Streamlining the early-game experience

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The starting city bookmerchants sell the level 1 manufacturing books (if you've completed the appropriate quests), you're thinking of the one in South Arch which sells the level 4 books... again, if you've completed the appropriate quests.

I stand corrected! Info Fox power is too strong.

Oh. how this game is beyond hope now

I have an idea, just shut it down now, instead of making any new people angry/sad that they didn't listen to me a little down the line when you do shut down... ... ...

Oh wait no, not gonna happen, you guys are gonna absolutely milk it for EVERY SINGLE PENNY that you can first, before it actually starts COSTING you guys to run the servers, THEN you will shut it down...

Oh well...

It would be great if people who help with FBs get better rewards. But not only in the low level FBs. Something to motiviate others to help with FBs.

Advertise, seek for new players not old ones making alt chars, also, do more events for low level's only, and we are talking about servers, make them diff day times and not only available for players that come back from work. Set events on every several hours, but advertise, you need to lure game population from other games (non PWE) or motivate new gamers to even play this.


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Reshanta - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also all for shortening the 20-29 cultivation. Or increasing the exp the quests give, because after about lvl25, it's a long grind to 29.

Why would anyone grind under level 60? b:scorn Get some quests.

Niriam - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Deleting optional content is never a good idea.

I didn't mean it literally, I meant that, at the current state of the game, that instance is useless. I hardly see people making squads for it (come to think about it, I haven't saw squads for it on wc for ages!), that's why I said "might as well just delete it".

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A lot of classes with strong aoes solo it for exp. It's not useless at all. it's just not a popular wc instance. This is why it's bad to call for the deletion of optional content just because you personally don't see the use in it.


And i'm seconding/thirding whatever the low level guild thing. I would MUCH MUCH rather see that then a high level mentoring system. When I play on low level chars I get tired of asking high levels for help and then watch as they steamroll through everything. I got to do a level 6x bh51 again for the first time in ages yesterday and it was so much fun. Much more fun than logging in my my cleric to breeze through it or if I have a catshop running asking in wc for a long time only for a bored high level to breeze through it for me.

Think about some of your funnest times on this game. Was it when you were following a high level player around as they quickly cleared an instance for you? Or was it when you leveled up together with some friends and battled your way through?

As I said, I didn't meant to say "delete it" literally, I was just trying to make a point, and I meant useless for squads, which it was the original point of that instance, ijs.

EDIT: Also, I was reffering to PV at lower lvls

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A lot of classes with strong aoes solo it for exp. It's not useless at all. it's just not a popular wc instance. This is why it's bad to call for the deletion of optional content just because you personally don't see the use in it.


And i'm seconding/thirding whatever the low level guild thing. I would MUCH MUCH rather see that then a high level mentoring system. When I play on low level chars I get tired of asking high levels for help and then watch as they steamroll through everything. I got to do a level 6x bh51 again for the first time in ages yesterday and it was so much fun. Much more fun than logging in my my cleric to breeze through it or if I have a catshop running asking in wc for a long time only for a bored high level to breeze through it for me.

Think about some of your funnest times on this game. Was it when you were following a high level player around as they quickly cleared an instance for you? Or was it when you leveled up together with some friends and battled your way through?

I have to agree with you about watching a high lvl barreling through an instance and the low lvl not doing anything but watching. The only reason I think something like a mentor system would be worth while is because it would possibly encourage more high lvls to interact with low lvl strangers. it would also possibly increase the traffic in those otherwise empty low lvl areas.

I do agree the funnest times I had was having a group all the same lvl trying to conquer a instance.

frankie, hope u read this far...

been playing for about a year and a half, cleric was my first character, didnt make my 2nd toon until about 6 months ago. i have 3 now (1 is just storage) so i never got real caught up in the making 50 alts thing.

what i found when i made 2nd character and my ideas:

1. make temp flyer last until lvl 30 then disappear, walking sucked.
2. dont delete 29 culti, just combine parts to shorten.
3. inrease exp/rep a little. shouldn't have to buy rep until later stages.
4. for new players, being poor was horrible. increase grind coin drops?
5. increase fc entrance requirements to lvl 60.
6. how many new players, mains and alts have tons of unfinished quests??? increase exp/spirit some to make worthwhile. also i love the perfect questmaster idea (take it further 300, 400, ect)
7. give high lvls more reason to go to home cities, i used to love looking at them and wishing someday to be like that.
8. encourage more interaction with new players for veterans.
9. make a quest to join a faction early, making friends is important.
10. make a squad finder/maker, this would help new and veteran players come together better.

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greykraken wrote: »

7. give high lvls more reason to go to home cities, i used to love looking at them and wishing someday to be like that.

I was thinking the same thing! If they gave each main city what we go to Archo all the time for, such as the Bounty hunter or Attendance NPCs, only available to that race, it would be a start.

Obvious problems of that can be solved by adding in such things as the ability for the Bounty Hunter to find members of other races that need the same BHs. Maybe like a list of BH squad requests accessible through the BH NPCs.

