of that battle, draining your normal amount. Hence your low amount.

shut this spawn killers thread down,,,shut it,shut it down!

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

It's true sometime, a low level in the wining nation can get more tokens than a R9 in the losing faction sometime. I think the winning faction and losing nation make a huge difference on the amount of tokens more than the personal credit or level/gears.

On the same nation thought I don't think a low level ungeared will get more than a high level geared, but from 2 different nation could be possible if the low is lucky and are in the winning one and not the R9.

I meant as in players in the same squad mentioning this (same nation). However, rumours are rumours so I have no idea how true this one is.

I'm fairly tokens are divided evenly depending on your nations percentage of map credits. So if your nation has 30% of the total map credits between the 4 nations, your nation gets 30% of the total tokens.