Cleric Vs. Physical mobs

Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
edited March 2012 in General Discussion
I hope PWI staff know how much impossible is for a cleric to fight physical mobs.

In Morai mobs are quite all phyisical!

In Tun Su Txin run Cleric is a dead man walking.

I'm bored to play my cleric, because the only way to play it is to heal ppl in istances...nothing else able to do....And I make sure that's very very boring

WHY PWI staff continue to let classes so unbalanced?

Cleric is full of useless skills (a lot of heal skills with same effects)...and not have a simply skill to send away a mob (like psy or archer have)


Please, now trolls can hurt and joke...as the same!
TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
2 - Sin dies
3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
6 - All squad die
7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
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  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Learn to play your cleric better.

    Plume Shell, Guardian Light, Wings of Protection, heals, a decent slow on Cyclone.... And holy path and simply running. Plenty easy to deal with them unless they're literally 3 hitting you, in which case stat some vit and get better gear.
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sounds like you got no clue how to play a cleric. b:surrender

    My cleric is like way behind the current average gears but she does fine with physical mobs...
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  • Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I don't have trouble killing phys mobs on my lvl 75 cleric. And he has crappy gear and a lvl 60 wand >_>"

    Just stack some IH's, and nuke the mob. Cast a plumeshell if needed. Use your seal.
    Mobs hardly even get to reach me before they're dead anyway. The only magic mobs I prefer over phys is the ones that only use DoT's...

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  • Pyrogasm - Heavens Tear
    Pyrogasm - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I hope PWI staff know how much impossible is for a cleric to fight physical mobs.

    In Morai mobs are quite all phyisical!

    In Tun Su Txin run Cleric is a dead man walking.

    I'm bored to play my cleric, because the only way to play it is to heal ppl in istances...nothing else able to do....And I make sure that's very very boring

    WHY PWI staff continue to let classes so unbalanced?

    Cleric is full of useless skills (a lot of heal skills with same effects)...and not have a simply skill to send away a mob (like psy or archer have)


    Please, now trolls can hurt and joke...as the same!

    heh .. CLERIC is a healer .. will always be a healer and its supposed to be nothing more than a healer. In any game, the cleric, is a healer :P.
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  • Paulrogers - Harshlands
    Paulrogers - Harshlands Posts: 653 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I really have no idea what your talking about though... every single mob it seems like in morai is ranged... its hell on my bm and hard on my sin, and im not the only one to say this in my server... Il take phy mobs on my cleric over running ones on my bm anyday
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  • ravenleandra
    ravenleandra Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I got a cleric lvl 80 i play in my spare time.Pure build with alot of hp shards but that doesnt really make a differnce in instances.PvE is ok for me when i do quest/grinding but in instances the Clerics main role is to keep party alive altho some barbs/players in general fails as they rambo mobs.Don't use aoe and expect u to heal.If u dont they die if u do you die.
    I know how Frustrating it is but rather build a class made for damage rather than using cleric to damage as u will most prob die when u get aggro b:laugh
  • Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »
    Learn to play your cleric better.

    Plume Shell, Guardian Light, Wings of Protection, heals, a decent slow on Cyclone.... And holy path and simply running. Plenty easy to deal with them unless they're literally 3 hitting you, in which case stat some vit and get better gear.

    Oh...tank you for ur science...i'm 96 lvl and didnt learn to play my cleric...

    And...How many time u employ to kill a mob with all this skills?....5 minutes each mob?

    How many mana u employ?...an entire bar of mana.

    A cleric kills a mob while a sin or psy kills 10 mobs.

    30 minutes to kills 10 mobs...isn't boring that?

    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't have trouble killing phys mobs on my lvl 75 cleric. And he has crappy gear and a lvl 60 wand >_>"

    Just stack some IH's, and nuke the mob. Cast a plumeshell if needed. Use your seal.
    Mobs hardly even get to reach me before they're dead anyway. The only magic mobs I prefer over phys is the ones that only use DoT's...

