Change the rules for INI edits

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, dont change it, ban ppls who mess with it.
Why?
Becouse Im evil ;..;

Shoo evil one <

Shoo you, evil people.

*bump*

Bump

Please b:sadb:surrender It would be nice to be able to have a freedom of even a few more edits (eg/tb hair/eyes/eyemakeup from older races) b:victory Designing characters without the basic 9 presets on other games is one of the things that sets this game above all others in my opinion. True customization is one of the best features this game offers and if some how it were possible. It would be nice to allow (eg/tb hair/eyes/eyemakeup from older races) for all races. Not split them up into separate areas of "this group gets this, but can't have these." b:thanks

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scaniat164v8 wrote: »

but what if the ppl go around very thin and dont do PVP?

i mean, i dont do edit yet cuz im scared for a ban, but i dont do pvp, i wear armor with lightning aura, and i have checked it out in modification with scroll, that with thin body i am more noticeable then with normal barb body....

so my question: would it be alowed if u dont PK, PVP, and wear lightning aura armor fulltime? (one piece of lightning walking around, would be cool)

here a screeny of what i mean, how can you miss this one runnin around? one ball of lightning :P

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3864/lightningtiger.jpg

NO, these kinds of edits are exactly the kind of reason they don't want people messing around with the ini files. You wouldn't be more noticeable if everyone ran around like that, and you'd be hard to click. Besides that, they couldn't allow one segment of the population do it but ban it for pvp people.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

NO, these kinds of edits are exactly the kind of reason they don't want people messing around with the ini files. You wouldn't be more noticeable if everyone ran around like that, and you'd be hard to click. Besides that, they couldn't allow one segment of the population do it but ban it for pvp people.

Teeeeechnically... They never gave us a reason why they don't want to change the rule. At this point, the players are assuming why and letting PWE slink around without so much as a word on the subject. They figure we should be happy with "Because I said so".

Another reason to make that argument invalid? Think about all those servers that are already allowed to freely do this. Yea, sure, PWCN has been around forever and we were created after it with the rule... But then the EU servers were born, after us, WITHOUT the rule. Very suspicious, IMHO.

Honestly, after they put the new fashion from that poll, I haven't even been bothered to buy Zen. If that's all they want us for, why should I comply?

Myralis - Sanctuary wrote: »

They said it would be too much work to keep checking what is allowed and what not...
But ya, it's a lame reason.

Lame or not, it's a legitimate reason. With all the delays we currently have with support, do you really want to increase the workload and make them even less responsive?b:surrender

scaniat164v8 wrote: »

so even for the people who DONT do PVP?

Yes, that is what the petition is for, the rules are the same for everyone. Currently, nobody is allowed to edit. And even if they did, you won't see those kinds of edits more than likely as it's an abuse of the body system. If they let you do it, they'd have to let people who pvp do it too.


and for the record, they did give a reason. It was a super lame one, that nobody likes, but claiming they didn't when they did doesn't help get the rule changed.

KrittyCat wrote: »

Lame or not, it's a legitimate reason. With all the delays we currently have with support, do you really want to increase the workload and make them even less responsive?b:surrender

changing the rules wouldn't increase the workload. It would decrease it.

Instead of having to enforce bans on many many people who have harmless INI edits, only a select few with the harmful edits would have to be punished. By what logic would that create a heavier workload?

I was just wondering... What would happen if we all just start doing it and just gather around somewhere to prove we can .ini edit without abusing it? Just make a new character (or account if you don't have a less usefull one yet), all go to the same server, and all gather around on one spot with .ini edits we would like on our own character... It's not like they'll ban around 200 ppl (if that much show up) and even if they do there's no use into banning otherwise empty accounts either...

Or why not make rules of what is and isn't allowed and pick a handfull of fultime, trustworthy players to keep an eye out for the extreme .ini abusers... They could even make a sticky with codes that are allowed or something... Or let some that already know how to awesomely .ini edit stuff make presets from wich ppl can work on...

I understand that they don't like to have creapy stick figures or annything else unnatural running around here but if we can prove that we can handle this responsibly they could at least allow some edits like hair or eyes, right?

I wonder if they will ever allow it, I voted yes.

