Personal Credits Halved in Nation Wars?
Geckofreak - Sanctuary
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I went into nation wars, had a great battle, 15 minutes, tons of kills, tons of damage, battle ends, i look at my score, think it was like 28000 points..... 560 personal credits.
The rest of the night proceeds the same way, i do the best ive ever done in NW, being a nearly unstoppable killing force, and i end up with a pitiful ammount of credits. People who i clearly did much better then, ended up with more credits for those same battles we fought together.
In the end, my nation, dark nation wins, by a pretty huge lead, and i end up with 6.8k credits total, and 126 tokens.
People who i had normally doubled in token count had slightly more then me, people who i normally do like 60 tokens better then had like 50 tokens more then me, and people who i normally score close to had twice as much as me.
My playing was by far the best i had done in nation wars to date, and i get ripped off, by what seems to be half my reward.
anyone else having issues like this?
The rest of the night proceeds the same way, i do the best ive ever done in NW, being a nearly unstoppable killing force, and i end up with a pitiful ammount of credits. People who i clearly did much better then, ended up with more credits for those same battles we fought together.
In the end, my nation, dark nation wins, by a pretty huge lead, and i end up with 6.8k credits total, and 126 tokens.
People who i had normally doubled in token count had slightly more then me, people who i normally do like 60 tokens better then had like 50 tokens more then me, and people who i normally score close to had twice as much as me.
My playing was by far the best i had done in nation wars to date, and i get ripped off, by what seems to be half my reward.
anyone else having issues like this?
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In previous nation wars, i had been based locked nearly half the time, and scored 150 tokens, on a 3rd place losing team
In this one, only time i wasnt fighting was when moving to the next fight.
Also, we only had teams of 270 people each, as opposed to the normal 320 people each
only explanation is something glitched and i got ripped off[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
One reason could be ur nation mates in same battles were performing better than you b:cute0
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The amount of tokens for all nations change sometime, I don't know why, first week on HL that was something around 75k tokens total, now it's always only 61k. On HT it seems to be always 78k, I don't know why the amount change or is not the same on all server, but maybe the total amount get change on your server.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »One reason could be ur nation mates in same battles were performing better than you b:cute
forgot to mention, was #1-#4 in every battle, normally #2-#3
that was not the case[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »The amount of tokens for all nations change sometime, I don't know why, first week on HL that was something around 75k tokens total, now it's always only 61k. On HT it seems to be always 78k, I don't know why the amount change or is not the same on all server, but maybe the total amount get change on your server.
that wouldnt explain the lack of personal credits, that others recieved compared to me. when i compared myself to other people, i was referring to all other people in my nation, dark nation, which won[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Just because you're good, doesn't mean there aren't 200 people better than you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »that wouldnt explain the lack of personal credits, that others recieved compared to me. when i compared myself to other people, i was referring to all other people in my nation, dark nation, which won
You said you played better than usual, maybe others did too, I'm always in the same squad of ten since the start of NW and we are never at the same '''rank'' btw us, sometime I have more than one person and the next NW the person have more,
The way you speak you wasn't playing as usual, maybe for your class that wasn't a good playstyle, next NW try the same way than before.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I didn't get 1/2 tokens this time btw0
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »You said you played better than usual, maybe others did too, I'm always in the same squad of ten since the start of NW and we are never at the same '''rank'' btw us, sometime I have more than one person and the next NW the person have more,
The way you speak you wasn't playing as usual, maybe for your class that wasn't a good playstyle, next NW try the same way than before.
The thing is though, i know i did great, my scores every battle were high, ranking high, personal credits, pathetically low.
I can accept that other people did better today, but i definately didnt do worse, so why did it reward me as if i had done horribly, thats the question[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Additional information
In previous nation wars, i had been based locked nearly half the time, and scored 150 tokens, on a 3rd place losing team
In this one, only time i wasnt fighting was when moving to the next fight.
Also, we only had teams of 270 people each, as opposed to the normal 320 people each
only explanation is something glitched and i got ripped off
^This, the more people playing NW the less tokens you get.
The first day it released I got like 170 token now I get around 60 depending how well I do.0 -
TexanTank - Raging Tide wrote: »^This, the more people playing NW the less tokens you get.