    @_@

    Nether me have problem to play till lvl 90

    When you'll fight mobs that deal u 1000 damages per hit and have 50000 HP (and u have only 3000 HP) you'll think about my words.

    P.S. My equip is all TT 90 and have -24% channelling!!!!!
    TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
    1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
    2 - Sin dies
    3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
    4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
    5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
    6 - All squad die
    7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
  • RageKill - Lost City
    RageKill - Lost City Posts: 297 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I am not trying to be rude but it does seem like something is wrong. I know plenty of clerics that were clearing their FB mobs at the appropriate level while waiting on a DPS to log on so they can get the bosses.

    It's not meant to be an easy class anyway. Since you get to heal others and yourself. I actually hate when clerics PK me They get seal off and i am just screwed. They aren't sissy's in this game at all. Try some new techniques.
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    A lot of the mobs in Morai are either purely physical or magical (with a few archer-types, usually the "plant" creatures and the statues)

    As a cleric, you can either heal through the damage, use your damage reduction skills, or just...kite them while attacking. It may take awhile, but clerics arent exactly the strongest of the caster classes in terms of DDing. If you really want to kill quickly, use your debuffs/genie skills to help you.
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  • Ajiuo - Harshlands
    Ajiuo - Harshlands Posts: 708 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh...tank you for ur science...i'm 96 lvl and didnt learn to play my cleric...

    And...How many time u employ to kill a mob with all this skills?....5 minutes each mob?

    How many mana u employ?...an entire bar of mana.

    A cleric kills a mob while a sin or psy kills 10 mobs.

    30 minutes to kills 10 mobs...isn't boring that?




    Nether me have problem to play till lvl 90

    When you'll fight mobs that deal u 1000 damages per hit and have 50000 HP (and u have only 3000 HP) you'll think about my words.

    P.S. My equip is all TT 90 and have -24% channelling!!!!!

    WUT. LOL. I AM LAUGHING SO HARD.
    I'm 94. I have 4045 HP unbuffed. I have 9k+ MP.
    I do NOT take 5 minutes to kill physical mobs. Maybe 1.5 minutes at tops if it's increased life. I DON'T waste my mp bar. What are you doing to your mana? Eating it?
    1000 per hit? Are you even buffed?! lol I don't pay attention to how much phsy mobs hit me for because they hardly ever hit me! It's called KITING. 50k+ Hp is NOT much when you do 9k+ normal hits, which, unless I'm superwoman, all clerics should be doing at this level.
    You sir are a really good troll
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  • Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh...tank you for ur science...i'm 96 lvl and didnt learn to play my cleric...

    And...How many time u employ to kill a mob with all this skills?....5 minutes each mob?

    How many mana u employ?...an entire bar of mana.

    A cleric kills a mob while a sin or psy kills 10 mobs.

    30 minutes to kills 10 mobs...isn't boring that?




    Nether me have problem to play till lvl 90

    When you'll fight mobs that deal u 1000 damages per hit and have 50000 HP (and u have only 3000 HP) you'll think about my words.

    P.S. My equip is all TT 90 and have -24% channelling!!!!!


    O__o; You have 3k hp only? My veno is running in mediocore gear and has near 4k hp if I grab my seeker's ornaments that give +5% hp >_> And that's with 3 base vit and no gear above +3 at lvl 90.

    And with 24% channeling especially you shouldn't have trouble killing stuff that hardly reached you.

    With jones blessing my veno hits for about 10k each, and my cleric manages to crit for 10k without a blessing. So 50k hp shouldn't be a problem >_> especially since you can heal yourself. Also as I said, you have seals to keep stuff at a distance, and a sleep that lasts quite long if it comes too close.
    Anything that hits for 1k and under shouldn't really kill you lol. My cleric doesn't even have 2k hp and can handle stuff up to hits of about 600 each.

