Cs'ers and R9

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

arbitrary: Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

Does that answer your question?

In that case, what does this add to the discussion? It isn't backed up by any real facts or figures, it's just you throwing out percentages you make up based on your opinion, which anyone else could do. Also, I feel that the number of people with R9 and to what degree that it is enhanced via refines etc is dependent on the server, given that more players with R9 will be on the older servers, where they've had longer to 'merch' or buy their gear, or from when a considerable amount of the cost could be covered via obtaining the medals with DQ points, as opposed to the EU servers, for example.

Terrastrike - Lost City wrote: »

In that case, what does this add to the discussion?

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Merchants and cash shoppers will fall in the top 10%. The top 1% may have a few more merchants. Top 0.1% may have a few more merchants or cash shoppers. The top 0.001% how ever will most likely be a cash shopper.

Find out exactly how many people got r9 2nd cast within 1~2 weeks of being released, got the same gear for their alts (2~4 alts), refined it to +12 for all alts, and put josd for all alts, had cube necklaces g16 at +12, had warsong belts at g16+12 for each alt. Had LUAD for each alt. Had ring engravings with 2 stats for each alt that were good. All armour being 4 sockets (helm+cape).

Once you find people like that. Ask them if they geared their alts by farming/merchanting everything or did they just invest lots of real life money to do it?

Now work backwards and relax the restrictions. Ask the question, how many of those people spent real money to gear the main/alt, how many merchanted, how many mixed the two.

Keep on relaxing the conditions until you reach r9 +10 gear. Once you get all those numbers, a clearer image will appear to show you how rich cash shoppers are and how rich merchants are and what is the diving line between best of the best and the best.

OP is wondering whether merchants can achieve the gear that he got. The above will clearly outline what gear merchants can achieve in this game.

Does that answer your question "In that case, what does this add to the discussion?" The above was already posted in the original post i posted, but i guess you didn't take the time to read it and analyze, bash mode got turned on.

goodmorningm8 wrote: »

dedicate your life to become greatest, do not drink, do not party

So you are suggesting those young enough to still be in school should become no lifer workaholics with no way to vent? It is you who has a very naive view of life if you think this is all it takes. I'm not bashing it, this does work for some people, but I find the idea contemptible myself, better men than you and me have tried this and FAILED, so called "success" in life is not dependant on sacrifice alone and a well adjusted, balanced person can certainly find the time for friends, relationships and even ocassionally indulging on some small plaeasures. This includes gaming.

Let's take chess as an example, you could buy a good book and simply follow instructions in order to beat lesser opponents (compare to P2Win) but this will not teach you the underlying strategy, and even philosophy, that underlies this game. It takes years to become a master and yes, there is such a thing as child prodigies but these are usually incapable of fully realizing the full extent of what is it that they're doing. Now MMO gaming may not posses the rich tradition of chess, much less its social standing, but it is regardless a complex activity which can enrichen a person's life and even teach valuable lessons, including facilitating the acquisition of marketable skills, for coping with real life. Just playing PW without earning your char's levels and gears will not profit you and only the inmature will find it fulfilling. Not that there's anything wrong with some ameriolation, or supporting the service provider.

Back on topic, No, I dont believe you can make billions on just 15 minutes a day. Merchanting requires much more time and the only way you can get on just 5 minute sessions (which I'm also very skeptical about) is if you've alkready become an established player, which itself takes a heavy investment in terms of time/resources. Go play another game with a similar bussiness model (PWI does offer a good selection) and make billions there without first establishing a character on just 15 minutes daily. The whole idea is absurd and ridiculous...

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I love when people claim they didn't put one dime into the game to get their R9 +12 gear. Please if you have this claim, explain to me how you got

300,000 Reputation
19 Medals of Glory
205 General Summer's Tokens

R9 was intro'ed 2 years ago in 2010. Nirvi 3 years ago 2009. No one knew R9 was coming so they were using the matts to make Nirvi gear. Not to mention, making gear to handle Nirvi. So we can eliminate 1 year already, saying they farmed Nirvi to get R9.

Please tell me in your own experience, how you farmed R9 in detail and how long it took you to get it. I would love to know how you managed to make that much coins in the game to get rep, cuz it would take years to get 300k rep from farming fb's and bh's and that's if the rep ends up in your bag when it's picked up. Not to mention MOG's which are sold in Boutique, and GST's made with mysterious chips. Oh yeh mysterious chips 204,979.5 mysterious chip 10-pks to make all 205 GST's. Tell me what items you were selling to make the kind of money it took to make those, and buy MOG's and buy rep. in less than 2 years.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm a cs'er. I put money in the game to buy 95% of my full R9.

