Sooo... Did clerics get screwed on new skills?
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That new damage amp from clerics is pretty good. Venos are able to get into aps nirv squads based off nothing more than their amp.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
I have to ask, what is it exactly that keeps you from DDing? When you have the option to do so cause of the second cleric. The low damage? The squishyness? The fact that there is a stereotype for healing type classes that most people can't seem to break?
It's mostly that I have OCD when it comes to health bars. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Prettymcbabe - Sanctuary wrote: »oh for the love of god, please can some mod end this thread, if only for the reason to quite this "futurelord"? Seriously, my neck is killing me from looking up at him on his pedestal. lord knows Im thankful he's on a different server, Id hate to think of having him/her is squad with me...lol sorry futurelord, you're just not the top authority on Clerics, and their skills. you may be an adequate cleric, but Ill bet you're more trouble than its worth...lol you probably just bark out at everyone in squad, telling them what they do wrong, I mean since you're rarely wrong, that is what you said isn't it? You have your style of play, other people have theirs, why be so critical about them? and he is one thing you are wrong about, when two clerics are in squad, never have I seen them fight, and when I'm on my cleric, I have never had to argue about who heals or DD's, sorry if you and the clerics you've played with have had a hard time figuring out something so simple...lol
My past post clearly states that pro clerics should not be fighting over who does what. I said it TWICE. ~Sigh~ reading comprehension fail.
Excuse me while I get off my high place to use the bathroom.
I have not once criticized other's playstyle, I have remained on the topic of the new skills and their disadvantages.
When everything is said and done I feel quite successful with the way people incorrectly comprehend the meanings of my words. Though in some cases, completely ignore my posts and begin arguing the same bits that I have already covered.
Edit: You are right tho, I am a handful in squad with it comes to arguments, debates, and ideas. However I have been known to be correct 85% of the time. If the other person wants to rage over what I say that's their choice. I only respond harshly when the person opposing me is doing so in a manner that shows their lack of education. Otherwise I'm content on just talking about shirtless guys and butterfly tattoos with friends.Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »It's mostly that I have OCD when it comes to health bars. b:chuckle
Hehe I can totally understand that.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
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Prettymcbabe - Sanctuary wrote: »oh for the love of god, please can some mod end this thread, if only for the reason to quite this "futurelord"? Seriously, my neck is killing me from looking up at him on his pedestal. lord knows Im thankful he's on a different server, Id hate to think of having him/her is squad with me...lol sorry futurelord, you're just not the top authority on Clerics, and their skills. you may be an adequate cleric, but Ill bet you're more trouble than its worth...lol you probably just bark out at everyone in squad, telling them what they do wrong, I mean since you're rarely wrong, that is what you said isn't it? You have your style of play, other people have theirs, why be so critical about them? and he is one thing you are wrong about, when two clerics are in squad, never have I seen them fight, and when I'm on my cleric, I have never had to argue about who heals or DD's, sorry if you and the clerics you've played with have had a hard time figuring out something so simple...lol
hehe yea be happy, Had one encounter with him, and my thought after was that he is full of himself xD. i'm quite happy I dont get to squad him xD.
to say i dont rememebr him as a bad cleric, but just the attitude thats annoying. he's around average of what I remember, speaks about stuff can be done in theory, instead of how it actually goes.
he's kinda obessed with clerics as well, if you haven't noticed he post in anything related to cleric lol.105 - 105 - 105 (14th march 2014)
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Heartz - Dreamweaver wrote: »hehe yea be happy, Had one encounter with him, and my thought after was that he is full of himself xD. i'm quite happy I dont get to squad him xD.
to say i dont rememebr him as a bad cleric, but just the attitude thats annoying. he's around average of what I remember, speaks about stuff can be done in theory, instead of how it actually goes.
he's kinda obessed with clerics as well, if you haven't noticed he post in anything related to cleric lol.Truth!
Oh god your old. Bad goonz glitcher bad! You cant really make an accurate judgement on my personality from just one encounter. I go through the motions quite rapidly.
At least you don't lie and call me a fail cleric just cause you don't like me like some people I shall not name. (Cough*Zanny boy*Cough) Props to that.Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »Or you just highlight the text and click this purrty little button here.
That...was quite helpful thank you. Now teach me how to main rainbows dammit!b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
Depends on cool down/ Mana consumption etc.....From what I've read the new shell/metal mag and no exp lose is a nice add for clerics. Than again we don't know the full details could be garbage could be awesome who knows. The same could be said for the other new class skills if the archer stealth has a 5 min cool down that might be crummy.0
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Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »It's mostly that I have OCD when it comes to health bars. b:chuckle
Me too, to the extent that occasionally when I'm on my wizzy I'll throw in a heal or two just to keep the bars red.
On topic: Someone earlier stated that the Metal Mage Mode has a 15 sec cooldown. Can anyone confirm that? My thought was that if it had a short cooldown like the veno fox form, we could stack IH on the tank(or ourselves if soloing), pop into MMM, toss a debuff or attack, and pop out - back to healing/regular DD, like some venos do with Amplify. If it is indeed 15 seconds or longer, then that idea is out and we're back to the two cleric squad/mini-wizzy tactic.
