Solo defending warsong pavilions

me and a few others have noticed as well that its become harder to defend a pavillon.

when the mobs suicide, they take ~90% of ur hp, means it doesnt matter whether u got 20k or 10k, 90% will still be gone

also, the mobs purge (didnt notice that b4 the descent update)
happened so far in water, earth and metal for me
+ got new buffs, like the "increased defense when hit with melee"

just make sure u aint close to w/e mob when it says "let's die together" > "channeling" of suicide-atk
altho i must say that the suicide in water doesnt hurt at all (least for me)

They amped elemental resistances in warsong and the bh's 100s. Also, mages to more damage in warsong now as well. Just what I've noticed. b:cute

Huh, didn't seem harder to me. *Checks weapon and robe*

Oh, right. b:laugh

I only have two comments to make. I play it on my bm, naturally dd is much easier on bm.

1) You know the flower pot in the middle. You walk away from the npc, turn left, go a bit ahead, flower pot thingy in the middle, taking up space. While you are facing it, and mobs are coming to you, they will always, always take your left side. If you are trying to catch a mob that sneaks by, it helps cut down the distance.

The NPC spawn point, to until where you turn left, if the flames are active around the npc, mobs will get auto agro on npc by the flames. Have to make sure to keep the new mobs out of that flame range. You have agro skills, makes it a bit easier, i just use aoe on bm or ranged skill.

2) As soon as you see the text above the mob's head, move away, 6~12 meters. You have 2~3 seconds to move away. I use leap back skill. The mob will not follow you. The will explode on the spot and count towards your kill count. No need to use ad, spark, or other things to help yourself.

As a bm i rarely have more than one mob, if i do it is by design and i am triple sparking to kill 2~3 quickly. Your damage per hit is greater than mine, our hp is very different. I have 9k with deicides on, and i get hit for 7~8k when they explode. I hit for 2k, so in 1~2 seconds i hit for 10~15k, same hit as yours. Depending on my aps.

In short, just have to practise and learn new things, just takes time. I never got to see your weapon refine, but it looks like you have amazing gear b:pleased. If having trouble, ask other people for help. We hardly ever let a barb solo a pavillion, even if barb is r9 +10, sage. Squishes like me work out.

Head can be slept, stunned, knocked back, sealed, pushed back. I usually agro it, kill a few mobs, let the head reset by the apes. I run back until mobs catch up, kill 1~2 mobs, and sprint back to npc. By that time, head is coming close to npc. I agro it, sprint again as the first mob is coming. Take it over the bend, spark, and in the mean time 2nd mob is there. Kill both mobs, agro head, and move towards ape again.If i feel like it, i agro the head inbeween. That is a personal choice on how to run the head.

Other people might have more tips for you, hope this helps a bit.

read th red notes carefully: http://eisregen.guildlaunch.com/gwiki/index.php?page_name=Warsong_City

and maybe check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOd5QxO9R7k

btw. all monsters in the instance have an 30% hp boost, anyone know if this will still be present when doing the pre-stage(pill) quest?

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm sure many of us have done it before, I being one of them. I've collected many waistband inscriptions in the past, and 12 more since Imperial Fury update. However, it might just be me - it might just be the changes in the game - but it seems as though soloing the pavillions has become... more difficult. Before Imperial Fury I've done full warsongs soloing earth pav as both vit and 2.86 base decide +5 aps barb. I've since restatted after finishing 2 stage 2 nirvana pieces +7, and have since upgraded my helmet from g12 dominating waterforce to g15 stage 1 +7. Unsparked I'm confident I'm doing as much damage or more than I used to on aps build, and I have more hp and defense. But I'm having more difficulty now and was wondering if you guys have any suggestions. I've uploaded a couple of YT vids, the first is 2x speed audio swapped with captions. the second is uncut. if you check the related videos theres one of a sin doing earth pavilion, but he/she doesnt take as much damage as i do when the mobs go suicidal. Any thoughts regarding that?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvMpfKEMV6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyZl1b94mRc

Didn't we have this discussion before about.. 3 weeks ago?.... b:embarrass

The pavilion split is best as following

Fire - Mage
Metal - Archer
Earth Wood and Water - Melee DD (Usually the tank and cleric if tank is barb go to earth)

The only difference between then and now is the mobs also can purge. They usually say in common chat something along the lines of "I'm taking you with me!" when tehy are going to suicide and then just run away as they will die shortly. I recommend at least 8k hp buffed toons and then depending on what pav they take how much defense they should have.

bladerunnerdm wrote: »

check the pdef, mdef and elements of the pavilion specific monsters and you see why...

