Cs'ers and R9

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I love when people claim they didn't put one dime into the game to get their R9 +12 gear. Please if you have this claim, explain to me how you got

300,000 Reputation
19 Medals of Glory
205 General Summer's Tokens

R9 was intro'ed 2 years ago in 2010. Nirvi 3 years ago 2009. No one knew R9 was coming so they were using the matts to make Nirvi gear. Not to mention, making gear to handle Nirvi. So we can eliminate 1 year already, saying they farmed Nirvi to get R9.

Please tell me in your own experience, how you farmed R9 in detail and how long it took you to get it. I would love to know how you managed to make that much coins in the game to get rep, cuz it would take years to get 300k rep from farming fb's and bh's and that's if the rep ends up in your bag when it's picked up. Not to mention MOG's which are sold in Boutique, and GST's made with mysterious chips. Oh yeh mysterious chips 204,979.5 mysterious chip 10-pks to make all 205 GST's. Tell me what items you were selling to make the kind of money it took to make those, and buy MOG's and buy rep. in less than 2 years.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm a cs'er. I put money in the game to buy 95% of my full R9.

But wait, in 2 years, not only did they get R9 from farming, they also, refined there gear to a +10-12. I'm not even gonna get into the fact that most of the time you see an R9 toons, they also have a Cube neck +10-12. Wow, you must have crazy luck to wait for it, open just a few Orb packs and get +12 orbs. What about the 1-11, those don't come from packs. Oh and of course the luck you must have being able to use Cheinken stones to get to a +12 lol.

I put money in the game, did my farming and so on. and it still took me 2 years to get my
R9 and it's only refined to +6 on the gear(money), +11 on the wep(money and packs), and unsharded. Hmmm tell me your tricks. I work and put money in the game. My girl even works and helped me pay for some of the stuff and it still took me 2 years.

I'm not hating on those that farmed or those that put money in the game. I'm just curious as to how you did it so quickly, when I farmed and put money in the game.

it took 2 years to cash shop an r9 set with two people contributing towards it? you need a better job.

Its easy. Let me explain you.

So, I will give you my own example.

I am pretty young and don't like this game that much to put a single cent into this game. Buuut, I couldn't stand that I have no endgame weapon.

So, in february 2012 I decided to start merchanting. My first capital came out from charms I bought from sale. I invested 50mil in charm, which were on sale @2 gold per one. So, after one month of patient waiting I made 120mil from those charms. And these I stopped farming at all. Even on x2. All I did was BH/PK and Nirvana with my friends just to help them. Though, at that time I had 4 aps unsparked +7 Barrier Thorn - Nirvana.

So, 120mil. During next 5 months I made 676 Gold from it. Lets say, 900mil. I can say that I used like 40% of merching potential, because I had no 24/7 catshop, and my client was running only like 8h per day. It was working too loudly :x So, I didn't buy/sell tokens/charms/mirages/rare thingies non stop. But I knew value of any in-game thing. So I could play with it, e.g: during those 4 months I bought 2 sky covers at 50% of their market value, 6 cube neckies for 60-80% of their market value, endless amount of Lunar rings at 80% of their market value. And all those only from world chat. My most achivement was buying Lv.7 tome for 10mil, just saying xD

So, using a small potential of merchanting I could make R9 weapon+ring in pretty short period of time..

But you know what, PWE doesn't really like people who achive endgame gear w.o single $. Thats why I am banned for nothing now

P.s.: sorry for my engrish, its not my primal language

Why is it so hard for people to understand why merchanting can get you anything you want?
A good bit of the R9 +12 people on HT have never cash shopped.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why is it so hard for people to understand why merchanting can get you anything you want?
A good bit of the R9 +12 people on HT have never cash shopped.

Everything I have is from merching as well. Too many people fail to realize that if you can buy and sell or even just sell, you can make money...And do it while farming to make even more.

To top it off people think PWI has killed farming instances. They only ruined the "5aps r9 +10 demon HF or gtfo nobody likes you you're a ****** noob" instance. TT wil be more popular than ever. Not to mention, now people can farm NW. I made 250 mil from nation wars just this weekend, and the first day I didn't even know what I was doing.