As far as the no exp loss: for those of us who chose to quest our way to 100+, it would have been nice to have had, even as late as lvl 95. For those that use the hyper/FC shortcut, I can see how it would be of little benefit.There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.b:chuckle0 -
Chrisssss - Sanctuary wrote: »Depends on cool down/ Mana consumption etc.....From what I've read the new shell/metal mag and no exp lose is a nice add for clerics. Than again we don't know the full details could be garbage could be awesome who knows. The same could be said for the other new class skills if the archer stealth has a 5 min cool down that might be crummy.
Once every 5 mins they can surprise butt sex someone with a one shot. Seems quite fine to me.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »That...was Quite Helpful Thank You. Now Teach Me How To Main Rainbows Dammit!
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Oh sweet Jesus...
But you know what I meant! I want the power of rainbow words!
Edit: ...Wait...Does quoting really change my name to a lowercase F?b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
O.O Double rainbow... so intense...There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.b:chuckle0
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_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »From what I can see and what I have heard, The new cleric skills are garbage compared to the rest...
What are you grumping about, when the change hasn't been made yet? How can you know if something will be a problem, when no one has had a chance to try out skills? We dont even really know precisely what the skills are, or what they will do, since most of our info comes from iffy translations of the oriental version of the game?
I think its a wait and see situation.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SunriseWind - Heavens Tear wrote: »What are you grumping about, when the change hasn't been made yet? How can you know if something will be a problem, when no one has had a chance to try out skills? We dont even really know precisely what the skills are, or what they will do, since most of our info comes from iffy translations of the oriental version of the game?
I think its a wait and see situation.
Iffy translations aside, Bubbles who provide most of this information, happens to have already tested out the new skills on the cn server. So its not entirely without merit.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
Heartz - Dreamweaver wrote: »hehe yea be happy, Had one encounter with him, and my thought after was that he is full of himself xD. i'm quite happy I dont get to squad him xD.
to say i dont rememebr him as a bad cleric, but just the attitude thats annoying. he's around average of what I remember, speaks about stuff can be done in theory, instead of how it actually goes.
he's kinda obessed with clerics as well, if you haven't noticed he post in anything related to cleric lol.
I would have to agree, the fact he keeps coming back to comment on everything said about him says a lot, and not in a good way... but you know the really sad thing? there are people out there in the real world that have to deal with him everyday
just imagine, what if he was someone you had to work with, or be in school with? all day everyday... scary I mean who wants to be surrounded by all his greatness lol you just couldn't feel like you measure up, could you? I know I don't ;D
futurelord you'll never understand this, but its people like you that make playing games a real downer, with all your self righteousness... now take a deep breath, relax, release... ok now you're ready to make some ridiculous comment...0 -
Prettymcbabe - Sanctuary wrote: »I would have to agree, the fact he keeps coming back to comment on everything said about him says a lot, and not in a good way... but you know the really sad thing? there are people out there in the real world that have to deal with him everyday just imagine, what if he was someone you had to work with, or be in school with? all day everyday... scary I mean who wants to be surrounded by all his greatness lol you just couldn't feel like you measure up, could you? I know I don't ;D
futurelord you'll never understand this, but its people like you that make playing games a real downer, with all your self righteousness... now take a deep breath, relax, release... ok now you're ready to make some ridiculous comment...
Real world personality =/= Internet personality.
That being said, this is a gaming environment with competition.
That being said, this is a forum where people are voicing their opinions about skills.
I'm within my right to act superior because I have looked at the translations and added it to my many years of experience to come up with logically sound opinions. I am also pointing out the flaws in many people's statement because they have failed to fully understand what I have written, thus saying something that false.
To base your opinion of me as a human being using the content of this one thread is inaccurate and immature.
Find one of my "Rare" friends on the Dreamweaver server and you might get an idea of who I am as a person, until such times, Deal with it.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »Iffy translations aside, Bubbles who provide most of this information, happens to have already tested out the new skills on the cn server. So its not entirely without merit.
Bubble's doesn't have a character high enough on PWCN to test these out, lol. I think you misunderstood her somewhere.0 -
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Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »Think they mean Korren.
I can see getting you and Korren mixed up, but Bubbles? b:shocked0 -
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Is also a Psychic!
Anyways, my cleric not likely to ever go into metal mage mode. I'm too anal retentive about HP bars. They must be full. ALL THE TIME. b:angry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »Anyways, my cleric not likely to ever go into metal mage mode. I'm too anal retentive about HP bars. They must be full. ALL THE TIME. b:angry
/highfive
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Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »Bubble's doesn't have a character high enough on PWCN to test these out, lol. I think you misunderstood her somewhere.
Yea I do that sometimes.Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »Think they mean Korren.
Oh really now? Interesting.Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »b:cute
Is also a Psychic!
Anyways, my cleric not likely to ever go into metal mage mode. I'm too anal retentive about HP bars. They must be full. ALL THE TIME. b:angry
Ah, the mindsets of clerics at its best.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »b:cute
Is also a Psychic!