The first day it released I got like 170 token now I get around 60 depending how well I do.
i know that, there were 270 people each team instead of the normal 320 or so, less people, not more. and was also in the winning nation for the first time[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
You're probably in losing land. I don't think land that fails gives as many points as land where you win.
I actually recorded my results for this NW so I could do some data analysis:
http://tinyurl.com/nwstats
It's a bit hard to say what kind of battle is most efficient (since my data is not very diverse).
For me the best was a 9v20 that we won in 20 minutes, followed by a 20v20 that we won in 12 minutes.
Also here is what R9 barbs think about archer flag carriers: http://i.imgur.com/Cqjrw.png[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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if your fights are 20vs3 (you being the 20) you may get #1 and 100 points
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U get less points also when ur in winning walk-over battles0
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »You're probably in losing land. I don't think land that fails gives as many points as land where you win.
I actually recorded my results for this NW so I could do some data analysis:
http://tinyurl.com/nwstats
It's a bit hard to say what kind of battle is most efficient (since my data is not very diverse).
For me the best was a 9v20 that we won in 20 minutes, followed by a 20v20 that we won in 12 minutes.
Also here is what R9 barbs think about archer flag carriers: http://i.imgur.com/Cqjrw.png
Yes, i did lose alot, but even in the ones i won, my points were still far lower then they should have been. the highest score i got was in an 17 minute loss, with 800 credits. I did die a decent amount, but deaths do not retract from score. I also purposefully avoid easy battles. I go for the 20 v 20, only had one short battle, and that was a 2 v 20 loss, every other battled lasted at least 10 minutes[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, i did lose alot, but even in the ones i won, my points were still far lower then they should have been. the highest score i got was in an 17 minute loss, with 800 credits. I did die a decent amount, but deaths do not retract from score. I also purposefully avoid easy battles. I go for the 20 v 20, only had one short battle, and that was a 2 v 20 loss, every other battled lasted at least 10 minutes
I can only recommend recording your results and reviewing your performance to identify factors that lead to a low score. People don't really have a good grasp of scoring yet and it's hard to tell whats going on. My data was unfortunately not very useful
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The first day it released there were low number of participants. Now there are twice more.TexanTank - Raging Tide wrote: »^This, the more people playing NW the less tokens you get.
The first day it released I got like 170 token now I get around 60 depending how well I do.0 -
I think it was mentioned how much damage you do can add to your score, I got a bit over 6k points tonight on the winning side and got 68 tokens. There were people with around the same amount with less and more tokens then me. Go figure b:chuckleMarine - Marshall - Raging Tides - Retired
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I got around 7.5k personal credit and 115 tokens today.
Last monday I had 8k+ personal credit and got 113 tokens. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »You're probably in losing land. I don't think land that fails gives as many points as land where you win.
I actually recorded my results for this NW so I could do some data analysis:
http://tinyurl.com/nwstats
It's a bit hard to say what kind of battle is most efficient (since my data is not very diverse).
For me the best was a 9v20 that we won in 20 minutes, followed by a 20v20 that we won in 12 minutes.
Also here is what R9 barbs think about archer flag carriers: http://i.imgur.com/Cqjrw.png
I would really love to know how they decide the amount of tokens for a server. Your server had less people, but a total of 77k tokens while on HL we was more and 61k tokens.
Amount of people (you can see as well what happen on the map when the server crash):
And the amount of tokens total (my bf SS):
As you can see we are more players, but total we have around 16k totkens less than your server.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »I would really love to know how they decide the amount of tokens for a server. Your server had less people, but a total of 77k tokens while on HL we was more and 61k tokens.
Amount of people (you can see as well what happen on the map when the server crash):
And the amount of tokens total (my bf SS):
As you can see we are more players, but total we have around 16k totkens less than your server.
I'd like to know too. It appears to be chosen before the Nation Wars takes place. Also I think it's the same for Friday and Sunday NW. It's on my list of open questions.
Too bad Sanc didn't have a crash. I had a personal best contribution record and still did relatively poorly due to being in the worst nation (3rd time in a row).[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »I'd like to know too. It appears to be chosen before the Nation Wars takes place. Also I think it's the same for Friday and Sunday NW. It's on my list of open questions.
Too bad Sanc didn't have a crash. I had a personal best contribution record and still did relatively poorly due to being in the worst nation (3rd time in a row).
