Why change Fairy Boxes/Keys?

Master_Hung - Heavens Tear

Those Keys Suck big time n still have many Fairy Box..........

and *** those opening Limits...... 6per day.......... and + keys total Mind ***

AliceAdams - Lost City

For once, I actually find myself agreeing with the angry mob.

The keys are incredibly pointless. They take up a spot in my cupboard. Those of us who need help to get through HH never actually get any of the fairy boxes.

Granted, I could always sell the keys I have, but with my luck that'd be the day I get a stack of fairy boxes. Plus, at only one coin a piece, it's not worth it.

I get that you want people to play ALL of the game, but you're doing it wrong. You could at least give out keys on roll call for those who don't do bounty hunters. Or switch the keys from BH to RC. Maybe take away the blessing boxes from RC (does anyone actually use those? Facebook blessings are so much better) and put the keys there instead.

I just think that, once again, you had options, and picked the worst possible one for everyone involved.

OIdpop - Heavens Tear

yeah i think if we should have to use freakin keys then there should be no dang limit on how many boxes to open a day,should be able to keep opening until you run out of boxes or keys.

But it does force people to do bh if you want to open boxes.


and i noticed more botting around.most are sins.b:victory

Olbaze - Sanctuary

AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »

The keys are incredibly pointless. They take up a spot in my cupboard. Those of us who need help to get through HH never actually get any of the fairy boxes.

As far as I'm concerned, the keys achieve a neat function. When it comes to TT, most people who do it during 2x are soloing it. Most of these soloers will then proceed to afk until the next 2x, as they got enough boxes to last until then. Not to mention that the boxes also cover daily expenses. Also, since the keys need BH, it stops people from running their alts to the instance to pick up boxes. Not many will bother with that if it means they have to do BH for the alt as well.

As for the limit of 6 boxes per day, that's also a good thing, as it slows down the rate at which Mirage Celestones are introduced to the market. That keeps their price just a wee bit above the NPC price, as it should be for an item that is used in mass quantities.

I get that you want people to play ALL of the game, but you're doing it wrong. You could at least give out keys on roll call for those who don't do bounty hunters. Or switch the keys from BH to RC. Maybe take away the blessing boxes from RC (does anyone actually use those? Facebook blessings are so much better) and put the keys there instead.

I use those blessings and will keep using them. Reason I do that is because I simply do not want anything at all to do with Facebook. Hell, even I did, I still wouldn't take the blessing because I am fundamentally against getting in-game aids for doing stuff out-game.

And before you talk about it gimping me: I have no trouble whatsoever doing any of the tasks I do regularly, which include BH100 on a daily basis, Cube of Fate on a daily basis, 5+ Nirvana runs every day during 2x in 5aps squads, duoing FCC with people on my flist, duoing Treasure Hunter Level 5 maps with a barb.

I do get some people asking me why I don't use it, but they tend to not push on the issue considering that I'm a 5aps +10 sin who regularly uses Subsea and Power Dash.

SoulBlaydez - Dreamweaver

In my opinion, here is what it all boils down to. Far before keys for fairy boxes were introduced, the in-game economy was already in trouble. Now, though it may not be related to the keys being required to open fairy boxes, TT mats are harder to sell, bottom line. So, if someone farms TT for a day, and gets a bunch of TT mats that they need to sell and can't because of the difficulties that have arisen, then they rely on the fairy boxes for their income on that day, even if it is rather small for a day (360k a day per character). Now that an item that comes from something other than TT is required to open these boxes, it makes things that much more difficult for a farmer. Farming in this game is, for the most part, an honest trade, and now has been ruined by various gameplay changes. Not everyone likes doing BH, mostly because there is no guarantee that you'll find a good squad to do BH with. I personally have 20 fairy boxes that I procured before the requirement of keys became an issue, and I would like the ability to open them without doing something that I may not be able to do. I know many people who refuse to do BH's because it is hard to find a squad that knows what they are doing. Not only that, but they also choose to farm TT as a major source of income. With the difficulties in selling TT mats, they sometimes need the fairy boxes, even if it is a 6 per day deal. The keys are just a slap to the face for TT farmers and make it that much more difficult to get anywhere in the game from a certain point. Now if you actually do BH and are able to find good squads often, then good for you! This just isn't the case for everybody, and the fact that the dev's have forced an unwanted burden on everyone, even if it only affects a certain player base is just asinine. They could at least make the keys be earned in a different way, say through a Daily Quest that doesn't prove difficult to do for players sometimes (like Crazy Stone perhaps). But, honestly, this should have never been an issue in the first place. The thick and thin of it is that keys for fairy boxes is an unnecessary feature that hinders a large player base's gameplay.