My R9 toon is only +10, but fully sharded with jades.

Took me 1 year of farming/merchanting + a lot of luck on packs to get the full set. Then almost another year to get the jades. One time, my biggest lucky strike ever, I put 100mil on packs and got ~1bil from it (2 cube necklaces, 1 warsong badge, 1scroll of tome, 1 lunar insignia weapon, 1 primeval and a bunch of best tokens and charms). I don't risk too much on packs, though. My deal is usually open around 10 packs and see if I'm on a profit. If yes, keep on openning. If not, stop and have a very small loss that'll be dealt with in a few minutes of having a catshop open.

Orb sales were always a great deal for any merchant in game, as well as pack sales (especially when you look 2 years back, when I was farming my R9).

When I was getting my jades, I would actually buy DoDs for 28mil, sell for 32mil and keep on doing that till I had all the jades I needed for my own use.

I could have +12ed my R9 toon by now, but I chose to instead lvl different classes and gear them up. I have no clue why you think that merchanting is so impossible.

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm curious as to what game you were playing that had a dorb sale going on for a month. On my game called PWI, it lasts a week.

Except that we've had longer sales (not in 2012, I believe - though I think we had a 15 days one? -, but in 2011 we had a pretty freaking long/recurring orb sale if I recall it right).

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You must be a young kid with no job and daddy's wallet. When you grow up and actually get a job, pay rent, have a car, and pay real life bills, and daddy is not giving you his card anymore, then you can come back and apologize and tell me I understand now, why it took so long to get R9 that costed $1400.

oh of course, you cant get yourself sorted out, and that somehow reflects on me?

<-- Non csing r9

If GMs confirm its legal I can post my purchase history.

No APS toons either until recently and its low aps sin with **** weap, only cost me coins never actually made me coins.
No Merchanting - Period
No Cat Shops (Once in a blue moon maybe to sell something)

This is how to farm r9 without even spending 10 hours a day on game, I did this with 2 level 100 toons:

Cube run every day - no exceptions
OHT daily quest
Morai daily quest
Base Quest
Between 1 and 4 caster runs a day
BH

All of this should be done in 3 hours MAX if you roll bad luck.

Leaves me time to start an instance Warsong/Lunar or Delta. OR Faction Trials depending if my fac is in the mood or not, mostly not.

My r9 ring was a gift.

Took me up to 2 months for each armor piece, all sharded with cit and garnet Gems and refines between +7 and +10.

Luck plays major role as well, depending on bh rewards, drops in instances etc


Of course I did not farm reputation with one man army quests, I purchased all of it with coins that i made elsewhere, no body ever said you don't don't cash shop you have to EARN rep by grinding it.

Cube alone profit in a month is between 30 and 40 mils done on 2 toons yet takes 20 minutes to finish. In 2 months thats close to 80 mils, so only from cube alone you can purchase 10.6 GSTs at 7.5mil price, which i almost never pay but look to but in between 6 and 6.5m

so you need 3.5 more GSTs in 2 months, takes to get lucky with only but a few BHS you got rest of your GSTs for armor.

now you need 50ish m for a Medal of Glory. Couple of Deltas and Lunars covers it in less than 2 months thats for sure.

Weapon needs bit more stuff (Belt also) so just prepare to wait a bit longer, multiply time by 2 so let say 4 months.

Again, luck plays huge factor if you drop a gold mat in tt etc Basically if you have 5-6h a day to actively play, yes its more than very possible if you actually DO stuff and not just complain about cash shoppers, warsong being boring, delta is too long, lunar takes 500k entry fee, OHT gives too little while spending hundreds of teles talking **** no body cares about in world chat trying to buy cool points.

