Heavy gear or Light gear :/ ?

HA sins are something to laugh at. If you like making people laugh: make HA sin.

the best sin build you're ever gonna get is: 1 str 4 dex per lvl so cap your str at 104 or 105 if you are going for r9 gear. HA sin is not worth the trouble trust me wear light armor. And most assassins cannot solo TT at level 60, but it's cake on my mystic at 60.

Cinderball - Raging Tide wrote: »

Pure dex build before 100 is often a bad idea. Unless the sin has the shards and refines to back that build up, they'll end up kissing the floor when a boss so much as glances their way more often than not. The vast majority of lowbie sins are better off with 50+ vit and restatting to pure once they get the coin to get decent gear and refines.

Soloing any TT on a sin won't be very feasible until you get your 3 spark. Even then, you'll almost certainly be limited to single mode TT or portions of 1-x squad mode until you get into endgame territory.

As for going HA, I myself have been a HA sin for the past year and I enjoy it because it suits my CoTD playstyle best. However, its not worth the effort if you want to go for an endgame APS build for farming TT because if you want more defense than LA can offer, you have to drop to a lower APS or be stuck wearing the r8 top and LA wrists + boots or evasion ornaments. No matter what you do, if you want maximum -int, you'll have similar defenses, less damage, and less crit than a LA build. At lower levels, its even worse because you can't get enough +stat adds from gear to wear armor and daggers for your level.

Unfortunately the hp gained from adding 50 vit doesn't really outweigh the loss of bloodpaint heals offered by having 50 more dex after about level 60 and for most of us an 8m coin restat for an almost null amount of survivability isn't worth it. After around 60+ your damage and survivability start to catch up and damage output starts healing you and gives you more survivability than having latent hp.

Sins are squishy and they're melee. It's a rough combo but it also forces you to learn how to survive using skill, not hp buffers. Part of this is knowing your class, part of it is taking the time to add +2 - +3 to your gear and shards as your level it and not just neglect gear because you added vitality.

To the OP: your stats are fine. Just don't stat any more strength for the next 35 levels and go all dex. Then keep your str 4 points higher than your level.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unfortunately the hp gained from adding 50 vit doesn't really outweigh the loss of bloodpaint heals offered by having 50 more dex after about level 60 and for most of us an 8m coin restat for an almost null amount of survivability isn't worth it. After around 60+ your damage and survivability start to catch up and damage output starts healing you and gives you more survivability than having latent hp.

Sins are squishy and they're melee. It's a rough combo but it also forces you to learn how to survive using skill, not hp buffers. Part of this is knowing your class, part of it is taking the time to add +2 - +3 to your gear and shards as your level it and not just neglect gear because you added vitality.

To the OP: your stats are fine. Just don't stat any more strength for the next 35 levels and go all dex. Then keep your str 4 points higher than your level.

I know that before I acquired my TT70 armor, sharding and refining my armor was a waste of coin because the coin invested was not worth the amount of time it was useful for and the HP from shards and refines didn't stack up to what vit gave. Most people asking for help in the forums are going to be newish players that can't afford to do that sort of thing at those levels. For them, it probably would be better to stat some vit and save their coin to put decent shards and refines in TT or legendary armor they can use for a while.

So having 650 more hp to a 2-4k hp pool from levels 60-90 is almost null survivability? The +2-3 refines and shards on 8x armor give about the same amount so why not just focus only on the weapon instead for more paint heals? Many sins looking for advice end up drawing conclusions along those lines and that is why there are so many BHs and FCs with two shot sins that spend more time dead than attacking. If you are the kind of lowbie sin that is charmed or can spam pots, genie, or apoth when you take aggro to give the cleric time to heal you and the tank time to take aggro or are able to tank yourself, you are fine as a pure build. Otherwise you'll have to hold back on your DDing and the vit build sin will likely end up doing more damage because they can better handle taking aggro.

Bloodpaint becomes good against normal mobs at 59 with 2 spark but it doesn't truly shine for sins in instances before 89 because the bloodsucks alone are just too small to save you from the boss. Having 50 vit is 650 more hp and is a large difference especially for lower levels. Lower level pure dex sins have to hold back most of the time in squads anyways or risk dying so even if the damage loss is large, its not really there in practice. Once you get to 9x, you'll have enough dex to where having 50 vit won't be a large loss of damage anyways and the extra HP won't become negligible until you get your armor to +4-5 refines. You don't really need to restat either until you get enough aps and refines to make the reset worthwhile.

When it comes to builds i tend to side with the pure builds. Well you can toss in a few extra str here and there to wear better helms or to wear a warsoul helm earlier.

My logic is 650 hp won't really help you all that much at the expense of the dmg and wasting coin on a restat note if you're on a tight budget. If you knw you can afford it easily then by all means go for vit.

I think wayyyy before all the OP fish were around sins learned to control their dd if they couldn't tank the boss. If you can't tank it then just ease off on dd and hit ss or rib.
Sad that loads of higher lvl sins don't even use rib strike.

Went an fc on my bm *lvl 90 nub* and the 90+ sin didn't knw what ribstrike was or what it did -_-

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »

Some high lvl sins are stupid I was told not to rib or subsea or power dash in nirvana because it didnt do as much damage

I was once told not to use my Sage Rib Strike because the hp debuff nerfs exp... in a squad that had a Bm and an Archer using Deicides.

As for Power Dash and Subsea, that's a bit of a weird territory. For example, Subsea isn't that much better than Extreme Poison, unless it's Sage or Demon version, so using Power Dash there would be better. On the other hand, in a high DPS squad, using Power Dash at all might be a waste: I've experienced using Power Dash only for the boss to die during my channeling because of HF.

And personally, I always prefer to start with Rib Strike, which quite often causes me to miss out on HF since BMs tend to go in, spark, and HF right afterwards.

As for statting vita, I personally didn't do it. My reasoning was pretty clear: before 80ish, you're pretty much only a DD rather than a tank, so the extra vita isn't worth much. After 80, you're in a kind of gray zone until 89, but I don't think statting vita for 9 levels is worth it at all. After 89, your DPS pretty much goes through the roof and you can tank plenty of things without any vita.

HA Sin?

Subtraction - Harshlands wrote: »

her damage isn't great? it's insane

combined with the increased survivability of HA (as well as all the op sin skills)...

i wouldn't want to be fighting against her :c

We had one on RT too, he rolled to LA, and decided recently to go back to Heavy =O

So it's obviously not a bad choice lol

IF you can afford R9 xD

Demon_troll - Harshlands wrote: »

i thought ha would be good on sin, i just wanted to be an idiot and not use LA like I'm supposed to at lower levels...

Sorry demon...

Just to be on topic though, I'm not into the idea of HA armor on a dex-based class. I prefer being classic and using the customized armor for my class (which is LA in this case)...

HA sin is perfectly viable

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

HA is viable IF you have the MDEF to back it up. The sins biggest weakness is magic by default. Putting a Sin in HA fruther makes the Magic gap larger. Yes it would be good against other physical classes, but think about the casters and archers. Now we could argue so many conditional situations in eithers favor. I'm just stating purely statistics.

i think ANY melee class' "weakness by default" is a ranged class...