Azura - Lost City

I agree with this, not everyone likes to do or can do BH, but they can do things on their own.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I agree with this, not everyone likes to do or can do BH, but they can do things on their own.

So you're saying that there are people who:
A) have the time to solo TT
have 1-3 willing friends/faction mates
C) Don't have the time to do BH
D) Don't have enough friends/faction mates to organize a BH squad?
E) have enough time to solo TT to get a significant amount of Fairy Boxes?

If so, I'm calling bull**** on you. Soloing squadmode TT takes longer than a BH. If you have enough friends/faction mates to open TT, sure you got enough to organize a BH. If not, then either:
A) You're much higher level than most members of your faction
Your faction is filled with morons

In the case of A), you're either being a dumbass or helpful. If you're helpful, you wouldn't be soloing TT, you would be organizing faction TTs.
In the case of , you need to get a new faction

So the only thing I can think of is not liking BH. And that's just your personal opinion. If everything in the game went according to the whims of a few people, we would be playing a different game every week.

And for the record, BH is mostly idiot proof. The only thing that can really **** up a BH is having worse-than-average gear across the board. Pulling in Delta? Delta is 86+, can be done a barb in TT90s. Pulling in Warsong? Can be done with veno/mystic/seeker/barb/bm/zeal. Pulling Lunar? Not necessary, just makes it faster. Tanking Seat/Abaddon/Metal? Unless you have a barb or a well-geared DD, you're screwed.

SoulBlaydez - Dreamweaver

It isn't just the fact that some people don't like BH, it is the fact that it doesn't get you money WHICH is very much need in this game, and that the keys are penalizing those who don't do BH by taking a way another feature that gets them money WHICH, again, is very much needed in this game, unless you cash shop your way through the game. Bottom line, requiring fairy keys is a penalty, whether the dev's meant it to be or not, that is how many players view it, and therefore they should be removed or at least easier to get for those who choose not to do BH. It's as simple as that.

Empu - Sanctuary

SoulBlaydez - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It isn't just the fact that some people don't like BH, it is the fact that it doesn't get you money WHICH is very much need in this game, and that the keys are penalizing those who don't do BH by taking a way another feature that gets them money WHICH, again, is very much needed in this game, unless you cash shop your way through the game.

If 36 mirages a day is a big penalty to solo TT, you're either not well geared enough for TT to be your most efficient money maker (you're doing it for fun, so why complain?), or not paying attention to the matts fluctuations. Honestly, to those who consider 36 mirages a day is a big difference, I can't encourage more to actually do bh.

I don't think the keys are great, but they are the result of yet other abuse attempts and maybe a sort of incentive to do more then just 1 thing. Like ppl already stated, they "force" those who TT a lot to also bh. But also tempt those who do only bh to do TT.

Yes, on 2 I got more boxes then keys, while on others I got tons of keys and no boxes. But the only thing what bothers me about the keys is that they didn't put it as quest item to save my inventory/bank space.

SoulBlaydez - Dreamweaver

But, like the OP has already stated, why should we have work to use something that we've already worked to get in the first place. It's like working one job for a paycheck, then having to work another job just to cash that check. Would you want to do that in real life? I wouldn't, and so I shouldn't have to. Again, there are other solutions to this issue that would please both sides. I wouldn't mind the keys so much if there were other ways to get them, like through other daily quests or maybe even as a DQ reward. If your argument is to get people to want to do everything, then make everything an option instead of just BH. I would gladly try other things other than just TT, but I, and many others do not happen to like BH, and so they should give other options.

AliceAdams - Lost City

@Olbaze

I feel a little dumb, as I had forgotten that many people don't use Facebook. I have a personal page and a business page, but I rarely use either these days. I just assumed most people would at least set up a **** page to get the week long blessings, instead of the ones that only last 30 minutes.

I think one factor that's being overlooked is that, at least on Lost City, most people only want to frost. That's it. (to be fair I think they also want to do NV) Those that want to do other things are often disappointed by the rewards. I've heard from several people that they've stopped doing their high level BH runs because all they EVER get are mysterious chips.