Nothing wrong with cash shopping either, I sure would do it as well if PWI ever cared about different way of purchasing ZEN but the one they already have yet not available to everyone. You pay to watch a movie while going to a cinema or to watch a basketball game with friends, sure you can do it for free at home and again you pay for the cable etc Why not play for the video game you play more than a lot.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

O and you forgot the Medal of Glory through DQ rewards, which gave quite alot of people VERY cheap medals for awhile

I did not forget mate, just back then I was not even considering rank9 gear but yes quite a few people got very cheap medals back then with DQ pts before they got removed. And its not an option anymore anyway sadly. if it was, I'd prolly have both of my 100+ toons r9 geared

I started learning to merchant about a year ago, I was not even aiming for r9. up until that point i considered it out of reach.

in that year's time i farmed/merchanted:
full r9 on my psy refined 7-10 with DoT
DoT armor and s3 daggers on my sin all +10
full s3 on my other casters all +7
s3 fists on my bm, and upped her refines as well to 8-10
pan gu tome, cube neck, ect

If i had just focused on my psy i would have easily been able to +12 everything but I enjoy playing all the classes to much. i remember feeling like there is no way it could be done, but it totally is, and its not anyone elses fault that you cant figure that out.

scarfaceclaw wrote: »

I love the way ppl say they didnt cash shop, they just brought 50 charms and merchanted them.

Well didnt you buy those charms from the cash shop in the first place.

You realize you can buy the gold with coins right?

It's pretty simple really: Farming + Merchanting the stuff that has the best returns. Before nirvy came out I used my barb to farm TT. Barbs got first pick back then so I always picked the items that were 1 mil+ and sold them. Back then, 1 mil was about 5 gold, so that's 5 gold per run.

When nirvy came out I made my barb APS (using gear not restating) and farmed nirvy. It was hard to find barb buffs back then in an APS squad (no bloodpaint so it was full squads) so my barb was in demand.

When Sins came out I made one to 100, got R8+10 gear and farmed Nirvy. I was able to afford R8+10 because I had During 2x I made about 100-200 mil a week farming Nirvana.

When Casters nirvy came out I made my wiz to 100 and rank 8. During non 2x I made 1 to 2 mil per day with the 3 talismans you get daily, and during 2x I make 20 milish a day doing 10 casters per day with all my 100 toons opening for them.

This is all in addition to the merchanting I do, which follows the same process. Identify the new-best thing and merchant that until something new comes along. This is all WITHOUT spending anything on the game in RL.

Every time the forums complain about something ruining the economy, I make more money, because it means new oportunities for me while they complain about the market changing.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

GOOD merchants are alot richer than cashshoppers dude b:bye

Is true in part. I know many ppl that have 6-7 catshop open 24/7 and is a nice system for make coins. You not spend cashing game yes but u should pay a heavy electricity bill. But if you live with parents not is a problem they can still pay it for you.

If ppl have a catshop 24/7 on multiclient is plausible the have a goos PC and a good PC adsotb 500 Kw /h with the cost of energy in some country you can cash game for r9 in 2 months spending the same.

Anyway all merchandising in based on speculation you have to invest spending always less then your selling price. This system can work only till will be cash shopper. A stupid exemple if no 1 sell gold how do you think to buy item from boutique. Another point is if we are all good merchants the common target is not spend but gain coins ergo no 1 wanna sell cheap each other and all want take profit = economy stalled.

We talk about mechandising but almost all money of game come from 2 specific way

Gold = cash players
Coins = TW faction leader (big notes)

the merchant is just a channel that could also be skipped.

I don't have full R9, but In about 3 months I merched enough money to buy full NV3 before nation wars and +10 my weapon. In addition, I bought my sin a pair of NV3 daggers and +10'd it as well.

How I did all that in 3 months? Merching.

You have no idea how many idiots are there playing this game, especially the csers who gets items through packs who have absolutely 0 idea what it's worth.

For example, when new flyer tokens came out, immediately the prices of these flyers shot up to 120m each.

I probably bought at least 6 of those flyers for 30-50m each and resold them for 120m each in 2-3 weeks time.

Another example, when Dark Lord Fashion came out, the prices for these were 100m for the full set.

I bought at least 4 sets for 30m-50m each and resold them in a weeks time.

So you see, I did all this without farming TT or spamming nirvana. It took absolutely no effort at all, except AFK-ing in a catshop all day selling stuff. I recently haven't upgraded any of my gear due to school, but during summer I went from 0 to full NV3, 2 G16 weps (500 raps), and other G14-15 gear such as Wings of Cloud Charger and Warsong belt...etc

Moral of the story: Make profit off of idiots.