Rumors of Nirvana 3rd cast and Rank9 2nd cast

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  • barbuser
    barbuser Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    alright too much opinions on what if it does what if it doesnt. I just wanna see some stats even if it doesnt come out it be nice to know. and if someone has mentioned them for all the gear than i missed it among all the useless bs -_-
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    barbuser wrote: »
    alright too much opinions on what if it does what if it doesnt. I just wanna see some stats even if it doesnt come out it be nice to know. and if someone has mentioned them for all the gear than i missed it among all the useless bs -_-

    - Go to pwdatabase.com
    - Look up some G15 nirvana / R9 2nd cast gear
    - Click on the chinese flag at the top to switch to the pwcn db
    - Click on the new gear you can manufacture from the G15/R9
    - Copy and paste the stats into translate.google.com
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  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Lol. So what if there's no zerk on daggers... 40 attack levels, much higher base stats, and great Refine rate... Just saying.

    Plus... The G16 bow is gonna be sexy anyway <3


    Yea, claws will be great too, now wont have much much difference with bms. And why would I complain of no SS or GoF on daggers? I dislike sins so much lol.
  • barbuser
    barbuser Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    too much work for my taste :x
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    A BM just got warsoul claws on our server, roflstomplolbbqsauce OWNED.


    that is all.
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  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    A BM just got warsoul claws on our server, roflstomplolbbqsauce OWNED.


    that is all.


    Damn, just dont let him know yet so he doesnt RQ right away b:laugh
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Warsoul claws are still a bit better than these. At least if you can be 5.0 with them.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    barbuser wrote: »
    too much work for my taste :x

    Here, I'll make it easy. Every weapon sacrifices the standard "unique adds" for a 100% chance to have +40 attack levels, gets an 4th add (out of the same exact pool as on G15 weapons), gains higher base damage and refine rate. Simply put, gonna be OP. I can't wait to recast my G15 bow to G16. xD
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  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    A BM just got warsoul claws on our server, roflstomplolbbqsauce OWNED.


    that is all.

    Do you really think he cares, considering he has a ton of other weapons as well?
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Do you really think he cares, considering he has a ton of other weapons as well?

    Yes.

    /chars
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    slap us more pw...
    people were farming for recast r8 as they thought it is a chance to close in to aps and now those with nv gears(alts of sins?) get another boost? b:laugh
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »
    after all those farming for recast r8 now comes this shi...? b:laugh

    I haven't looked too much into the standard gear, but weapons... R8 recast should still be better, given good ads.
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I haven't looked too much into the standard gear, but weapons... R8 recast should still be better, given good ads.

    Nirvana 3rd stage can give interval x3 as well as 100% 40 attack levels. Pretty sure that beats out R8r as well as r9 b:surrender
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I haven't looked too much into the standard gear, but weapons... R8 recast should still be better, given good ads.

    looking at pwdb(click on china flag *thx asteepoo for telling*)

    3rd nv: http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/34779 = 754-1131 +825
    2nd r8: http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/32270 = 754-1115 +787

    they also seem to have +40atk lv as unique add b:angry
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Nothing about transfer costs yet I assume?


    I imagine Nirvana will have a third tier of chienkun stones costs, while r9 would be..................free.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »
    looking at pwdb(click on china flag *thx asteepoo for telling*)

    3rd nv: http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/34779 = 754-1131 +825
    2nd r8: http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/32270 = 754-1115 +787

    they also seem to have +40atk lv as unique add b:angry

    Hmmm... IDK how that 40 attack levels will stack up against GoF... I would immagine the GoF on R8 recast would win out given both builds were DoT sharded armor... But I'm too lazy to do the math...
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nothing about transfer costs yet I assume?


    I imagine Nirvana will have a third tier of chienkun stones costs, while r9 would be..................free.

    ya... you just have to shell out.... what is it... 2bil for the first recast... where as nirvana only costs.... 60mil for armor and.... 200mil for the weapon.. yes r9 is totally free.... :P
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Hmmm... IDK how that 40 attack levels will stack up against GoF... I would immagine the GoF on R8 recast would win out given both builds were DoT sharded armor... But I'm too lazy to do the math...

    Nirvana 3rd stage wrecks recast r8 in dps. See below.
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Meh so you'll give up a touch in defense because you can't wear r9 / cube neck, but you'll gain.... *grumbles*

    5 APS G15 +12: 305,432 dps
    4 APS R9 +12: 302,373 dps
    4 APS R9R +12: 320,900 dps
    5 APS G16 Nirvy (manually entered in +12 stats) 334,905 dps

    DPS = [(Min ATK + Max ATK) / 2] * [1 + (CRIT / 100) * (1 + W.E. / 100)] * ATK LVL * APS
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Hmmm... IDK how that 40 attack levels will stack up against GoF... I would immagine the GoF on R8 recast would win out given both builds were DoT sharded armor... But I'm too lazy to do the math...

    well breaking pwi more for sure...
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ya... you just have to shell out.... what is it... 2bil for the first recast... where as nirvana only costs.... 60mil for armor and.... 200mil for the weapon.. yes r9 is totally free.... :P



    Nirvana 3rd stage wrecks recast r8 in dps. See below.

