Cleric Vs. Physical mobs

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  • Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    FatalFem - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Her sig has a quote from Albert Einstein. Maybe you've heard of him? It isn't hurtful, if the shoe fits...

    Why you dont understand my umoristic answer?...It's not difficult to undertsnd...I'm sorry for you.
    TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
    1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
    2 - Sin dies
    3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
    4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
    5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
    6 - All squad die
    7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Yin - Momaganon wrote: »
    BotP can be used to get chi without using mana

    Only if you haven't leveled it. If you have, Wellspring Surge is a more mana-efficient chi pump, and Blessing of the Purehearted ends up being a more powerful (if slower) instant heal than Wellspring, while using less mana than Stream of Rejuvenation.
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  • Cody_tylor - Sanctuary
    Cody_tylor - Sanctuary Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I hope PWI staff know how much impossible is for a cleric to fight physical mobs.

    In Morai mobs are quite all phyisical!

    In Tun Su Txin run Cleric is a dead man walking.

    I'm bored to play my cleric, because the only way to play it is to heal ppl in istances...nothing else able to do....And I make sure that's very very boring

    WHY PWI staff continue to let classes so unbalanced?

    Cleric is full of useless skills (a lot of heal skills with same effects)...and not have a simply skill to send away a mob (like psy or archer have)


    Please, now trolls can hurt and joke...as the same!

    I am guessing you don't know nothing about cyclone or tempest.... Please tell me you are joking...

    Seriously, vs physical MOBS? All you have to do is kite? If they are ranged, go up close and attack in close. You should know what to do on a LVL95... I known about this since my cleric was like LVL10 -_-". Frost covered city noob.
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  • SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ... Your cleric can get into Morai... And you don't know how to kill easy physical mobs with it...?

    Dude... Useless skills...? Plume Shell, WoP, Guardian Light, 2 OP Seals, cyclone has a slow effect, and heavy hitting metal damage attacks... The hell clerics have useless skills.

    Only "useless" skill is BotP... And hell. I'm sure there's a use for it... I just don't know what it is x.x

    Yup. Its to gain chi quickly when you have a moment. Lol. I use it in combination with wellspring as a macro to gain one spark...and not eat 1000 mana each turn like Sage SOR does . b:laughb:laughb:laugh
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  • Yin - Momaganon
    Yin - Momaganon Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Only if you haven't leveled it. If you have, Wellspring Surge is a more mana-efficient chi pump, and Blessing of the Purehearted ends up being a more powerful (if slower) instant heal than Wellspring, while using less mana than Stream of Rejuvenation.

    I used to have macro for chibuilding at lower lvl that has lvl1 BotP and Wellspring. But anyway all cleric skills has their uses ^_^
  • TCHP - Lost City
    TCHP - Lost City Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited February 2012
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  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh...tank you for ur science...i'm 96 lvl and didnt learn to play my cleric...

    And...How many time u employ to kill a mob with all this skills?....5 minutes each mob?

    How many mana u employ?...an entire bar of mana.

    A cleric kills a mob while a sin or psy kills 10 mobs.

    30 minutes to kills 10 mobs...isn't boring that?




    Nether me have problem to play till lvl 90

    When you'll fight mobs that deal u 1000 damages per hit and have 50000 HP (and u have only 3000 HP) you'll think about my words.

    P.S. My equip is all TT 90 and have -24% channelling!!!!!

    If you are having problems with phys mobs, shard some garnets. I have always been in the group that says garnets>citrines. Stack IH and kill them. It's all you really need.
  • ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide
    ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    reroll, youre a bad cleric.
    Demon SoR will keep you alive all the time. get it.
  • Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Ok. I just wrote a ton of advice, and it just deleted, so I'll ask this...

    Take care, and good luck ingame.

    Ty vm for ur little guide...I'm sorry you rewrite it for me.

    I just read something about 1 year ago, when i start to play my cleric...and i apply all u say.

    ...Buit is not this the sense of my topic.

    I'm not asking HOW to play my toon....I'm asking to PWI community if cleric class would be enanched to became more fun to play.
    (Obviously trolls answer what they want to answer...like..."you're an *** to play"..."I'm the best"..."I kill 20 mobs whith only 1 hand"...an so on...stupid unuseful ppl)

    I make an example

    Cleric have 3 similar heal skill: WS, BopH, IH....they are very very similar...unuseful. Why?

    It should be better eliminate one of these skills and add a skill to aid cleric on DD?