    Sure, it's easier killing physical mobs on a HA-class. But a cleric really shouldn't have trouble with it ~__~
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  • HeavensRage - Raging Tide
    HeavensRage - Raging Tide Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    You're just an awful cleric.
  • Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Ajiuo - Harshlands wrote: »
    WUT. LOL. I AM LAUGHING SO HARD.
    I'm 94. I have 4045 HP unbuffed. I have 9k+ MP.
    I do NOT take 5 minutes to kill physical mobs. Maybe 1.5 minutes at tops if it's increased life. I DON'T waste my mp bar. What are you doing to your mana? Eating it?

    You sir are a really good troll


    Please read better my answer before reply

    I was saying that i CAN'T use a lot of skill because they waste my mana (not that I usually waste my mana).

    I certanly employ less of 1,5 minute to kill a mob....but my psy kills a mob in 6 sec (3 hit).

    In 1 min my psy kills 10 mobs while my cleric kills only ONE!!!

    That's make cleric class unbalanced and boring to play.
    TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
    1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
    2 - Sin dies
    3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
    4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
    5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
    6 - All squad die
    7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
  • Sparklecat - Harshlands
    Sparklecat - Harshlands Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    b:chuckle it's not hard to kill phys mobs on a cleric... and why do you have only 3k hp.... my cleric's 83 and i have 3.6k hp. If it's really that hard for you, just squad up with someone and kill them.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Take off some of that channeling gear and switch to phys def ornaments, and shard some garnets in your armor and you'll greatly increase your survivability vs. physical mobs. (You should have phys def ornaments anyway for when you're sitting in BB and getting hit by phys AOEs (Lord of Percussion, Soulbanisher for instance) or archers (Rebirth); -chan does nothing to benefit you while you're BBing.
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  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sorry but the MP issue is making me laugh.

    My cleric is full Vit and has a low MP pool (sub 8k) and very low power (Healing is largely skill numbers so she still heals fine) and still manages to kill mobs in 20 seconds and uses pots.... Well doing the Morai dailies she tends to use like 5 herbs. She hardly needs them to say the least.

    You need to try another class. Maybe a wizard if you can't deal with healing, you'll see very quickly how hard it can be to use shrink / FoW / WotP without getting yourself into even more trouble, let alone the lack of a heal worth a damn. Clerics are a great class, you're quite simply just doing it wrong.

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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was saying that i CAN'T use a lot of skill because they waste my mana (not that I usually waste my mana).

    Not even my mystic uses that much mana. And she's way worse than any cleric...
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  • XLawBreakerX - Sanctuary
    XLawBreakerX - Sanctuary Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    lmao ive played cleric for a day and im sure i am a far better cleric than you fail ***..
  • mrbufarra
    mrbufarra Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    omg, make another character if u dislike your cleric. I can kill mobs easy with my cleric lv.82 and seems like everybody can, except you... b:bye
  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh...tank you for ur science...i'm 96 lvl and didnt learn to play my cleric...

    And...How many time u employ to kill a mob with all this skills?....5 minutes each mob?

    How many mana u employ?...an entire bar of mana.

    A cleric kills a mob while a sin or psy kills 10 mobs.

    30 minutes to kills 10 mobs...isn't boring that?




    Nether me have problem to play till lvl 90

    When you'll fight mobs that deal u 1000 damages per hit and have 50000 HP (and u have only 3000 HP) you'll think about my words.

    P.S. My equip is all TT 90 and have -24% channelling!!!!!

    I think the problem is not good gear or even knowledge of the class and skills in general, its the fact you have not figured out you are a support class. The sooner you figure that out, the easier your time will be with your class. 99% casters I have squaded with in instances and mobs had the same problem, the 1% was less than adequate gear. Anyway the new maps promotes squads and teamwork. Just like with any other none solo'd type quests, if you cant handle the mobs or bosses, get help. I hardly had any problems with any mobs with my cleric even with npc gear. If i did have a problem I would get help, or skip the quest till i could get some.
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  • Yin - Momaganon
    Yin - Momaganon Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    b:chuckle
  • Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Anyway the new maps promotes squads and teamwork. Just like with any other none solo'd type quests, if you cant handle the mobs or bosses, get help. I hardly had any problems with any mobs with my cleric even with npc gear. If i did have a problem I would get help, or skip the quest till i could get some.