I've run it that way for quite some time with no issues. The metal mobs are physical range which is perfect for archers. The Fire is magic range. The other 3 pavilions are melee physical. I've run it on multiple classes doing the pavilion with the class I recommended just fine -_-

bladerunnerdm wrote: »

Pavilion of Fire:
+ pdef = 1800, mdef = 1192, metal = 0

Pavilion of Metal:
+ pdef = 7508, mdef = 1192, water+fire+earth = 0

fire has lower pdef and is weak to metal - good for archers bad for wizards
metal has high pdef and is weak to water, fire and earth - good for wizards bad for archer

sure if you have the musclepower you can solo any pavilion no matter what class but if you don't you should use brainpower...

lol you're looking purely at the defensive aspect and ignored the offense aspect... We were running full warsongs for quite sometime in just Nirvana / TT99 gear. No R9 or anything -_-.

The archer can easily kill those metal mobs in less then 15~20 shots. And if you're going for Nirvana 3rd cast or R92R I'm pretty sure your gears not going to be complete ****.

bladerunnerdm wrote: »

so its better for an r9 archer to fight the mobs with 7k pdef instead 2k pdef?

sometimes it's just easier to admit beeing wrong...

Again you're looking purely at the defensive point of it. And ya considering the "R9 archer" can just group them STA and kill them in like 10 shots. that pdef factor is so small and inconsequential. Or would you rather have the arcane class spamming Crab meats and risking charm ticks to kill it?

You forget to note... Archers have Blazing Arrow buffs

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Again you're looking purely at the defensive point of it. And ya considering the "R9 archer" can just group them STA and kill them in like 10 shots. that pdef factor is so small and inconsequential. Or would you rather have the arcane class spamming Crab meats and risking charm ticks to kill it?

You forget to note... Archers have Blazing Arrow buffs

archers can do exactly the same on fire
wiz can group in metal and db

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Archers would have to skill spam metal skills to do the same thing on fire. Where as a Cleric could just use theirs... or I don't know the arcane class can just cast spells since the Mdef is lower then the Pdef anyways?

Can't exactly DB on ranged physical mobs when you also have a hex head chasing you. Please use your braincells you claim to have.

archers can do exactly the same in fire as they do in metal don't see any difference, both monsters are ranged

and i agree if you have archer+cleric it's better to send cleric to fire but if you have wiz+cleric or wiz+archer it's definitely better to send the wiz to metal

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

idk...

I've always done warsong with melees on water/wood/earth

fire: archer
metal: mage/psy

when we first started doing warsongs, it was a mage that was the first toon I ever met that could solo metal - the archer we had with us could not. archers are light armored, thus usually have a pretty even balance of pdef and mdef - therefore should have no issues with the magic damage of fire - and since they will do more damage to them --- it just makes sense to put them on fire pavillion.

Mages get stone barrier, vanguard spirit, aura of the golden bell... keeping them decently protected against the physical damage of the metal pav mobs, who are most susceptible to the elements a wizard attacks with.

You were asking questions about it. And I gave an answer to it. The Blazing Arrow easily will make up the pdef gap since they have no fire resistance. And while yes a wizard will have quite a sufficient amount pdef with demon stone stacked with bell and vanguard, but you can't always depend to have a wizard in your squad. I'm just going with what I saw gave us the best results from doing it for the challenge of it.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't see the point of discussion around this. It is the most classic distribution of the pavillions. It doesn't mean there is no other way or that with some specific players another distribution would be preferable.

For instance, I know a barb who always want to do Wood and a wizard who always wants to do Metal. Sometimes gear forces to another setup, like if you got a r9+12 cleric and a wizard with r8+5, you'll have the cleric defend and the wizard join the barb. I always team up the cleric with the least experienced or weakest geared person, because the barb I usually go with is perfectly capable of defending pavilion on his own.

Shouldn't turn a general guideline into an unbreakable rule and then look for the flaws... Most important in defending pavilions is simply the habit. I've seen average geared players do way better then full r9s, simply because they got more experience.

Yes I agree with that, the OP was expressing concern about the changes of warsong. I made a comment and mentioned what I suggested what to use for the set up. My guideline was attacked so I defended it. I think that is a fair and valid reason for us to debate maturely about it. ;p

I'm not saying other options aren't do-able I was just giving a general reasoning behind mine.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

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My guideline was attacked so I defended it.
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that makes it sounds like you're right with

metal - archer
fire - mage

but regarding to monster attributes and abilities and class skills:

metal - mage
fire - archer

is more effective than vice versa