Rumors of Nirvana 3rd cast and Rank9 2nd cast

unceuncerave

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

You said "Where do either of you see..." Which implies you were talking to BOTH of us. Maybe YOU need to learn to read.

I quoted Kawaii And Aes. Both of them stated an EXACT proc amount. Read posts and quotes you stupid child. And at your below post. Archers have been doing math before you started playing this game. I'm sure we know a lot more of it then you.

Geshwur - Raging Tide

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

so you are not a *** fish? b:avoid

I think he's a fail-troll. It's funny, but I have [at least] one of every class, and check all the class forums regularly... Rarely do I see actual numbers discussed anywhere except on the assassin forums, which while numbers aren't everything, it at least shows we have enough intelligence to prove numbers before testing practice, unlike other classes who seem to just throw gear on and hope it works.

Geshwur - Raging Tide

unceuncerave wrote: »

I quoted Kawaii And Aes. Both of them stated an EXACT proc amount. Read posts and quotes you stupid child. And at your below post. Archers have been doing math before you started playing this game. I'm sure we know a lot more of it then you.

Hahahahaha... That's why archers use claws b:chuckle I want to see the math that shows that to be the best DPS. b:cute

unceuncerave

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hahahahaha... That's why archers use claws b:chuckle I want to see the math that shows that to be the best DPS. b:cute

How quick he changes the subject to something I don't even do once he realizes he's wrong. How cute. Hey derp go read some archer threads you might learn a few things about formulas and sht. And btw the intelligent fish that post formulas 99% chance they were archers. b:shocked Like no way!!!!!!!

Anyways before the useless class for TW wasted almost a page of my time. R9 3rd stage will be unreachable by 99% of the r9 players since getting to 2nd stage costs so much anyways. Only 3rd stage nirvana will be obtained by some hard workers.

Eoria - Harshlands

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nothing about transfer costs yet I assume?


I imagine Nirvana will have a third tier of chienkun stones costs, while r9 would be..................free.

This is all I want to know. ;-;

If there's no chienkun cost, it'll probably be worth it for me to upgrade my 2nd recast Nirvana as long as the mats aren't too hard to get/too expensive.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

This is all I want to know. ;-;

If there's no chienkun cost, it'll probably be worth it for me to upgrade my 2nd recast Nirvana as long as the mats aren't too hard to get/too expensive.

There will be a requirement I'm sure. If its going to "match" the power of r9 then it will come close to the cost in some way or people would QQ.

Unless they give lunar and warsong an overhaul the two instances are really easy to run.

Stop feeding the troll

Geshwur - Raging Tide

unceuncerave wrote: »

How quick he changes the subject to something I don't even do once he realizes he's wrong. How cute. Hey derp go read some archer threads you might learn a few things about formulas and sht. And btw the intelligent fish that post formulas 99% chance they were archers. b:shocked Like no way!!!!!!!

Anyways before the useless class for TW wasted almost a page of my time. R9 3rd stage will be unreachable by 99% of the r9 players since getting to 2nd stage costs so much anyways. Only 3rd stage nirvana will be obtained by some hard workers.

=O Go read Archer forums? Didn't I just say I read all class forums? b:cute

Last I checked... Archer forums: "how much gold it cost to use zhen skill?"
Hella old attack speed thread that is mostly common sense, and a bunch of talk about skills... Don't see much in-depth math.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Last I checked... Archer forums: "how much gold it cost to use zhen skill?"

Demon_troll does NOT count as an archer.

In any case the proc rate of SS (15%) and GoF (20%) was tested by people like Traz across several types of weapons and verified by others.

They haven't implemented any forges yet for this new gear so it's not possible to talk about Chienkun costs yet.

Geshwur - Raging Tide

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Demon_troll does NOT count as an archer.

In any case the proc rate of SS (15%) and GoF (20%) was tested by people like Traz across several types of weapons and verified by others.

They haven't implemented any forges yet for this new gear so it's not possible to talk about Chienkun costs yet.

Lol. Fair enough xD And ehh... IDK about that proc rate, I've had zerk daggers, and it really feels higher than that. IDK how these tests were done, but I would love a link to the post so I can have confirmation of these numbers and see how they were reached.