    Well... Considering the fact that R8 recast wrecks G15 Nirvy in DPS, and isn't listed in that table... I would imagine that said theory is still un-proven.b:cute
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well... Considering the fact that R8 recast wrecks G15 Nirvy in DPS, and isn't listed in that table... I would imagine that said theory is still un-proven.b:cute

    Well without doing calcs. figure same gear.

    From the get-go

    3rd Stage Nirv

    Has a higher base / refines higher

    guarenteed 40% more damage.


    r8r has a lower base / refines lower

    CHANCE for a 100% damage proc of like... 5%.

    so 1/20 hits will do a bonus of 100% more damage.

    by then you've already done 800% more from the pure attack boost alone besides the higher stats.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    CHANCE for a 100% damage proc of like... 5%.

    Actually GoF proc rate is 20%. Still +40 attack level will have an average DPH higher than GoF but GoF will have a higher maximum dph.

    The big winners though are BMs and archers since now G16 claws will have the exact same adds as the G16 daggers. With G15 nirv and r8r, daggers benefited from superior unique adds.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well without doing calcs. figure same gear.

    From the get-go

    3rd Stage Nirv

    Has a higher base / refines higher

    guarenteed 40% more damage.


    r8r has a lower base / refines lower

    CHANCE for a 100% damage proc of like... 5%.

    so 1/20 hits will do a bonus of 100% more damage.

    by then you've already done 800% more from the pure attack boost alone besides the higher stats.
    Did you fail out of math...? Between Jones, and full DoT armor... that's 54 attack levels there, +40 more, so you'll be doing a total of 194% damage/attack, without the 40 attack levels you'd still be doing 154%, that's roughly a 25% damage increase... Whereas with R8 recast full DoT build, that's still 154% damage, no set standard for GoF proc rate, but it's estimated between 20-30, with the most commonly accepted being %30, but for the sake of argument I'll guestimate 25%, but with crit rates stacking and such, one could estimate that you could get a 30-40% real damage increase...

    BUT. What everyone here seems to forget, Numbers mean nothing if not practiced. Until this comes out, it'll be impossible to tell which is better.
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  • unceuncerave
    unceuncerave Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well without doing calcs. figure same gear.

    From the get-go

    3rd Stage Nirv

    Has a higher base / refines higher

    guarenteed 40% more damage.


    r8r has a lower base / refines lower

    CHANCE for a 100% damage proc of like... 5%.

    so 1/20 hits will do a bonus of 100% more damage.

    by then you've already done 800% more from the pure attack boost alone besides the higher stats.
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Actually GoF proc rate is 20%. Still +40 attack level will have an average DPH higher than GoF but GoF will have a higher maximum dph.

    The big winners though are BMs and archers since now G16 claws will have the exact same adds as the G16 daggers. With G15 nirv and r8r, daggers benefited from superior unique adds.

    Where do either of you see the exact % of the proc rate is beyond me. And either way stop argueing with a fish. They are **** classes that don't know anything beyond auto attack triple spark mire/frenzy.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    unceuncerave wrote: »
    Where do either of you see the exact % of the proc rate is beyond me. And either way stop argueing with a fish. They are **** classes that don't know anything beyond auto attack triple spark mire/frenzy.

    I never said exact. I said estimate. Before calling someone **** because of what class they play, go back to first grade and learn to read.

    Also... Arguing* not Argueing...
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    BUT. What everyone here seems to forget, Numbers mean nothing if not practiced. Until this comes out, it'll be impossible to tell which is better.

    i thought it was the other way around :b
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  • unceuncerave
    unceuncerave Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I never said exact. I said estimate. Before calling someone **** because of what class they play, go back to first grade and learn to read.

    Read who I quoted before you open your mouth. You SHOULD go back to first grade and learn to read. God I hate stupid useless fishsticks.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i thought it was the other way around :b

    b:chuckle Only in a perfect world. xP
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    unceuncerave wrote: »
    Read who I quoted before you open your mouth. You SHOULD go back to first grade and learn to read. God I hate stupid useless fishsticks.

    so you are not a *** fish? b:avoid
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    unceuncerave wrote: »
    Read who I quoted before you open your mouth. You SHOULD go back to first grade and learn to read. God I hate stupid useless fishsticks.

    You said "Where do either of you see..." Which implies you were talking to BOTH of us. Maybe YOU need to learn to read.
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