Where did PWI go wrong? (Goodbye Thread)

I wouldn't necessarily say PWI went wrong. The game has been out for a 3 1/2 years withholding beta, and they had to make money somehow. All the sales helped keep the game going, and keep people playing. I've played one other game in this genre, and although MASSIVELY more successful, you had to pay a one time fee to play it. PWI had given the option to not pay that fee.

There are 2 real downfalls; One is the game got boring for many people. It's the work of a game to be entertaining...and no game is fun forever. Those who would have tried it, tried it and moved on. The Perfect World developers could add an expansion every 6 months, and the game would still get boring because that's just a small amount of unfamiliarity added. The other reason this game will fall is the same reason it lasted so long. This game has a community with deep ties to one another...and once those ties are broken...people move on. Sure they may pop in to say, "hi," but that's not real an active community willing to spend money.

As for me, I don't know, I've lost interest in games like these. I might check out the sequel to the game I mentioned earlier that is coming outt very soon, but even that's unlikely.

Hmmm Let's see.

1. Assassin class as a whole - Stealth = massive Q.Q Bloodpaint = allowed aps people to solo just about anything with good enough gear. Massive DPS = Sins are new tanks on all bosses, an aps barb would possibly be able to hold from BM's but sins it's not possible.

NOTE: Aps was always ingame, just wasn't popular right away.

2. Rank 9 and rep sales etc. - Basically u allowed people to BUY POWER.... Figured MMO's was supposed to be about playing the game and obtaining stuff and now all of a sudden people who played 2+ years are immediately outgeared by alot by those that chose to swipe a credit card.

3. Packs - Gambling money sinks....these are nothing more then ingame slot machines and Again people able to buy power... these also allowed for easy aps gear aswell furthering the aps craze.

4. Customer service - Have known many friends that got the "We'll look into it" statement and recieved no help on many many different issues. You haven't stood by ur word on bans, fixing things etc. Tons of ingame bugs....list is very long on this one.

5. Lack of GM/other sort of presence ingame - There is no monitoring going on that I can see...People who advertise Gold sites, scammers, people breaking all sorts of ingame rules, botters etc. nothing is ever done. I mean I'm constantly seeing or hearing of hackers etc.

6. Game Balance - Not much has been done to balance out things imo...few band aids here and there and the new expansion helped some but it's a bit too little too late and frankly doubt it even helps.

7. Lack of content - Let's face it...most things ingame are pretty much ignored anymore...it's mainly "How can I FCC" for leveling then Vana or PK/TW or whatever. Nobody bothers with quests anymore...go look..the entire map barren except cities. Nothing had been added for ages until this last expansion.

8. Player Attitudes as a whole - When this game first began, people were friendly and eager to help each other and squad up. Now it's more and more becoming a game filled with those who have egos and are out for themselves and people would rather solo a dungeon then squad with "FCC babies"/ Hyper noobs. Seems majority of people getting unpleasant to say the least on many aspects.

Side Note: I still do have friends ingame and meet friendly people here and there but just seems as a whole the game is attracting a different sort of people then it began or just has changed people's attitudes towards others in the community.

I'm sure I could think of more but don't care to. I will be moving on as soon as some other games get released.

It truely is sad to see such an old, and active player leave us. Especially on Heavens Tear, where everyone basically knew eachother.

Perfect World screwed up by not patching the glitches in this game, that have been around since the beginning of the game..

Allowing Goons to continue on as they did for such a decent amount of time..

Brining Rank 9 Into the game for the biggest gear-gap I've ever seen

And constant sales.

b:sad Why PW?

With all of the bull- that is happening in the community on my server, affected by the Goons and all these other things that PWE's pulling, I am considering leaving PWI aswell, maybe not at once.. But once my friends are gone, there will be one more face no longer on this game.

aps whas what got me down i mean i remember ppl did try to be ninja at old times
but imo was mostly to play ninja but with high interval a weak refined armor can still do better then a +10 r9 armor becouse of aps +bp+spark burst.


and not to mention how it still is done in pk i mean commen on idk who was the idiot who invented the idea but nowdays if you dont have a int char to farm you aint gona make much coin farming.

low **** hp +charm is like woot last a weeek or two while my barb with 28k my charm last me 4 hour at most if i was to stay in pk or grind intense so **** it.

you still have the random seeker who try to achive aps on his seeker why do you think so cos aps give the money when it come to farming and easy way to pk and good boost on ego.

r9 cost banana but why even get r9 when you can get 5aps for 1/5 of the price and be pve god and even do well in pk and isnt that what ppl aim in a pvp server COUGH vana COUGH.