    TY all ppl who partecipate this discussion seriously and usefully

    Sorry..It'd be better i post this discussion in cleric class section
    TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
    1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
    2 - Sin dies
    3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
    4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
    5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
    6 - All squad die
    7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I hope PWI staff know how much impossible is for a cleric to fight physical mobs.

    In Morai mobs are quite all phyisical!

    In Tun Su Txin run Cleric is a dead man walking.

    I'm bored to play my cleric, because the only way to play it is to heal ppl in istances...nothing else able to do....And I make sure that's very very boring

    WHY PWI staff continue to let classes so unbalanced?

    Cleric is full of useless skills (a lot of heal skills with same effects)...and not have a simply skill to send away a mob (like psy or archer have)


    Please, now trolls can hurt and joke...as the same!

    What the hell have you been doing from lv 1 til now? Clerics are fine against physical mobs. If anything, it's a lot less boring than physical classes. Clerics don't need knock back skills because they have 2 seals, also, you can get Earthquake.
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  • Yin - Momaganon
    Yin - Momaganon Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Cleric heals are not similar. WS is quikheal,IH stacks,BotP I dont use,SoR heals a lot but is slowish and demon version gives p.def buff.

    For me, cleric is only fun class to play so I dont really see point to improve it. There are more important balancing problems to do than improve clerics which are doing pretty well against any other class.
  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ty vm for ur little guide...I'm sorry you rewrite it for me.

    I just read something about 1 year ago, when i start to play my cleric...and i apply all u say.

    ...Buit is not this the sense of my topic.

    I'm not asking HOW to play my toon....I'm asking to PWI community if cleric class would be enanched to became more fun to play.

    Obviously trolls answer what they want to answer...(I'm an *** to play...they are the best...an so on..)


    For example

    Cleric have 3 similar heal skill: WS, BopH, IH....they are very very similar...unuseful. Why?

    It should be better eliminate one of these skills and add a skill to aid cleric on DD?

    They're similar but entirely different in use. Ironheart doesn't restore hp fast, but it restores a lot and stacks to buffer against damage, Wellspring heals instantly but not for so much and will require more healing immediately on a tank. Blessing is just kinda meh, although it has -some- use.

    I don't get it, what do you want? You have Phy and magic DD, heals and seals and the easiest levelling in the game (Short of maybe sins) as well as one of the least monotonous jobs.
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  • TCHP - Lost City
    TCHP - Lost City Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    The 5 healing skill are not the same and are very usefull, depending on the situation.

    IH is the most often use skill, Obviously cause it stack and gives the cleric time to do damage.

    WS is the fast channel and save your bottom if you do something wrong.

    PH is BS and should never be use. Unless your waiting on something and want to heal someone in 1 shot.

    Stream demon version pump the P def lv a bit so your less squishy, use whit 1 IH.

    And Sun beam is AOE ....

    How do those skill relate to be the same...

    Why don't you just close this tread....


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  • SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ty vm for ur little guide...I'm sorry you rewrite it for me.

    I just read something about 1 year ago, when i start to play my cleric...and i apply all u say.

    ...Buit is not this the sense of my topic.

    I'm not asking HOW to play my toon....I'm asking to PWI community if cleric class would be enanched to became more fun to play.
    (Obviously trolls answer what they want to answer...like..."you're an *** to play"..."I'm the best"..."I kill 20 mobs whith only 1 hand"...an so on...stupid unuseful ppl)

    I make an example

    Cleric have 3 similar heal skill: WS, BopH, IH....they are very very similar...unuseful. Why?

    It should be better eliminate one of these skills and add a skill to aid cleric on DD?



    TY all ppl who partecipate this discussion seriously and usefully

    Sorry..It'd be better i post this discussion in cleric class section

    As others have said, the heals are not the same.

    IH = A stackable heal. This heal is a stabilizer that heals over time, and is the heal that keeps your squad alive. Sage version allows for even more healing power, and demon version heals mp as well.

    WS = A quick instant heal. This is useful for saving a DD that grabbed aggro, Its quite effective in aggro ping pong, and gives decent chi gain too. Sage version is faster, so more effective in aggro ping pong, whereas demon version restores more chi.

    BotP = Doesn't win in any sense. Good for a chi macro. Sage/demon skills here are negligible. I use it for an accidental button press or chi.

    SoR = A massive instant heal combined with a heal over time. Useful for chi, and for healing tanks with high hp. Sage restores more chi, whereas demon grants 100% extra pdef for 10 secs.

    CHB = AOE heal. Sage increases range, whereas demon heals for more.

