Rumors of Nirvana 3rd cast and Rank9 2nd cast

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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I had a long winded explanation of why you aren't supposed to add together independent probabilities but then I remembered I don't actually care.

    After his post right there I've lost care too.
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'll take your word on that, even though I'm not seeing where you get that.

    1/20 * 1/20 * 3/2 = 3 in 800 = 0.00375 = .375% chance errrr hmmmm :S

    That would be -int probability * -int probability * two out of three spots needed to fill to get two -ints. I haven't done probabilities in a long while so I could still be rusty.

    ^from post on other page^
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  • Ayainity - Heavens Tear
    Ayainity - Heavens Tear Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I can just see the discussion that led to this....


    "This rank 9 sale is really popular in the U.S. we've brought in a huge profit this quarter."

    "but people are complaining that it's too game breaking"

    "well how about we introduce a way to reforge nirvana gear to be as powerful as rank 9? The necessary materials will only be available from packs of course."

    "That's great! But the people who already have rank 9 may complain..."

    "Not to worry! We'll just let them use the same materials to reforge their rank 9 into gear that's even more game breaking!"


    "...Brilliant."

    b:bye

    I died laughing! LMAO!
  • Zalislia - Lost City
    Zalislia - Lost City Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    they just have to make a gear that dosent have nothing to do whit $ / coins /gold
    untradable maths for it
  • AuroraTear - Archosaur
    AuroraTear - Archosaur Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I cede.. I cede.... Like I said. I'm not a math wiz.

    Any word on what the bow's like???

    Im still extremely sad about the daggers......... Give me 40 attck lvls with my old stats I'd be a very happy sin. BUt whatever.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    AuroraTear - Archosaur wrote: »
    I cede.. I cede.... Like I said. I'm not a math wiz.

    Any word on what the bow's like???

    Im still extremely sad about the daggers......... Give me 40 attck lvls with my old stats I'd be a very happy sin. BUt whatever.

    Are you demon or sage?
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  • AuroraTear - Archosaur
    AuroraTear - Archosaur Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Are you demon or sage?

    Demon.... Full DOT G15 Daggers with -.05, -.05 and SS
    5aps

    Got my Dots all for 3 mil each forever ago...
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    1/20 * 1/20 * 3/2 = 3 in 800 = 0.00375 = .375% chance errrr hmmmm :S

    That would be -int probability * -int probability * two out of three spots needed to fill to get two -ints. I haven't done probabilities in a long while so I could still be rusty.

    ^from post on other page^

    There are exactly 3 distinct possibilities that give you 2 -ints

    -int / -int / ****
    -int / **** / -int
    **** / -int / -int

    The chance of the first possibility is .05 * .05 * .95 = .2375%
    The chances of the other two are the same = .2375%

    The total chance is P(first) + P(second) + P(third) = 3 * .2375 = .7125% = 1:140
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  • Denaini - Sanctuary
    Denaini - Sanctuary Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Since you'd probably be okay with 3 -ints as well, the chance would be about 1/138 (7.25 x 10^(-3)). Peanuts pretty much, but it's another 2 attempts which you don't need to do, on average :P
  • AuroraTear - Archosaur
    AuroraTear - Archosaur Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/34770

    Never mind... looks as though all the weapons are the same. Gonna need another 250 raptures just to make one for my sin. Gotta keep the stun bow for ****s and giggles...
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    /inb4 full r9 for 200$b:chuckle
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  • AuroraTear - Archosaur
    AuroraTear - Archosaur Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    >.> Who's gonna be first to post pictures of the new gear and weapons =)
  • rinoaknight
    rinoaknight Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    So is this jut for Lunar Nirana or TT Nirvana aswell, might be thinking of ditching these Barrier Thorns and getting the Att lvls instead if thats the case.b:laugh
  • AuroraTear - Archosaur
    AuroraTear - Archosaur Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    All nirvana is included. TT and Lunar
  • rinoaknight
    rinoaknight Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Good to Hear, looking forward to these in the future thats for sure
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    AuroraTear - Archosaur wrote: »
    Demon.... Full DOT G15 Daggers with -.05, -.05 and SS
    5aps

    Got my Dots all for 3 mil each forever ago...

    Meh so you'll give up a touch in defense because you can't wear r9 / cube neck, but you'll gain.... *grumbles*

    5 APS G15 +12: 305,432 dps
    4 APS R9 +12: 302,373 dps
    4 APS R9R +12: 320,900 dps
    5 APS G16 Nirvy (manually entered in +12 stats) 334,905 dps

    PS Olbaze what's the formula for average DPS w/ wolf emblem.

    EDIT: Never mind, I found it.