But wait, in 2 years, not only did they get R9 from farming, they also, refined there gear to a +10-12. I'm not even gonna get into the fact that most of the time you see an R9 toon, they also have a Cube neck +10-12. Wow, you must have crazy luck to, wait for it, open just a few Orb packs and get +12 orbs. What about the 1-11, those don't come from packs, well they do, but again, you have to buy those from the money you also farmed. Oh and of course the luck you must have being able to use Cheinken stones to get to a +12 lol. How about shards? Gems, JOSD's, Primevals, all pack items.

So in 2 years you managed to get all your R9(rep, MOG's GST's), Cube neck, refines to +10-12, and shards?

I lol'd. If you knew how to merch, you wouldn't have even made this thread.

I can tell you for a fact, there are quite a big number of people on HT that have gotten their r9 without charging. Some people on the server have over 10bil coin. If you actually paid attention to the items that are high-in-demand, you'd realise how much money you can make from one single item. Little do you know exactly how many shops one person owns. I can tell you now, a person I know on HT runs 4 shops, and so there may be people who run more, but look how much they're raking in from one shop alone lol.

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It would take longer than 2 years, even merchanting your azz off to get full R9 +12, fully sharded. You would have to be jobless and have nothing better to do but spend all your time on the game. Now I understand why people say the game is boring. Doing the same thing everyday for 2 years to get gear, that once they get it, there is better gear. Like 2nd cast and 3rd cast.

I don't even. R9 +12 fully sharded wouldn't even come close to two years.
10m*365 = 3.65b /1.65m (current gold price) = 2.2k gold = full r9 + 1.2k gold to spare.

Now factor in how much they make whilst that one shop alone is making 10m a day. You don't even need to sit and look at your shops 24/7. Before going to work/class whatever it may be, adjust your prices depending on your competition, done.

why does it seem the peanut gallery in this thread is from sanctuary is this on the sanct server symposium area or something i just checked new posts lol, merchanting can get you about anything i myself hate to do it so i farm w/e i can. people need alot of patience to merchant if ur home bored.

this is a saying i like to use alot.

I dont have a patience problem, i have plenty of patience, i just don't like to wait.

This thread made me lol

TBH I'm probably one of the laziest merchants on HT and I was able to get my r9 within 6 months of it being released. It takes little effort to merch if you know what you're doing. Most of my friends that have full r9+10-12 are merchants and havent spent any money on this game. So if you still think its impossible to get full r9+10-12 without CS you're obviously doing something wrong.

R9 is impossible for people who did not buy gold with coins from back then and with the medals of glory from DQ rewards when they were addicted to PWI from then. Obviously the people have got it a lot cheaper (or even free) because of the mistake made by putting medals in the rewards the first place. It was only possible for players who bought gold for lower than 200k each. Others, they cash shopped in order to get that/ To make full gears +8 is free and possible and also cheap, but higher than that, you need d-orbs which costs gold, you can't merchant billions (after gold/coin exchange ratio was higher than 400k ea) of coin unless you have successfully scammed a lot of players.

mm2000 wrote: »

R9 is impossible for people who did not buy gold with coins from back then and with the medals of glory from DQ rewards when they were addicted to PWI from then. Obviously the people have got it a lot cheaper (or even free) because of the mistake made by putting medals in the rewards the first place. It was only possible for players who bought gold for lower than 200k each. Others, they cash shopped in order to get that/ To make full gears +8 is free and possible and also cheap, but higher than that, you need d-orbs which costs gold, you can't merchant billions (after gold/coin exchange ratio was higher than 400k ea) of coin unless you have successfully scammed a lot of players.

What did i just read b:shocked.

You can tisha, tienkang all the way to +12. People don't do it because of risk involved, so you don't need dragon orbs. I make most of gear +9 for free. Costs 1 ocean to go +10. Buy a few oceans, and +11 for cheap.

The rest of the post i don't want to dignify with a response.

mm2000 wrote: »

R9 is impossible for people who did not buy gold with coins from back then and with the medals of glory from DQ rewards when they were addicted to PWI from then. Obviously the people have got it a lot cheaper (or even free) because of the mistake made by putting medals in the rewards the first place. It was only possible for players who bought gold for lower than 200k each. Others, they cash shopped in order to get that/ To make full gears +8 is free and possible and also cheap, but higher than that, you need d-orbs which costs gold, you can't merchant billions (after gold/coin exchange ratio was higher than 400k ea) of coin unless you have successfully scammed a lot of players.

You're either a terrible merchant or extremely dumb

Svaarog - Sanctuary wrote: »

White Shot (Sanctuary) refined his stuff + 12 with those - true fact.