- Tideborn and Rank 9 in the boutique.
- The Jones blessing item glitch (you think everyone actually paid for their R9 +12? LOL)
- The goon glitch
- The empty promises over and over again
- The failure to do anything about the recent rampant cheating

It's obvious the company doesn't really care all that much about this game anymore. With the new MMOs being released this year, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to stay. It's sad in some ways, but fortunately the ties I made with people here are largely carrying over with me to one of those new MMOs (starts with a G and ends with a 2).

Over the next couple of months there will be an exodus from this game unlike anything PWE has ever seen... b:sad

FateMakerr - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and it seems that PWI's end is approaching.

Again?!

I swear this game dies at least a few times a week

mmkay see ya!

This game is fun.

the place i will go rhymes with ild ors ooo

This game isn't going anywhere. All of you are just choosing to move on. It's entirely up to you. I've played since beta ended on 6 servers, with many accounts. Spent a fortune on a server I'm not even playing on anymore (Dreamweaver), but I've made friends that I will know forever and even though I've gone through spells of only coming back in PW to do MQ on all the characters who are married in my army of alts, I do always come back and play full force again. There are just some things in PW you can't find anywhere else. And I have played more MMOs than I care to say trying to find those things elsewhere. This game is chop full of problems and imperfections. We like to say its an "imperfect perfect world". But for me and those I know best, its home.

MagicEmpress - Lost City wrote: »

... Who the heck wants to go kill 80 freaking mobs, especially if they are flying or magic casting, and turn it in and get 1-2%? *Phooey on that*

Casters ?

Easy! They went wrong in many way's........b:scorn



1-They sold us Out on A Number of times, for the ALMIGHTY! Dollar........

2!!-They forgot when they sold us out! That Alot of the People that they did sell out! against!!! Were the MAJORITY! of the CS'rs that Payed their Wages Too BEGIN WITH!!!!_b:faint__With Our Purchases!!!!! And Not their Minority Glitchers! (Who even though they Dumped alot of money into the game, were still unfortunately for {PWE} NOT! THE PRIMARY FINANCEERs of the game "As there gonna find out very soon now, Anyways!!" b:dirty
As we Real 'Long Term~Payers' now either, pull out of this game completely, or just simply, No Longer! Bother!! Too Put Anymore Money into this Game At All Now!!! "Since they've now shown themselves, to No longer be trustable enough, Too Bother to Spend anymore money on them (And that means all of {PW Entertainment} Games, for most of us... You can Tell this too the {DEVs} frankie...

"Why should We Trust a Company, who's only proven: That they Don't give even the slightest D***, About their own Player Bases (General Public)? or ({ToS} Contracts) 4 that matter!!!!) Because, If the 'Board of Directors' Decides that Passing Orders too (1-game) within their 'Companies' Holdings, Too Sell Us ALL! OUT!!!! For A handful of F'ing "Massively! Multiple Count!!" Violator Crybaby's!!! "Because of their Credit Cards!!!?" Is their Chosen Point of VIEW! & Reality!! Then We Now KNOW!! That the Board! will **** Us Over! Any Old time they want, in the ANY Of the Other Games NOW! Too.....(Take That 1, To Heart!)" b:bye

3-They Never fix their games glitches.....

4-They continuously, chose too not allow x2 drop's lately even during x2 everything else...

5-They were Too Lazy To Add! (New Content) for anyone else other then High Lvs (Past TBs & EG's Introduction's)

6-They, began to spend our money, that we gave them! On other Games improvement, rather then hire a competent crew, to enhance this 1 instead.....

7-They never, realized that their 'Boutique Fashions' Were Mostly Overpriced (And that they Never! Lowered the Outrageous Number! of Dyes!! That many pieces needed to change the Color)

8-Their Ticketing system, ended up becoming a Joke.....