Vancore - Sanctuary

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There will be a requirement I'm sure. If its going to "match" the power of r9 then it will come close to the cost in some way or people would QQ.

Unless they give lunar and warsong an overhaul the two instances are really easy to run.

Stop feeding the troll

yes lunar is easy, unless you do trophy mode which is old lunar and has some challenging parts, but warsong unless you have competent/decent geared people you will fail that place so hard

but i do like the idea of putting the new stuff in lunar and warsong they are for the most part the deadest instances, even though they have the some of the best gear in the game, and it would be nice for lunar not to have that damn 3mil opening fee but knowing the devs they will leave it in making it the most effective coin sink in the game to date and warsong is just fun to do, the non bh bosses are a challenge

Traz - Dreamweaver

unceuncerave wrote: »

Where do either of you see the exact % of the proc rate is beyond me. And either way stop argueing with a fish. They are **** classes that don't know anything beyond auto attack triple spark mire/frenzy.

2,000 hits with 4 different weapons both SS and GoF, still don't believe SS is 15% and GoF 20%? Oh well you'll never be satisfied.

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hmmm... IDK how that 40 attack levels will stack up against GoF... I would immagine the GoF on R8 recast would win out given both builds were DoT sharded armor... But I'm too lazy to do the math...

We've shown 3 daggers with GoF that don't stack up (one is GoF -int G15) so why do you think the G15 GoF -int would be much different? G16s are by far the best. R9R^3 will be the best when all is said and done, but unless they change how you get R9R stuff you will probably never see more then one or two of those across all weapons.

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Meh so you'll give up a touch in defense because you can't wear r9 / cube neck, but you'll gain.... *grumbles*

5 APS G15 +12: 305,432 dps
4 APS R9 +12: 302,373 dps
4 APS R9R +12: 320,900 dps
5 APS G16 Nirvy (manually entered in +12 stats): 334,905 dps

PS Olbaze what's the formula for average DPS w/ wolf emblem.

EDIT: Never mind, I found it.

DPS = [(Min ATK + Max ATK) / 2] * [1 + (CRIT / 100) * (1 + W.E. / 100)] * ATK LVL * APS

5 APS R8R +12 (GoF Included): 315,801 dps

Now things can take some major shifts depending on the other adds you get on R8R and G16 Nirvy. R9R can be better than R8R dependent on adds. G16 Nirvy is the best with good adds, hands down.

All calcs DO NOT include wolf emblem!

snufalufaguss

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

You posted this just so everyone would have to look at two girls touching each other's ****.
Thanks!
b:pleased

There be some strange stuff in that forum... strange stuff.

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Geshwur - Raging Tide

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

5 APS R8R +12 (GoF Included): 315,801 dps

Now things can take some major shifts depending on the other adds you get on R8R and G16 Nirvy. R9R can be better than R8R dependent on adds. G16 Nirvy is the best with good adds, hands down.

All calcs DO NOT include wolf emblem!

Indeed

snufalufaguss wrote: »

There be some strange stuff in that forum... strange stuff.

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http://bbs.178.com/attachment.php?aid=1749247&k=450636610f8589b76ec4bcec1027a850&t=1313645367&noupdate=yes

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Olbaze - Sanctuary

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2,000 hits with 4 different weapons both SS and GoF, still don't believe SS is 15% and GoF 20%? Oh well you'll never be satisfied.

Some people never believe in tests.

We've shown 3 daggers with GoF that don't stack up (one is GoF -int G15) so why do you think the G15 GoF -int would be much different? G16s are by far the best. R9R^3 will be the best when all is said and done, but unless they change how you get R9R stuff you will probably never see more then one or two of those across all weapons.


5 APS R8R +12 (GoF Included): 315,801 dps

Now things can take some major shifts depending on the other adds you get on R8R and G16 Nirvy. R9R can be better than R8R dependent on adds. G16 Nirvy is the best with good adds, hands down.

All calcs DO NOT include wolf emblem!