    DPS = [(Min ATK + Max ATK) / 2] * [1 + (CRIT / 100) * (1 + W.E. / 100)] * ATK LVL * APS
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  • AuroraTear - Archosaur
    AuroraTear - Archosaur Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    *** Waits for 2x so I can regrind my daggers.... Remake my bow.... Make claws for my archer.....*****
  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    the only way they can **** this up is to make it not go into account stash after you make it.... but they will do it! b:laugh
  • So_Wet - Sanctuary
    So_Wet - Sanctuary Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    the real question is because no interval on 3rd recast nirvana is would you trade your sacri assault and interval for 40 attack levels :O, i would SS is rubbish anyway
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  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    So_Wet - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the real question is because no interval on 3rd recast nirvana is would you trade your sacri assault and interval for 40 attack levels :O, i would SS is rubbish anyway

    there is no interval on armor. You can get 3x -int on weapon if you are lucky b:surrender
  • So_Wet - Sanctuary
    So_Wet - Sanctuary Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    lol i said there was no intervalb:chuckleb:surrender
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    PS Olbaze what's the formula for average DPS w/ wolf emblem.

    I actually don't have a formula for it. Mostly because writing single-row syntax with fractions is ugly as hell, but also partly because I don't need one. I prefer a depth-based approach rather than width when it comes to formulae. That is, rather count each variable one at a time rather than all at the same time:
    Min + Max = Ans
    Ans / 2 = Avg
    Avg * (1+1.2*(crit%)) = DPH
    DPH * APS = DPS
    DPS * (1+Atk lvl/100) = Secondary DPS
    Secondary DPS * (1+SS/GoF) = Final DPS
    DPS = [(Min ATK + Max ATK) / 2] * [1 + (CRIT / 100) * (1 + W.E. / 100)] * ATK LVL * APS

    How ugly. You could just do a*b*c*d, that would make it less ugly.
    lol i said there was no interval

    Then where's the supposed "trade"? GoF adds 20% overall damage, you would need a total of 100 attack levels before the additional 40 for GoF to be superior. And that's really only an option with full R9. Not to mention that even G15 Nirvana out-does R9 in terms of DPS with ideal mods and with the G16 being obviously superior to that, there's no real question as to whether it'd be superior to non-recast R9 in an ideal or realistic setting.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    So I did some looking, and found the boss that drops the mats required for this... Not looking good for us anymore... 17-25K phys attack... 4.8m HP and 1.5K pdef. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/34970

    The attack on him is higher than sonic oppressor, though much less HP and pdef... This still seems like for the average player, it might pose a problem.
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  • CatManDoo - Dreamweaver
    CatManDoo - Dreamweaver Posts: 214 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    So I did some looking, and found the boss that drops the mats required for this... Not looking good for us anymore... 17-25K phys attack... 4.8m HP and 1.5K pdef. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/mob/34970

    The attack on him is higher than sonic oppressor, though much less HP and pdef... This still seems like for the average player, it might pose a problem.

    like Snakefist Guardian, and snake isnt that hard.
  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    CatManDoo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    like Snakefist Guardian, and snake isnt that hard.

    Oh. xD Well then. Lmao.

    At first I was like...
    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3fgl7tpAG1rvowhxo1_500.gif

    But then I was like...

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3fall3dxx1rukowdo1_500.png
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I actually don't have a formula for it. Mostly because writing single-row syntax with fractions is ugly as hell, but also partly because I don't need one. I prefer a depth-based approach rather than width when it comes to formulae. That is, rather count each variable one at a time rather than all at the same time:
    Min + Max = Ans
    Ans / 2 = Avg
    Avg * (1+1.2*(crit%)) = DPH
    DPH * APS = DPS
    DPS * (1+Atk lvl/100) = Secondary DPS
    Secondary DPS * (1+SS/GoF) = Final DPS



    How ugly. You could just do a*b*c*d, that would make it less ugly. And you can't say 1+1.2 for crit not everyone is sage or has sage wolf emblem ;o



    Then where's the supposed "trade"? GoF adds 20% overall damage, you would need a total of 100 attack levels before the additional 40 for GoF to be superior. And that's really only an option with full R9. Not to mention that even G15 Nirvana out-does R9 in terms of DPS with ideal mods and with the G16 being obviously superior to that, there's no real question as to whether it'd be superior to non-recast R9 in an ideal or realistic setting.

    Ugly? Besides the crit being prettier the rest is * b * c... so I dunno lol.
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  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Im looking forwarding to thisb:laugh
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Sjuggs - Lost City wrote: »
    Im looking forwarding to thisb:laugh

    Only 17 years before they release it!
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  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Only 17 years before they release it!

    Im loving the QQ from sins already, "No more SS or GoF QQ", that is enough entertainment while I waitb:chuckle
  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Sjuggs - Lost City wrote: »
    Im loving the QQ from sins already, "No more SS or GoF QQ", that is enough entertainment while I waitb:chuckle

    Lol. So what if there's no zerk on daggers... 40 attack levels, much higher base stats, and great Refine rate... Just saying.

    Plus... The G16 bow is gonna be sexy anyway <3
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  • iamzid
    iamzid Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    TT100 weapons need an upgrade.

    they do, its called nirvana.

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