Why change Fairy Boxes/Keys?

Ois - Lost City wrote: »

What if you had to do TT to collect your reward from BH? Would you still feel that way?

I spy someone who wasn't around when BH Lunar used to be BH TT 3-3 b:chuckle

Imma leave this here since last time it was in the middle of another batch of topics.

truekossy wrote: »

My only real problem with Fairy Box keys is simple: you're still limited to 6 fairy boxes per day per account with them.

If that restriction were to be removed so that any character on your account could open fairy boxes they obtained as long as they had the fairy box key (and maybe if Fairy boxes or the keys became account stashable to go along with this) then that would be fine. Hell, you could even lower the restriction to six fairy boxes per day per CHARACTER and it would be better than the way it is now. People who wanted to open their boxes would need to do more than TT but it would be rewarded.

However with the current implementation, all it does is add extra annoyance. I do BHs and TTs on multiple characters on the same account. At least before I wasn't dedicating two inventory spaces to fairy box related things and could open on whichever character I felt like. Now that on top of the previous restrictions I need to get the keys to do it AND they use up a regular inventory spot instead of being sensible and going in... say... quest inventory? At least if it didn't waste the inventory space on top of keeping the old restrictions it wouldn't be as annoying and in quest inventory you'd have essentially the same function but without the strain on inventory.


And before anyone mentions the big problem with quest inventory items, I'm aware of that but that's why the devs need to either get off their collective ***** and learn how to actually do things right or the introduction of keys should have removed the previous limits on the boxes and made the amount you can open rely solely on the amount of keys you have.

Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »

What about if your 10m banknotes got locked up and u have to do a WQ to unlock one b:shutup

Then I'll have to corner the market on tele stones to make WQ faster. b:pleased

Ois - Lost City wrote: »

I was here but I didn't do BH at 100...

...didn't I just say that? I don't do BH.

So if there is bh 3-3 again, you would solo a boss that gives a bh reward but you would on purpose not take the bh because "I don't do bh" b:bye

Ois - Lost City wrote: »

Are you unfamiliar with TT? There is more than one instance in there...

And yes you are correct I would not take BH 3-3 for farming because I can not farm it.

If they gave me a BH for the instances I can farm then yes, I would take the BH. It's pretty simple, you're just trying to make this much more complicated than it actually is...

I farm certain instances of TT regularly. Because I can. Because I choose to. Because it is profitable.

I do not do BH with noob squads. Because I don't want to. Because I choose not to. Because it is not profitable for me.

BH isn't profitable? Say whaaaat? In the amount of time it would take to find a BH squad that wasn't noob I could have already farmed TT.

Is this not simple enough for you? I'm beginning to think you might be a walmart greeter or something. b:shutup

Ditto +1

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

Fuzzy basically sees this as the answer that sums up this thread.

Both TT and BH on their own reward individual things. (Mats from TT and chips, socket stones, coin cards etc from BH) The drops from TT can be sold on the market to earn a profit. If you get lucky with a BH reward you can make a profit.

Those who only farm Twilight are going to be stuck with a pile of boxes they can't open and those who only run bounty hunts are going to have stacks of useless keys. The others, who run both actually get a bit of a bigger reward for their effort in the way of an extra 36 mirage stones per day for actually participating in more than one single aspect of the game.

The panda sees no problem at all with giving a little extra to those who take larger advantage of what is offered in the way of gameplay instead of running only the same thing, be it BH or TT, and ignoring other aspects.

Want a bigger reward? Pull the finger out and put in a bit of a bigger effort. b:bye

you say it like you get tons of money doing tts? not anymore with chips sale up every month. people don't buy gold mats anymore they always chip them since they cheaper to do so. green mats don't even sell. it's trouble some when u do highest TT in game (3-3) and u get nothing from doing it since 1. all green mats never sell 2. gold mats never sell due to chips sale which bring us to 3 fairy boxes useless for farmers now. so i dnt see a point of doing tts anymore. you worrying too much about botting when people can simply run their BHs 100 on their 20 alts and get 100x the money you get from fairy boxes. now this what you should worry about not 360k worth of coins. b:bye

Faerii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you say it like you get tons of money doing tts?