    BB= Constant heal, and reduces damage by half.

    The heals all have their usage. Sure, we could go with more skills for DD, but there are other things we need first.

    *Phys. att. mastery. (Clerics should get this, since other classes get mastery for the multiple elements of their skills.)

    *Anti stun.

    *Knockback.

    *Speed Skills.

    *A few other things...maybe a few skills from a different element combined with their mastery...since its possible right now to make an anti cleric genie.

    That said, we could use a few more DD skills, but even as we are, we can still do lots of damage to mobs in pve.

    You're Welcome for the info. Hope that it helped some. b:victoryb:thanks
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  • _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Lol. Just go make a sin.
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  • Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As others have said, the heals are not the same.

    *Knockback.


    Yep...that's what i ask in my first post

    A skill that knockbacks physical mobs like psy or archer have.

    I'd like PWI inserts in new expansion this skill insthead of Violet dance (quite unuseful in my opinion...using it i dont deal many more damnage and cant heal...so i never use it)

    Anyone find Violet Dance useful?
    TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
    1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
    2 - Sin dies
    3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
    4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
    5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
    6 - All squad die
    7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
  • Ajiuo - Harshlands
    Ajiuo - Harshlands Posts: 708 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yep...that's what i ask in my first post

    A skill that knockbacks physical mobs like psy or archer have.

    I'd like PWI inserts in new expansion this skill insthead of Violet dance (quite unuseful in my opinion...using it i dont deal many more damnage and cant heal...so i never use it)

    Anyone find Violet Dance useful?

    ... Get genie skill earthquake. Jeez
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  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yep...that's what i ask in my first post

    A skill that knockbacks physical mobs like psy or archer have.

    I'd like PWI inserts in new expansion this skill insthead of Violet dance (quite unuseful in my opinion...using it i dont deal many more damnage and cant heal...so i never use it)

    Anyone find Violet Dance useful?

    I do. Helps me look ****ing cool when I cast it. And I hit mildly harder. Vit build and knowing how to play means I don't need to heal very often so switching in and out isn't a issue.

    That aside tho, I will admit Clerics got incredibly screwed in the expansion. But at least if you work for it you get o exp loss ever again, then dying to these mobs won't bother you :3
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  • Yin - Momaganon
    Yin - Momaganon Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Anyone find Violet Dance useful?

    I use it when I'm doing morai dailies,boosts dmg like 1 refine level on weapon, and if squad has other cleric who is taking care of heals I can go on violet dance. Yet I haven't tried much in PK but I think there can be found nice combo that include violet dance.
  • SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yep...that's what i ask in my first post

    A skill that knockbacks physical mobs like psy or archer have.

    I'd like PWI inserts in new expansion this skill insthead of Violet dance (quite unuseful in my opinion...using it i dont deal many more damnage and cant heal...so i never use it)

    Anyone find Violet Dance useful?

    I've been posting about a knockback skill for some time now. At current however, the genie skill earthquake is the closest that we have. Its not the best, but it is something.

    Violet dance does need to be revamped. The tweaked skills for other classes, but refuse to tweak this one...when it has generated an overwhelming negative response from cleric players. Its detriments outweigh its benefits, and so it is not a feasible move to use. I once said that I'd use it when tanking bh39 for lowbies, but I don't think that I'll even use it there. I'll probably use it for afk'ing, and for when I'm visiting the starting village, and teaching the newbies...just to show off an aura of power a bit. Lol. b:laugh

    Like I said, I can't log in at the moment, so I don't have it. Wish that I did though. Lol. (Just to say that I have it...not to say that its useful or anything.)
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  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I've been posting about a knockback skill for some time now. At current however, the genie skill earthquake is the closest that we have. Its not the best, but it is something.

    Violet dance does need to be revamped. The tweaked skills for other classes, but refuse to tweak this one...when it has generated an overwhelming negative response from cleric players. Its detriments outweigh its benefits, and so it is not a feasible move to use. I once said that I'd use it when tanking bh39 for lowbies, but I don't think that I'll even use it there. I'll probably use it for afk'ing, and for when I'm visiting the starting village, and teaching the newbies...just to show off an aura of power a bit. Lol. b:laugh

    Like I said, I can't log in at the moment, so I don't have it. Wish that I did though. Lol. (Just to say that I have it...not to say that its useful or anything.)