    I agree with u.

    I always try to fight in squad mode, not difficult for a cleric to be invited...but...but...

    But sometimes i'd like to do any quest by myself...It's boring only heal and heal other ppl and let them fight for you.

    I'd like just a little skill that REALLY help cleric in fight...it would be nice PWI insert it in this release.

    VIOLET DANCE is truely unuseful!
    TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
    1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
    2 - Sin dies
    3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
    4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
    5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
    6 - All squad die
    7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I agree with u.

    I always try to fight in squad mode, not difficult for a cleric to be invited...but...but...

    But sometimes i'd like to do any quest by myself...It's boring only heal and heal other ppl and let them fight for you.

    I'd like just a little skill that REALLY help cleric in fight...it would be nice PWI insert it in this release.

    VIOLET DANCE is truely unuseful!

    Sorry but being able to heal about 4k HP a second gives you effectively unlimited health. You do not need any new skills to help you fight, not for PvE anyway.
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  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Please read better my answer before reply

    I was saying that i CAN'T use a lot of skill because they waste my mana (not that I usually waste my mana).

    I certanly employ less of 1,5 minute to kill a mob....but my psy kills a mob in 6 sec (3 hit).

    In 1 min my psy kills 10 mobs while my cleric kills only ONE!!!

    That's make cleric class unbalanced and boring to play.

    Um.... are you just meditating between each mob to get your mana back instead of using mp pots of some kind?

    If the answer is "yes", I don't know what to tell you, other than stop being cheap and get some pots. Or stop being lazy and farm herbs to make pots, do divine contract quests to get pots....

    Mana stopped being an issue for me the day I hit 75, ijs.

    Also, of course a psychic is going to kill mobs faster than your cleric. Psychic is a DD class, while cleric is a support class. b:surrender
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    ... Your cleric can get into Morai... And you don't know how to kill easy physical mobs with it...?

    Dude... Useless skills...? Plume Shell, WoP, Guardian Light, 2 OP Seals, cyclone has a slow effect, and heavy hitting metal damage attacks... The hell clerics have useless skills.

    Only "useless" skill is BotP... And hell. I'm sure there's a use for it... I just don't know what it is x.x
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Cleric's going to kill the odd IMR mob faster than a psychic, though
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  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »
    Sorry but being able to heal about 4k HP a second gives you effectively unlimited health. You do not need any new skills to help you fight, not for PvE anyway.

    Well to be honest, I understand her point as well, you can encounter mobs where you are healing and dd'n at the same time. I will admit it has gottem me in a tight situation, mainly i bit off more than i could chew. I think her point was concerning you are healing more than your are attacking. But I see your point as well, I think from self heals there is enough already, just have to ajust your play style to what you can do
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  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ... Your cleric can get into Morai... And you don't know how to kill easy physical mobs with it...?

    Dude... Useless skills...? Plume Shell, WoP, Guardian Light, 2 OP Seals, cyclone has a slow effect, and heavy hitting metal damage attacks... The hell clerics have useless skills.

    Only "useless" skill is BotP... And hell. I'm sure there's a use for it... I just don't know what it is x.x

    Geshur reroll a barb and join my barb guild b:surrenderb:bye
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  • Sabella - Harshlands
    Sabella - Harshlands Posts: 213 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I think OP needs to reroll a new cleric and stay away from buying heads.
  • Bryanshrimp - Lost City
    Bryanshrimp - Lost City Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Your level has nothing to do with your ability to play cleric. Im sorry many fail people make it to 103 and above and are still clueless. Personally think you need to work on gear and skills if morai is giving you trouble. I expect clerics to strugle at lvl 30 with physical mobs not at 9x. Also if you find healing boring you obviously rolled the wrong class.

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