I_willscrewU - Sanctuary wrote: »

but also the frustration of the players, we want it all the easiest way possible. ..

To reply to the 1st quote, the TT farmers in this thread seem to be implying the only profit they can make is through the 360k per day from mirages... All mats are worthless? Maybe that has something to with the 1000 other like minded players on every server who want to solo the same Twilight instances and sell the mats. Fuzzy is sorry to burst the bubble for any one farmer however, you arn't the only one of your server doing so. Maybe that 360k might help maybe not. Maybe you are farming the wrong TT mats. Maybe you need to manufacture the gear and sell that instead of direct mats, maybe not. Maybe you actually can't solo the highest instance boss's that drop the profitable mats. Perhaps thats why those mats are still profitable. Maybe not.


But as far as Fuzzy can see from those who farm TT the complaint is just "QQ am loosing 360k" or "have a pile of stuff that taking inventory space".


Sorry, but no matter what, the panda sticks to his earlier post. Want max reward? Put in max effort and do TT and BH. Too much of one or the other will result in pile of useless on either side of the equation. Too many box's or too many keys.

How about actually using one character to play a well rounded taste of everything? In doing so the whole problem of this thread wouldn't even be an issue.

Ois - Lost City wrote: »

Also why should my play style have to conform to fuzzy's? Just because I don't roleplay as a blanket doesn't make my opinion less valid. Keys only hurt farmers. So if fuzzy doesn't farm TT then of course fuzzy doesn't care.

i lol'd

To comment on several points, starting with the whole key/restriction ittues.

I find it funny how hard ppl make multiclienting seem. I got quite poor comp but I`ve had 4 clients on(on 3 servers total), vent client & vent bot & browser with ~7 tabs open eating chunk of my comps running ability. I have no doubt I could handle 6 client the same time if I chose to do so and I really am under "average" comp so to say. I could easily level loads of sin accounts to 70 if I chose to as I can solo FC quite easily. The means some ppl make seem ridiculous arent hard at all to have.

TT is most of all instance that drops mats, the mirages into boxes change actually upped mirage rewards quite a bit if my memory serves me correctly. To me mirages were never the intended reward(A little something bonus) of the instance and they never should be. If your income of TT consists of mirages - You are doing something wrong.

During the last longer 2x, me and wifey duo`d TT1-1 and farmed ~15 TT60 weps to sell for later. Well I mostly soloe`d, she was just opening while studying. Well on archo the prices do be dumb, we ended up with average of bit over 500k per wep, selling pair of 2 sock daggers for 2m. So we made, in it`s essence, 2m+14x0.5m=9m in under 2h. And that`s from the easiest instance of them all. Had I gone for higher weps, I coulda gotten quite a bit more.

Think of world economy, the countries which sell the raw materials tend to be on the bottom of foodchain while the ones manufacturing products tend to be doing quite well. in comparison. Really, if you mindlessly farm the over farmed bosses for mats - You really arent gonna make much of a profit. And complaining how golds wont sell cause of chips... You ever thought of selling under the chipping price? I sure as heck wont go chip mats if I can get em cheaper from others.

If TT is something you enjoy to farm, then do it and dont complain bout profit. If profit is a problem, find something else to farm. I find cube at times frustrating but it`s profitable so I do it, same with BHs and selling FCs. And really, if you make some personal stand bout not doing BHs for keys, it really is your own problem. If you can seriously solo, how I`d say, high end TT bosses, then doing BH should be a joke for your gear. And no, you dont have to sit next to BH guy while forming, I always do my morai/base dailies while waiting for squad to form/put my barb into "only need barb" squads.

Ps. I should start QQ thread bout how I forgot to TT during last 2x and I`m outta boxes...

I'd much prefer to be able to ru TT without "requiring" some sin or other AFK-APS-class.

Lol @ this whole idea of devalued TT being due to the stupid keys.

i think that they should put it back to how it used to be...because theres not many people plaing perfect world anymore and those who do, they are all fc babys and dont do bhs anymore, its very difficult to find squads for bhs...b:surrender

I don't think they will change that anytime soon.

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

O-M-G bump for freaken forum spam.
Also Keys suck. There is no pro-key side to this debate. None.

Its the same principle, can only open 6 a day yay