9-Rather then realize that their {Flagship} was loosing Players for a number of reasons (Such as Its Dated Looks, Overpriced stuff, Laughable Drop Rates, Even More Laughable Percentage chances of winning something good from any variant of the {Boutique Packs} that they sell! Or even the fact that they began too give certain item's like the {Stash Box Weapons} for instance! A limited time frame that they could be used in And as such took away the Permanent 'timeframe' those 'Excellent Weapons' used to Have! which Many Players loved! Since those affore Mentioned Players, usually had a Real lives to live! And either Worked or Went to school! And couldn't be on constantly {24/7; 365 Days a Friggen Year} and were just happy too know, that they had a good set of 'weapons & items' that they could return too! When they could get back on.....

10-they added Way Too Many! {Servers} and dissolved the 'Player base' amongst them; too the point, that it began to become Ghost towns, on Many {Servers}....

11-When the Populace began too Noticingly thin out! They didn't Merge {Servers} too keep it lively and active....

12-Their {GMs} Turned Cold towards the Masses, Rather then be like they used too be (in year-1) (With all the little games they used to come up with and announce for us on WC, so we could come in and join in on all the fun, that they used to come up with for us) "Take Usagii's, All Veno Gate Party, for instance (I Still got Pics of that~1)


And now for the {Bakers Dozen} Special 1.......


13!!!-By quite simply, not regulating the in Game Inflation! & {GOLD} or the {RARE ITEMS} Markets!!!!! So it became obnoxiously Over priced for d*mn Near! Everything out there.......

14-They Added Way too (Over Powered) Classes which Imbalanced the game.....

15-They Constantly Made EMPTY Promises (to the Masses!) And also gave false 'Timelines' on Fixes; Then Expected us to Forget about those times (Like we were a Bunch of GOLDFISH! With 1~Minute Memories)

&

16!!!!-They Rarely ever listened to any, of the Many! (Good Ideas!) That Many of the 'Players' came up with on the {Forums} & as such Lost the Most Important {Cog! of their Businesses Wheels!} They lost the Players!!!! By Pretending that we: 1/ Were apparently Stupid "And as such, thought that we didn't Matter." & 2/pretended like They! Were the 1s! Who had made them all that money (Like it Came Outta thin Air!?) And not the PAYING Player Base!?!! That Kept 'Them! and Their Jobs!!' ALIVE & KICKING!! /And/ AFLOAT!!! & In ACTION!!!!




Well, There's my List, Of the Most ANNOYING THINGS!! That They Did! Where It All! Went Wrong..........b:surrender

MagicEmpress - Lost City wrote: »

Man your right. I made a barb the other week (level 31 now) and the N00B areas are dead. Save for a few sins when I went to tides to do the adventure quests (lvl 12 and 19). Also met this BM doing the level 20 quests outside west gate, got a lot done that afternoon us two. But it's really dead now with everyone frosting. The only chance for questing is to take the XP/Spirit rewards for quests above level 30 and 2X them, 3X them above level 50, 5X them above level 70, and 10X them above level 80. There aren't that many to do above level 80 so it wouldn't be all that much but at least there would be a reason to do them. Who the heck wants to go kill 80 freaking mobs, especially if they are flying or magic casting, and turn it in and get 1-2%? *Phooey on that*

damned pterosaursb:chuckle

on topic? not going anywhere. believing that a company -any company- cares for their product and not their profits is, at least, naive. ofc a company may find ways to generate profit without displeasing (a lot) of players and probably the first months will be perfect too; but would be fun to see anniversary packs after a year or two: please come back and qq hereb:chuckle

Some may have noticed I've been playing less and less again. The game's just less interesting now. They keep trying to "easy mode" it, which just makes it even less "fun".

I mean, I love the new Morai content, and there's lots that can be done there to greatly increase the amount of available "end game" content. Also, the rewards there require actual effort to obtain. (Which just feels even more out of place since they seem hellbent on making it desirable to get from 1-100 in a week these days... "What then?")

I've avoided the whole Frost craze. I'm 101, with no actual content left. That's right, all I have in my available quests is repeatable stuff, and that's pretty dead too at the end of the day.