I want genesis eyes on my cleric ;__;

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

edit your char how much that you want, if they ban you because of that you can sue the PWI in the justice and you will win for sure

<buzzer> Wrong.

Direct copy/paste from the terms of service...

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19. Indemnification

You agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless PWE, its independent contractors, service providers and consultants, and their respective directors, employees, agents, partners, affiliates, and subsidiaries, from and against any claims, damages, costs, liabilities and expenses (including, but not limited to, reasonable attorneys' fees) arising out of or related to any User Content you post, store or otherwise transmit on or through the Website, your conduct, your violations of these Terms, any misuse of the Service, or your violation of the rights of any third party.

In other words, PWE owns your entire account and everything in it. If you get banned for ini editing or any other reason, you can NOT sue them for it. Until PWE says otherwise, if ever, ini editing is not allowed. Period.

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By your text I belive that youre 14 years old or less.

What you quoted is nosense, why?
Do you know why bots are illegal in the game? It's not because It is unfair to the other players, It's because for you run a bot you have to EDIT certain game codes for let your char work with that behaviour, the game have software rights like any other kind of software, so you can't modify anything inside of the game.

But this is different for the .ini

The .ini are allocated INSIDE of your computer, this is an error of the Perfect World company, edit the .ini is the same than you edit your PW folder, so they will ban you because you changed the name of your Perfect World folder to "My Game"? I don't think so. Also editing the .ini doesn't bring any harm to the game involvement Itself, unless that you create SUPER FAT or SUPER SLIM chars because the game wasn't made to work with those kind of structures.

You still don't understood? Another example them.

You can't put human textures on tideborns using the .ini because the game don't reconize that, for do this you have to **** the game somehow, then we enter in the same case of the bots. In fact if the devs want they can unlock all the avaible hairstyles for all the avaible races, like how WB's can use some kind of hairstyles.

And a free lession for your life, those contracts and user agreements are all b:fatb and don't have any value beside Federal Constitution and Codes and Consumer Rights, It's the same thing of stores that say that they aren't responsable if someone steals your stuff, congratulations, you just won a lollipop.

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Stuff.

Bzzz, wrong. Just as movie theater can throw you out without a refund for being disruptive, or a bar/cub can throw you without a refund for being disorderly, PWI can ban you without a refund for violating their terms of service. Just because its at your house doesn't mean its not their property. It is still their property, when you download a client your are essentially renting the game. Some even charge your a fee for it, others let your do it for free such as PWI. If you make any modifications to it's game files that PWI doesn't allow, they can ban you. The judge would care less if you really really wanted your eyes blue, just like they could careless that thugs want to wear their saggy pants in a club that disallows certain types of clothing on it's premises. If you switch into them on the premise and you are caught and cause a scene, they can throw you out and do not have to give a refund. You forfeited by not honoring your end of the implicit contract. In the case of PWI, they have even more ground to stand on because you literally did sign an agreement with them.

Changing a desktop icon is not the same thing. A desktop icon is a file created by you, on your machine, to make navigating your computer easier.


What your talking about in terms of a real life example is if you rent a book from the library.

If you put the book inside a colorful box and place it on a shelf, you've made it much easier to locate the book. The box is the icon and you put it prominently in your vision so you don't have to look for it, on the computer this would be the desktop. In your house, it's the bookshelf.


Now, if you decide you don't like the illustration job on the book, you cannot just color on it. The library owns that book, it is not yours. If you do color on it, the library has the right to ban you from ever entering it again. If you paid money for a library card, you will not be receiving a refund. It doesn't matter how long you've been a customer, or how much money you paid to be able to rent books. You violated your end of the contract, and forfeited the right to use that service.

The metaphor is not perfect and now i'm sure a bunch of people will pick on little flaws, but the concept is the same. You do not own the files to this game, just because it's at your house doesn't mean you can do whatever you want to it. It's not your property, it's PWIs. If they ban you from using their stuff again because you violate their rules, they do not owe you a refund. Your the one that broke the contract, so the burden of the costs of breaking it falls on you, not PWI. If you decide ini edit, do so at your own risk. I personally haven't really seen anyone banned for it, but it is bannable. If you do get banned, you have no one to blame but yourself and you can't expect a refund. PWI is perfectly within their legal rights.

I vote yes i hope this thread dosent die until color ini editing is allowed b:beg