Another viable option that would still require a lot of work, but could be done solo, would be to offer the keys on the paperclip (world) quest. With my starter wings, it took me about 2-3 hours (depending on afk time lol). There's no chance of it costing more money in repairs, or losing exp from dying. Granted I spend a little teleporting to a few spots to save time, but even that's not necessary.

And in all honesty, it's not much different on time than spending an hour trying to form a squad, then another hour doing a bh run.

ETA: Also, offering them on cube of fate runs would be lovely.

I guess my whole point is that there are all sorts of daily quests that they could've offered the keys on. Hell, even crazy stone.

dog10240

I think the simple solution to this is REMOVE 6 A DAY OPENING LIMIT. Another space taken up in my bank/inventory for a stupid item that I have a LOT of that I will never get rid of because I don't run TT daily and when I do the chests are random to whoever gets them half the time, and I run BH daily or stack them for every 2 or 3 days for Ectasy/Excitement card. Bad enough I gotta deal with other BS items that take up space, this made no sense truly and honestly.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

While I regularly do all of my BHs simply because I enjoy them, I do agree that you shouldn't *have* to do them in order to use drops from another instance. I personally have problems finding BH squads with certain classes, and have often had to give up after using 15+ teles trying to make one and not being able to find anyone that can tank/heal, so it isn't like it is always an easy thing to do. Not to mention the fact that since 2x started I have mostly been unable to get squads at all, since everyone is in Nirvana and FF. I have made a few of my own and they were difficult to fill. (Time of day also seems to be key, and when I am only available to play in the evenings I can rarely get or make a squad.) And this is only BH100... the lower level BHs are even harder now with everyone in FF. I mostly give up on finding squads for my alts and run my own, which not everyone can do.

I agree that keys should be made a part of Roll Call, WQ or even from a new NPC with some small daily quest. That would also save me the hassle of having to go NPC the keys after every BH to free up the inventory space, since I rarely am in TT.

And also.... necroed on page 9 and kept going anyway. o.o

TCHP - Lost City

I think it's just fine like it is, find some other way to make coins, people abuse this system and that's why we have limit and keys now.

Abuse something else !

bakvas

TCHP - Lost City wrote: »

I think it's just fine like it is, find some other way to make coins, people abuse this system and that's why we have limit and keys now.

Abuse something else !

LOL! there is already a limit of 6Fairy box/day no matter how many u have then whats the use of those key???

they were not needed!!!!!

just making things irritating b:angry

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Why don't we just put it back to when the TT bosses dropped mirages instead of boxes with them inside. This prevents coin abuse and people don't have to complain about keys. Problem solved. b:victory

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »

And in all honesty, it's not much different on time than spending an hour trying to form a squad, then another hour doing a bh run.

I understand that it may take up to 1 hour to find a squad if you are **** geared and am dependent on others to pull up the slack. But there is a more serious problem if any BH run takes anywhere near 1 hour.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

All the things you guys are listing as alternatives do NOTHING that encourages squad play with others. New players can't find squads, so they are giving incentives now to play with them. If you don't like it, you aren't forced to do it. You can just do the runs for mats. Which used to be the reason people ran them back when you only got loose mirages and they just wen to the subber because there really wasn't that many of them, they just paid for the cost of the sub.

Also +1 post count.

TCHP - Lost City

bakvas wrote: »

LOL! there is already a limit of 6Fairy box/day no matter how many u have then whats the use of those key???

they were not needed!!!!!

just making things irritating b:angry

Because has a high lv veno friend pointed out to me, Before the key came in, people would solo HH and get a bunch of chest, make it you get 12 chest in 1 run maybe more on 2x, then you have enough gear to make multiple run and do 6 run in your day. Average to 10 chest each run you get 60 chest, make it 60x6 mirage that's 360 mirage, then you can sell em for 12k for 4.32 mil, or npc them at 10k ea for 3.2 mil, in any case it was to easy coins adding the HH drop to the mix.

Now what about a sin R9+12 that can just load and load the same HH for a few hours only killing the easy bosses and get event more chest ...

There was abuse, they fix it, mainly cause you could npc the mirage and get nice money from it. At very low cost.

You have to remember that They don't want a huge income of coins in the game to keep price from rising, ( so they say ).

Well IMO it's the way I see it

mogwai

make mirages and keys npcable for 5K each, also make keys tradeable

OR...make boxes and keys npcable for 5K each making keys tradeable, but mirages themselves still npcable for 10K each.




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