Wow wth, really O.O

FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're either a terrible merchant or extremely dumb

Who cares about merchanting when you could just use a smart method of getting things done easier? All I have done was bought from people were enough +9 to +12 d-orbs because of either their typoes or bad math. People who can't get billions in a year worth merchanting for like 20 mins a day is dumb? Seriously, everyone must be completely stupid. Once again, if you haven't bought gold with coins when it was below 250k/gold and sold them back for 1.5 million each, then you're a damn liar.

I have already +12 and sharded with immacs, and I have already have made a good deal with someone that made me full G16 nirvana gear and I have already sharded with full JOSD/VIT stones that is +12... I must be a terrible merchant...

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I love how ignorant some people are about the potentials of merchanding.

If someone has say 100mil (pritty easy to get without cashing), and invests it in Dorbs on sale (50% sale)
He than sells his Dorbs at 110% of the original price with gold. So buy gold, buy orbs, sell orbs for coin, buy more gold.

After 1 cycle, he has roughly 110mil. Cycle takes about a day. Sale lasts for a month.
So next cycle, he has 10% more orbs and sells thema gain at 10% profit. 121mil
Next cycle, 133mil.
146mil, 161 mil, 177mil, 194mil, 214 mil, 235mil, 259mil, 285mil, 313mil

So now you trippled your money in 12 cycles. Let's take it as a slow days, that takes roughly half a month.

After 20 cycles, you have 672mil. Say that's a month, maybe a little more.
At the end of the sale, you buy more orbs, and than orb prices go up back to normal. So in your point of view, the buy direct price doubles (as you bought them for 50% of normal price). When selling at 75% of the original price, which would be pritty damn cheap for non sale moments, you'd turn that 672mil into (672*1,5=)1.008 billion coins.

Sure you might not be able to permanently sell the orbs, it's ganna take awhile to sell that many orbs, but there are always sales going on here. If one ends, just buy up alot and save for later and start selling whatever is on sale next while you wait a week and try to sell the old orbs.

GOOD merchants are alot richer than cashshoppers dude b:bye

I just want to point something out in that post.... BUY GOLD!!!! no matter what you are still cash shopping (yes I know you can buy gold through ah)

And I challenge anyone to make a new toon of any class and try to farm the quests for coin... Let me know your results... Cost of skills, gear, and repairs, with the reduction in coins from dq.... You will never get anywhere close to 100kk

Massad - Harshlands wrote: »

I just want to point something out in that post.... BUY GOLD!!!! no matter what you are still cash shopping (yes I know you can buy gold through ah)

And I challenge anyone to make a new toon of any class and try to farm the quests for coin... Let me know your results... Cost of skills, gear, and repairs, with the reduction in coins from dq.... You will never get anywhere close to 100kk

Already been done by warrenwolfy, a merch. from Sanc. He went to LC as a lvl 1 and merched. Last I heard, he ended up with 1k+ gold in a pretty short amount of time i think. Can't remember the details anymore but it was some time back in 2011 when he was still around. If you're interested, you can always try to search for his post.

I've been on LC and there's not even many catshops in west. Looked like it would be easy to merch. in LC.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

O silly me. I thought the thread was about buying stuf with IRL money.
Damn I fail so hard, thanks for pointing that out for me b:surrender

(yes, that was sarcastic. In case you are to stupid to notice that)

Sarcasm or not no the op specifically stated explain in detail how you are aquiring the r9+12 without recast blah blah blah WITHOUT spending any real money.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

Already been done by warrenwolfy, a merch. from Sanc. He went to LC as a lvl 1 and merched. Last I heard, he ended up with 1k+ gold in a pretty short amount of time i think. Can't remember the details anymore but it was some time back in 2011 when he was still around. If you're interested, you can always try to search for his post.

I've been on LC and there's not even many catshops in west. Looked like it would be easy to merch. in LC.

Thats not what I meant... It was referring to other people saying they take 100kk that they get from normal questing and grinding (something that nobody does anymore) on pvp servers

then thos same people go into merchanting... I challenge anyone to try it and document it... Last time I tried it I never went above 30kk and the dq cash was still there.

Now don't get me wrong I cash shop, and I have never said other wise... But I have dealt with people that do the same thing and I know they are doing it because they will even say so... But to other people and randoms its oh I farmed all of this in a month and merchanted.... Oh you ****** liar b:laugh you just said over vent how you bought $1,000 usd in packs

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

how do you guys keep track of your money lol x_X

The ones who really have it, convert it to big notes, or convert to gold. Those who don't have the money but like to think in future they will, they just add 1~5 zeros in front of their current money stock pile.

Talking about merchanting, I have a few hundred golds but Im afraid if I spend these now I won't be able to sell and get Gold back in time for next holidays sale. I really don't known what to do(or if I should just do nothing till xMas) b:shocked

And who knowns how much gold could spike before xMas >.<
Right now Im simply paralized