Two notes:
1. Including GoF is pretty crucial, as it would allow for R9 +12 there to get within 1,000 DPS of G15 +12.
2. That G15 of yours is a rather crappy example, since it has too much -interval. You should be fair and change it to something more useful. Right now it's like bait for some idiot to go and say "AHAHA YOU NEED A -0.1 INTERVAL G15 TO BE SUPERIOR TO R9!" whereas what the calc shows is that you need GoF and -0.05, with the third mod being completely irrelevant.

Other than these, including Wolf Emblem isn't really relevant since the DPS differences are too large for the 0.8% increment to change it.

But yeah, recast Nirvana pretty much laughs in the face of R9. Which leads me to doubt that they'll make it a plausible option. From the looks of it, there's some boss that you need to kill, which drops exactly 1 of the materials that you need. Not to mention the other mats being a quest item. Looks like it might be another OHT gear-esque thing.

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

for me sounds interesting, and not that hard to get (both R9 2nd recast and nirvana 3rd recast). also, will make ppl farm warsong and lunar (lunar being a fun instance). only problem for R9RR would be to get R9R 1st >.>

and from what i tested with Heartz, ppl who manage to get R9RR will be, even more OP than what OP is now. like, archer with 24-25k HP, around 140 atk lvl, 56% crit rate, or psy with 20k hp 21k pdef, 160+ atk lvl >.>

Traz - Dreamweaver

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Some people never believe in tests.



Two notes:
1. Including GoF is pretty crucial, as it would allow for R9 +12 there to get within 1,000 DPS of G15 +12.
2. That G15 of yours is a rather crappy example, since it has too much -interval. You should be fair and change it to something more useful. Right now it's like bait for some idiot to go and say "AHAHA YOU NEED A -0.1 INTERVAL G15 TO BE SUPERIOR TO R9!" whereas what the calc shows is that you need GoF and -0.05, with the third mod being completely irrelevant.

Other than these, including Wolf Emblem isn't really relevant since the DPS differences are too large for the 0.8% increment to change it.

But yeah, recast Nirvana pretty much laughs in the face of R9. Which leads me to doubt that they'll make it a plausible option. From the looks of it, there's some boss that you need to kill, which drops exactly 1 of the materials that you need. Not to mention the other mats being a quest item. Looks like it might be another OHT gear-esque thing.

First, I used the pwcalcs you used in a different thread. Second, GoF is included in all of them I only stated that for the one bc the daggers in the calc did not show GoF. All numbers shown are set in stone with everything but wolf emblem added.

Geshwur - Raging Tide

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

for me sounds interesting, and not that hard to get (both R9 2nd recast and nirvana 3rd recast). also, will make ppl farm warsong and lunar (lunar being a fun instance). only problem for R9RR would be to get R9R 1st >.>

and from what i tested with Heartz, ppl who manage to get R9RR will be, even more OP than what OP is now. like, archer with 24-25k HP, around 140 atk lvl, 56% crit rate, or psy with 20k hp 21k pdef, 160+ atk lvl >.>

Have you seen the cost to get R9R to begin with?

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Have you seen the cost to get R9R to begin with?

yes, and several ppl have it on dreamweaver

oh and i forgot, with R9RR can finally break 30k+ phy/mag atack xD

Traz - Dreamweaver

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Have you seen the cost to get R9R to begin with?

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/34788

4 APS R9^3 (Manual +12 Adds On Ring): 407,024 dps

b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked

To Recap:

4 APS R9 +12: 302,373 dps
5 APS G15 +12: 305,432 dps
5 APS R8R +12: 315,801 dps
4 APS R9R +12: 320,900 dps
5 APS G16 Nirvy (Manual +12): 334,905 dps
4 APS R9^3 (Manual +12 Adds On Ring): 407,024 dps

NOTE: 5 APS G15 / 5 APS R8R / G16 Nirvy are min dps (no extra adds) and can be higher

All calcs DO NOT include wolf emblem!