    You'll spam it when you're bored, the animation is ****ing cool :D
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  • IHunter - Raging Tide
    IHunter - Raging Tide Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Yin - Momaganon wrote: »
    BotP can be used to get chi without using mana

    My cleric has BotP at lvl 1 and a macro with IH followed by BotP. With this macro he can auto heal for an hour (until buffs run out) and use no MP. I don't actually play him any more, he's now a buffer and auto healer for my other chars.

    @OP - apparently a lot of clerics don't agree that the class is boring, so there doesn't seem to be a widespread problem to fix. Every class has it's deficiencies, but that is what makes the game good - working around the deficiencies to achieve the goal. If your cleric is boring for you, don't play it.
  • Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear
    Sibyll_DeVir - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I've been posting about a knockback skill for some time now. At current however, the genie skill earthquake is the closest that we have. Its not the best, but it is something.

    Violet dance does need to be revamped. The tweaked skills for other classes, but refuse to tweak this one...when it has generated an overwhelming negative response from cleric players. Its detriments outweigh its benefits, and so it is not a feasible move to use. I once said that I'd use it when tanking bh39 for lowbies, but I don't think that I'll even use it there. I'll probably use it for afk'ing, and for when I'm visiting the starting village, and teaching the newbies...just to show off an aura of power a bit. Lol. b:laugh

    Like I said, I can't log in at the moment, so I don't have it. Wish that I did though. Lol. (Just to say that I have it...not to say that its useful or anything.)

    Thank u very much...i tought was the only one that find Violet dance unuseful.

    When i see a new skill for aid cleric in fight, i immediatly gain it...But i think i waste 500 k....Only cool special effects but nothing else.

    In Morai where u had to attak-heal-attack-heal it's quite deleterious using it.

    Hope in a knockback skill.
    TYPICAL SEQUENCE OF A SQUAD FAULT:
    1 - Sin doesnt control his aggro (90% of sins are noobs)
    2 - Sin dies
    3 - Sin asks insistently to be ress (80% of sins are noobs and uneducate)
    4 - Cleric try to ress him (exasperated by asking of the Sin)
    5 - While Cleric ress Tank dies
    6 - All squad die
    7 - LAST THE SIN SAYS: CLERIC IS AN ***!b:angry
  • Baby_pho - Heavens Tear
    Baby_pho - Heavens Tear Posts: 636 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    you should be able to kill morai mobs bfor it gets to you =.='. use the violet dance for those mobs if you have to.
  • TCHP - Lost City
    TCHP - Lost City Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Violet dance is not made for pve imo. it's made for pvp, since it compare the soul force and add damage depending on the difference. For PVE it only add something like 1 lv refining like someone said. Still 1k more damage is 1k more damage.

    I don't think the skill is not use full. Just like all the cleric skill they have to be use at the right moment for the right situation.

    And I don't see why a cleric need a knock back skill. I kill mob in fb99 alone using this.

    Crom seal, ele debuff, IH, V dance, 3 spark, silent seal, WT, cyclone, TB, Cyclone, WT V dance, IH any damage to finish mob. If physical mob then pop Shield before u finish him.

    On 3 spark, the mob usually hit 1 or 2 times. Witch is no big deal.

    I had Occult ice on one of my genie U can also freeze the target when both seal are in CD.

    There are so many ways to prevent a mob from killing a cleric...

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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Against open world mobs you could just...cyclone -> walk -> cyclone -> walk...

    That was before I had the 2 seals as cleric, and it worked OK even against archer mobs...later on against faster things it doesnt work well, and you'll need holy path and the 2 seals (like melee mobs in cube...or dumb aps bms in cube)
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  • Sir_Puma - Raging Tide
    Sir_Puma - Raging Tide Posts: 780 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Physical mobs are almost a cleric's dream come true. It's the kind of mobs ur sleep spell works best on. Jusy cyclone them, plume shot, or whatever and when they get too close, sleep them and go back as far as u can and repeat, with the occasional IH to keep yourself healed..
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  • FragiIe - Dreamweaver
    FragiIe - Dreamweaver Posts: 397 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I have a low level cleric...46 and physical mobs are dead before they ever get to me...they maybe get one swipe at me if they're lucky
  • hokage78
    hokage78 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Even though yes I have a 100 R8 cleric, most physical mobs aren't a problem with me.

    Than again, I didn't buy heads to level my cleric....
  • Nymphali - Dreamweaver
    Nymphali - Dreamweaver Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    How to stop sucking:

    Wear Physical Necklace and Belt. Refine them to plus 5.

    Now when fighting mobs, physical or not, have all your buffs in and stack 3 IHs and kick them all around.

    Not clerics who're screwed, you that's not using your features well.

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