Anyways, my cleric not likely to ever go into metal mage mode. I'm too anal retentive about HP bars. They must be full. ALL THE TIME. b:angry
b:kiss Same Ker!!!
You know me and been in my squads!! b:surrender I HATE charm ticks, I would rather charm tick myself then have someone else's charm tick b:chuckle (PvE...PvP a little different
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Prettymcbabe - Sanctuary wrote: »oh for the love of god, please can some mod end this thread, if only for the reason to quite this "futurelord"? Seriously, my neck is killing me from looking up at him on his pedestal. lord knows Im thankful he's on a different server, Id hate to think of having him/her is squad with me...lol sorry futurelord, you're just not the top authority on Clerics, and their skills. you may be an adequate cleric, but Ill bet you're more trouble than its worth...lol you probably just bark out at everyone in squad, telling them what they do wrong, I mean since you're rarely wrong, that is what you said isn't it? You have your style of play, other people have theirs, why be so critical about them? and he is one thing you are wrong about, when two clerics are in squad, never have I seen them fight, and when I'm on my cleric, I have never had to argue about who heals or DD's, sorry if you and the clerics you've played with have had a hard time figuring out something so simple...lol
b:laughb:laugh Couldn't help but semi agree and laugh at thisKerona - Sanctuary wrote: »b:cute
Is also a Psychic!
Anyways, my cleric not likely to ever go into metal mage mode. I'm too anal retentive about HP bars. They must be full. ALL THE TIME. b:angry
I agree 150%
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Lots of agruements back and forth about the usefulness of the new skills, but lets face it we won't know how good/lame they are until we can actually test them out.
My main's a cleric and I solo tons of stuff on him so I might enjoy a power boost for PvE and solo PvP. TW not sure how things will go, but again we have to wait and see what things are going to be like.
And for all of you that QQ about cleric's are healers and not DDer's well stop the DDer's from being so OP that they don't need heals anywhere but the bosses (even there not really a lot of times) Half the time on a BH mobs are dead before I am even in range of healing someone because they run off ahead with no care in the world. So why heal if no one needs it? But that's kind of off topic. I'll save my QQing over the new skills for after I have tried them out and found that PW failed again b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »Don't most people at level 90+ have at least one way of keeping themselves alive without clerics? Even if that fail of a cleric (Who could have easily tanked the boss him/herself and sped along the killing process) didn't heal others, you can not rely on cleric heals in a squad unless your a tank. There are 5 players to focus on and only 1 person can be healed at a time (aoe heal is just too slow!) someone will be sacrificed.
Since I have R8 weapon and is soon getting R9 I have learned the dynamic of squads with more then one cleric. The one who does the most damage has the greater right to DD. That being said, the one who has the best defense/hp has the greater right to BB (Not heal) during bosses that tend to do nasty aoe damage. Even tho I love to DD in 2 cleric squads I am willing to become healer if the other cleric is too squishy. Pro clerics shouldn't fight over who does what.
The squads that usually have the highest success rate are squads with 2 clerics in them.
Now someone explain to me why squads think they can get away with only having one cleric in caster nirvana? There is no logic to this. With the knowledge that bosses use interrupts on BB and spawn mobs that tend to kill the weaker links, you just cant go on. (Of course this is from the standpoint of squads who can't stay alive for long without heals.)
This was on mobs, she was dealing damage and fighting **** leaving me and my 3 second channel heal to try and withstand 1000 damage every other second for a long *** time. Clerics can take this skill and us it how they like, but it's just going to give morons another reason to claim theyre clerics to join runs and then ruin them by being DD.
Clerics need better skills that this ****. Seriously.I've quit excluding TW for my faction. But I still hang around to help out those who still enjoy the game under PWEs horrific handling and to have fun in the forums. b:cute
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Yea clerics get bonked hard. Loss of healing + loss of 10%hp. One or the other not both.0
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John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »And to 2 cleric squads, no. They'll argue and fight just like 2 mystic squads frequently do and noone will get healed properly unless you all already know each other well and lay out a plan. And since it's an MMO I do not only ever play with my friends, before anyone suggests the idea.
Just want to say I never have any issues whenever there's a 2 mystic squad because I multi task so well. I don't even know half the mystics I squad with and we do just fine. It's all about do you pay attention, know when to sit down, **** and do your job. On-demand adaptation.
So I'm sorry you don't play with anyone outside of your friends-unless they're super active it's gonna be hard to get stuff done. Sometimes you find the fails but sometimes you find the pros. And even when you squad with the fails you can turn it into a teaching experience or a way to learn how to ADAPT to any situation. You won't always get the preferred squads you want so that's why I learned to cope. TBH I never had an issue with 2 cleric squads either when I used to play cleric. We never really talked it out,we just watched each other and defaulted to either DD, Double DD, heal/DD or double heal.
On topic-We won't know until they come out so reading descriptions only gives us a go-over on what ballpark to expect. We won't know the in-game translated modifiers, and since ppl use amping skills outside of these clerics skills such as genies apoth,charms,runes etc, it'll be dependent on alot of factors.0
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