Geshwur - Raging Tide

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

R9^3 manual +12 (extra dagger adds on r9 ring): 407,024 dps

b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked

To Recap:

4 APS R9 +12: 302,373 dps
5 APS G15 +12: 305,432 dps
5 APS R8R +12: 315,801 dps
4 APS R9R +12: 320,900 dps
5 APS G16 Nirvy (Manual +12): 334,905 dps
R9^3 (Manual +12 Adds On Ring): 407,024 dps

All calcs DO NOT include wolf emblem!

Do want

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

First, I used the pwcalcs you used in a different thread. Second, GoF is included in all of them I only stated that for the one bc the daggers in the calc did not show GoF. All numbers shown are set in stone with everything but wolf emblem added.

Of course, when I said "GoF", I meant Wolf Emblem. All of the weapons having GoF makes GoF irrelevant as it's nothing but a scaling multiplier. Which in itself is kinda silly, as you'd preferably normalize the results in accordance to the situation, e.g. if you wanted to compare R9 to others, you'd divide all teh DPS numbers by that of R9.

Also, recycling those specific PWCalcs is a bit questionable, since as far as I recall I only put GoF and 2x -0.05 interval in because someone in the thread had said weapon and people were all "KUKUKU R9 > THAT ****!"

But then again, as long as there's "R9", "G15", "recast", some numbers and a link to pwcalc, no one's ever going to question you, even if you're saying something like "R9 = shoe, shoe > sandal = G15, therefore R9>G15".

Though... I think you're missing the point I had with those calcs. For R8 recast, I tend to go with minimal adds simply because the odds of an "ideal" roll are ridiculous. For G15, I tend to go with SS/-0.05 because that's the standard goal. When it comes to choosing which weapon adds you pick, you should generally pick either a) realistic adds b) ideal adds c) minimal adds. A) if you're just bringing stuff in for discussion, if you're trying to show the superiority of some other setup and C) if you're trying to show that said specific setup is superior.

Geshwur - Raging Tide

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Of course, when I said "GoF", I meant Wolf Emblem. All of the weapons having GoF makes GoF irrelevant as it's nothing but a scaling multiplier. Which in itself is kinda silly, as you'd preferably normalize the results in accordance to the situation, e.g. if you wanted to compare R9 to others, you'd divide all teh DPS numbers by that of R9.

Also, recycling those specific PWCalcs is a bit questionable, since as far as I recall I only put GoF and 2x -0.05 interval in because someone in the thread had said weapon and people were all "KUKUKU R9 > THAT ****!"

But then again, as long as there's "R9", "G15", "recast", some numbers and a link to pwcalc, no one's ever going to question you, even if you're saying something like "R9 = shoe, shoe > sandal = G15, therefore R9>G15".

Though... I think you're missing the point I had with those calcs. For R8 recast, I tend to go with minimal adds simply because the odds of an "ideal" roll are ridiculous. For G15, I tend to go with SS/-0.05 because that's the standard goal. When it comes to choosing which weapon adds you pick, you should generally pick either a) realistic adds b) ideal adds c) minimal adds. A) if you're just bringing stuff in for discussion, if you're trying to show the superiority of some other setup and C) if you're trying to show that said specific setup is superior.

This message has been reviewed and approved.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

This message has been reviewed and approved.

Reviewed by someone qualified? I think not.

Also, rainbow juice.

Regenbogen - Lost City

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/34788

4 APS R9^3 (Manual +12 Adds On Ring): 407,024 dps

b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked

To Recap:

Oneshot: 302,373 dps
Oneshot: 305,432 dps
Oneshot: 315,801 dps
Oneshot: 320,900 dps
Oneshot: 334,905 dps
Oneshot: 407,024 dps

NOTE: 5 APS G15 / 5 APS R8R / G16 Nirvy are min dps (no extra adds) and can be higher

All calcs DO NOT include wolf emblem!

fixed

Geshwur - Raging Tide

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Reviewed by someone qualified? I think not.

Also, rainbow juice.

Fluttershy not qualified?

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fluttershy not qualified?

Qualified? I don't see why not.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

This thread... <_>

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This thread... <_>

Successful thread is successful?

b:cute

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Successful thread is successful?

b:cute

Indeed. b:laugh

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Indeed. b:laugh

Fixed that for you.