On HL the first week that was 7xk something tokens than after that til now it's 61k tokens.
Yea my bf and me was in the ''lucky'' nation of the crash, our land wasn't able to be attack so no def wars for us only attack and we all got crazy tokens as you can see, we didn't even thought 527 was possible. XD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
Also here is what R9 barbs think about archer flag carriers: http://i.imgur.com/Cqjrw.png
PWI needs to ban archers like you from carrying flag, b:angry0 -
Fridays NW I got 11k credit n 159 Tokens.
Sunday NW I got 6k credit and 132 Tokens.
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I still don't fully understand how the system works because I get ranked 1 in every nation I attend as well as have one of the highest damage output on the entire server but yet get beat by mostly barbs with reward even tho they get less personal credit then me.
Yesterday we were 3rd winning faction and I got 201 tokens while a friend of mine got 97 as the 1st winning nation. Our personal credit weren't insanely far off but considering their nation won it feels like a scam getting so few. I'm still hoping the Devs are willing to explain how it works for us a bit since atm, no matter who I ask or what server I go to and ask, everyone seems clueless.
My average on tokens are from 180-340 and I usually get between 25-30k personal credit. Usuaully Friday seems to give out more tokens then Monday for some reason on RT.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Because you probably took less damage in those battles. It's far more effective to end the battles with you getting the kill, but taking some damage. That being said this is also the least effective way to win battles for your nation and purposefully taking damage could get you killed. It's not just about how awesome you can dish it, you have to be able to take it. Barbs excel at this because some of these guys can turtle 20 people with no real trouble.0
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Friday might give more credit because of less people participating (people at work).
Anyway, there is clearly something wrong with how the game count tha personal credit at the end of every battle. It happen that when I fight a lot, kill and be killed I got only about 50 points for the battle. Other time I went to a battle so unfortunatelly for me that I got there 10 secs before battle end. I didnt even move from spawn point before the flag got captured, noone attacked me and I attacked noone... got 150 points for this battle O_o.
But still, I don't complain. Usually I get about 200-2500 points per battle and I end up with 8-9k after the 2h of fighting. It grants me 83-212 tokens (depending of what nation I am in, recently I am lucky to get in winning nation though b:victory , perhaps it is my merit xD).0 -
Ridelia - Momaganon wrote: »Friday might give more credit because of less people participating (people at work).
Anyway, there is clearly something wrong with how the game count tha personal credit at the end of every battle. It happen that when I fight a lot, kill and be killed I got only about 50 points for the battle. Other time I went to a battle so unfortunatelly for me that I got there 10 secs before battle end. I didnt even move from spawn point before the flag got captured, noone attacked me and I attacked noone... got 150 points for this battle O_o.
But still, I don't complain. Usually I get about 200-2500 points per battle and I end up with 8-9k after the 2h of fighting. It grants me 83-212 tokens (depending of what nation I am in, recently I am lucky to get in winning nation though b:victory , perhaps it is my merit xD).
more than likely there wasn't many mystics in that battle. It seems to go by class (and I think somewhere I saw it ranks you by soulforce too but I could be wrong) when assigning tokens. In addition I noticed in addition to your personal credits there is a nation credits per battle as well. The lower the numbers mean people did not earn much contribution. Since everyone's equal score wise besides the flag runners nad maybe 1-2 people that spawn kill some afk alt, they are all divided up about the same. There is nothing much to rank. Whereas in battles where you do fighting and such, you're ranked on how much of your nation's contribution you earned in addition to any of the other factors we don't have much clue about. If you ranked poorly compared to some other person you'd get less contribution.0 -
last nw here, 3rd nation, 11k credits, 169 tokens
second to last nw, 1st nation, 10k credits 151 tokens
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My squad also suffered 1/2 tokens lately for some reason. Including the R9's. The formula for rewards is truly complicated but I suppose we can't argue because in the end it's a huge amount of free raps/cannies as opposed to non stop nirvana farming in the old days. Only explanation is, more people are becoming full G16/R9 and harder to kill in the process so were seeing lower rewards as people become better. You can be twice as good as you were from your 1st nation wars, but that doesn't matter in the end when you have everyone on the same equal scale as you on gear/survivability.0
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