I've been around since the beginning, and played the previous English-language Perfect World. It's rather sad to see Perfect World poorly monetized by two different companies. It would have been entirely possible for them to foresee that Frost is intrinsically "broken" in terms of game progression and would lead to the original "whales" leaving (if it didn't directly cause the remaining ones to leave, it can't have hurt their decision at all).

I mean, think about it... Frost == buying hypers and charms so that you can use rep. The players don't have any emotional buy-in to the game anymore. I can look back and be immensely proud of my achievements of the almost-four-years since I started playing. There are plenty of people who have been playing less than a month, and have "better" stuff. But they can't say "I earned this through many hours of work in-game."

So if there is any one thing which broke the game, it was "new Frost". It enabled the other things people complain about to happen. And, it's still fixable. Yes, it'd cause lots of people to rage and moan. Yes, it would be some culture shock. Yes, long term, it'd make the game churn reduce. None of these things is intrinsically bad.

In fact, their stock is still on a downward trend, which indicates that the market doesn't think they're doing things right. Perfect World International is their namesake game. If they can create buzz for it again, that would help a lot, surely. A good way of doing that is to reduce churn and get people talking about the game again for long periods of time.

As other people have noted, the world map is pretty much devoid of player activity these days. Making Frost the 75-85ish experience instance it looks designed to be (and not allowing those in who haven't yet obtained the Frost quest chain and greatly nerfing the experience of those above the level range, a la almost every other instance) would be a great start. Packs would start to "matter less" as the demand for their contents naturally diminished, as would rep sales.

That one change alone would do a lot to repopulate the world map (at least for < 75...) and would hinder the rapid level progression enough that people would start feeling emotional ties to the game again, due to the amount of time invested in their characters' progression.

As a side effect of all this, from one simple change, we would see more people doing the things that provide the items people spend tokens on now, simply because tokens will increase in value as fewer people buy packs as the "big" items packs can contain will be less desirable as there will be more saturation for those items. So, Cube would have people doing it for the necklaces and crab meats again, people would farm the world for Utimate Substances again, people would farm the 89 instances for Apocalypse pages again, people would start cash shopping things again (teles, dolls, teleport stones, etc.). They would have to make some of the items more easily obtainable via non-token methods, but that's not game-changing more than anything else they've already done...

They would get bonus points in my book if they also brought back "Old Frost" in some form. It could possibly be available via a quest chain once the Chronoworld Map 1 chain and the extant Frostcovered City chains are done. That would have the bonus benefit of tying together content that otherwise wouldn't tie together at all, even. (As it stands, many of the instanced parts of the map have little influence away from the map section where their entrance is.)

If such an approach proved popular, they could start doing it for other quest chains with new instances. Make the things in our Quest Items inventory useful. We don't need the "Token of the Seven" or "Way of the Celestials" or such otherwise. Turn them into the keys that unlock future instanced content.

Basically, give us a reason to play. Sitting there swiping your credit card gets old fast. Make long-time players who cash shop regularly in small amounts. They'll spend more long-term and help the game's reputation.

(It's 1AM so my ranting may be a bit disjointed and nonsensical. I apologize. Hopefully my core thread of thought remained intact.)

I came back to PWI after having a friend bug the hell out of me to come back for 3+ months after I left, I figured that I might as well try the expansion while I'm at it. 2 and a half month later that same friend doesn't even speak to me unless its to stroke his e-peen over how he farmed nirvana for 10+ hours straight and made this x number of millions of coins, or link his +10 or whatever R8 recast gear (which I don't even bother to look at).

The community is still the same as it was over 5 months ago, if not worse; you are still judged by your gear and refines, plvl noobs that have no clue what they are doing are easier to spot now, and the petty WC dramas are still entertaining to read. And as always, arrogance is everywhere you look. Anyone who denies that there is anything wrong with the ingame community has either not been playing for long or they're contributing to the reason the community is in the shape it is now in one form or another and just don't want to admit it. There are still some good things too, for like the new skills, armor and new instances where every now and then you'll find some cool ppl to chat with.

Oh, and about the company failing to enforce their own rules, making frequent empty promises, and hardly any interaction with the player base...*sigh* I'm not even going to get started on that.


With that said, I will be going on vacation this weekend to Tyria. I heard their famous Lion's Arch-style bacon is very delicious because they use draconic meat, I've got to try some.