My personal experience is that the mentor system is more rewarding for higher levels than it is for lowbies. When I reached level 30 in Forsaken World, I saw that I became eligible for Lost Lighthouse. So I qued for the instance and was randomly grouped with 5 other level 30s who have also never ran Lost Lighthouse before. It was a memorable experience but not an experience I would want to participate in again. Its like being stuck in a snow storm inside a log cabin with 5 other people. You talk and share stories but you would never want to be stuck in that situation again. We never finished the instance because we wiped so many times, the server closed the instance on us.

Ive never ran a lowbie instance as a lowbie again. But I have ran lowbie instances as a mentor. And as a mentor, those instances were fun. Basically steamrolled all over those bosses and trashmobs that gave me 2 hours worth of pain. I finish them off in 15 minutes or less. It was a very enjoyable experience. And when its over, I type excellent job guys, goodnight, and then I leave party.

That social interaction is gone, but if that social interaction was worth it to me, I would have continued running pick up groups as a lowbie.

I think whats really nice about the mentor system from the developer's point of view is that those instances dont become pointless anymore. They become part of the player's daily or weekly routine no matter what level that mentor has become. So its no longer just content that was only relevant 2 yrs ago.

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. Make the flying veno/mystic pets follow ground when attacking land mobs.

2. Give venos ranged fly pets, like the mystic have.

3. Fix the graphical errors on fashion tops, when making 'chubby' (female) chars.

4. Fix fly autopathing, to avoid trees and stationary objects.

5. Fix land autopath to follow roads/paths with less mobs nearby.

6. Make chars below lvl 20 (or 30) have an explorer mode, where it is invulnerable (and can't attack). This way you support players that likes to explore from lvl 1.

7. Make it easier to lvl from 90 to 105. This way players can focus on farming rep or other endgame gears. And contribute more to building faction bases and such. This is also supported by the idea that PWI will always be a bot free game.

7. Make more water content. Specifically a training area like cube for land pets and staunch worms for air pets.

8. A better tank water pet than the turtle would be nice (I recommend the: Whitelip Whale)

9. Also in water a ranged pet would be fun to play with.

b:thanks b:heart b:thanks

You forgot to make it so Land Pets don't go poof when they step in a puddle or go through ankle deep water.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

When I first made it to Plume I was overwhelmed with the sheer number of NPCs that were there.

Over time I have to learn a great deal of these NPCs are totally useless and serve no game function whatsoever even though they had a misleading title that made it sound as if they had a function.

-Firework Dealer
-Awards Agent (2 of them)
-Cultivation Trainer
-Beautician
-Black Market Vendor Tu
-Arena Manager
-Homeland Guard

These NPCs do nothing at all. They should just be removed or renamed with a generic name to make it apparent they have no real function.

A good chunk of the other NPCs only have a function for high level players:

-Messenger of Sages
-Martial Arts Master
-Tournament Agent
-Arena Teleporter
-Bookmerchant

These NPCs have limited uses even at high levels and don't need to be in the starter cities.

Agreed, with a few modifications.

The Beautician is for makeover scrolls, has a function.
Homeland guard is for the faction that controls that territory to make apoth items, etc.
The Arena Teleporter is an access to the deathmatch arena, which is useless, but it's a cheap teleport to arch cutting through the cube.
Bookmerchant will sell you even the level 1 manufacturing skill books if you accidentally NPC it before learning it.

The others are very misleading, same with the aerocraft dealers.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

We don't have advance makeover scrolls if that NPC is indeed for them. Cosmetic Master handles the regular makeover scrolls though.

Woops, got those two mixed up.

Well, take beautician off the list of useful npc's then.

Didn't read everything before this point, but here are my thoughts :

For me the problem isn't really the quest themselves 1~30. The only downpoint I see is tideborn and earthguard 1~20 chains being faster then the original ones. I lvled a new toon not that long ago and found that in general, the main improovements chain-wise have been done already :
- The culti has been made significanly shorter. Less kills required and droprates all 100%.
- Free timed flyers.
- Good weapons from box and armor from the timer.
- Extra exp boosts from lucidgold.

Overal, lvling to 30 is rather easy and quick advancing. The only problem is that litterally nobody is around. On my wiz, I saw nobody except in Ether and Arch till lvl35 at least b:shocked That seems to be that way all over the map these days because nothing rivals hyper-fcc in efficiency. Just a pain to get in snowy 1st time, but after you don't have to leave till you're 100.

So, this may be a little limit off-topic, but I'd rather review the lvling 1~80/90+. After you put in an npc to reward questing, it seems you already noticed that the quest rewards are just not incentive enough as they are. So here is a little idea to concider :
Take out hypers out of the boutique and tokenshop. As counterpart, add 1 to 3 hypers as quest reward for all non-cycle quest depending on difficulty/lenght/lvl. I think these hypers should be unable to be traded or accountstashed like some of the free hypers we were given from time to time. But it might be a good idea to keep the normal as it will certainly get some players to make alts just for the easy extra hypers. Since quests get rather rare in higher lvls (lets say 80+ or 90+), it would be a good idea to add a 1 hyper to 1-man-army or something. Or add them to call-to-duty quests as incentive to help others out on FB.

Well, it's just a thought to get maps more populated, because that is the main problem imo. Being all alone on an empty map with nobody around is boring and surely makes any new player who doesn't know what fcc is quit before even reaching lvl10.