Weapon Proc Rates

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That is the impression I am getting from his response as well.

False alarm that was om response to me asking if he can break down random stats on something like heavy armor G15 nirvy leggings that say 6-10 strength. I was asking if he could break that down further. For instance:

6-10 Strength - 100%

• -6 Strength - 12.5%
• -7 Strength - 25%
• -8 Strength - 25%
• -9 Strength - 25%
• -10 Strength - 12.5%

This way we know how many times to expect to use 2 canny b:shutup

I gave him a much more detailed reply. He said he would have to reverse engineer some stuff on the server and he will try and look at it further. Fingers crossed I really want to know if re-rolling G15 nirvy axes for GoF is worth the millions in raptures. Knowing PWI this "higher chance" is like 5% more. b:sad

EDIT: Latest thing I sent, hopefully I get a reply soon

I appreciate your time you have spent on this and I hope you will be willing to spend the time to fully figure out the weapon activation percentages. In regards to armor stat randoms, I assumed that the % chance for the strength was even 20% each (1 / N), but knowing PWE I would not be surprised if getting the max stat attribute was more difficult then the rest.

In regards to not thinking about weapon activation percentages, most people don't really think about "I wonder how often my God of Frenzy is suppose to activate." The reason people started to think about this is because of the introduction to nirvana G15 weapons. Sacrificial Strike is a very easy proc to get on a G15 weapon (46.5% based on your pwdatabase pages), but God of Frenzy (same proc but higher chance to activate) is a very difficult chance to get on the same weapons (2.5% chance). This holds true for many other lower and advanced skills for nirvana weapons (revenge and blood vengeance on claws, soul shatter and spirits blackhole on bows, etc).

People were wondering if spending the horrendous amount of time and money to get God of Frenzy was worth it or should they just stick to spending less to get Sacrificial Strike and only lose a little bit of activation chance. To really be able to tell if it's worth spending that much extra time farming / spending real money on raptures, we obviously would need to know what the "higher chance" means in the text description of the skills. This is why I have started a dialog with you. It would be very beneficial for people to know if you attack a target x times you should have GoF / revenge / soul shatter / square formation / etc activate 1 time.

I've spent hours in TT hitting the fake pillar to try and get a good sample size of target hits vs activations for God of Frenzy on my Overlord Battleaxe. From what I can tell, the Overlord Battleaxe activates 1 in 5 hits (20%). Two things that I cannot verify about that number: First, I have no idea if that's the true probability, but how much higher is this probability from the Sacrificial Strike (lower proc). Secondly, is this 20% chance a steady variable with all weapons that have God of Frenzy OR could some be 15% and others 25% (based on each individual weapon).

So a good basis to test out some of these question would be to answer the following few questions when you have some spare time.

If I hit a target with ☆☆Dark Death Thorn (Sacrificial Strike unique add-on) I will deal double damage one in x times. solve for x
If I hit a target with ☆☆Dark Death Thorn (God of Frenzy unique add-on) I will deal double damage one in x times. solve for x

if I hit a target with ☆☆Unicorn's Tragedy (Sacrificial Strike unique add-on) I will deal double damage one in x times. solve for x
if I hit a target with ☆☆Unicorn's Tragedy (God of Frenzy unique add-on) I will deal double damage one in x times. solve for x

If I hit a target with ☆☆Ghost Vanquisher-Soulblast (Revenge unique add-on) I will heal 5% hp and increase my weapon atk one in x times. solve for x
If I hit a target with ☆☆Ghost Vanquisher-Soulblast (Blood Vengeance unique add-on) I will heal 5% hp and increase my weapon atk one in x times. solve for x

If x can be solved for all of those questions we can then answer some of the initial questions:
1. Does each weapon have it's own activation chance or is it universal to all weapons with said weapon proc?
2. Does each lower skill and advanced skill activation percentage increase the same? (Revenge vs Blood Revenge proc increases x% and Sac Strike vs God of Frenzy increases x%)
3. How much higher is the advanced skill vs the lower skill?

Depending on these we can then figure out all of the weapon procs for all weapons and possibly put up a very well informed page on your website to help people understand that they might be spending 100s of millions of coin for only a 5% increase in weapon activation percentage.

I hope to hear from you soon and again thank you very much for all of your time,
Traz

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On my weapon (wheel of warfog vanisher) i think sacrificial strike procs something like every 1 out of 8-15 hits. I gathered this by auto attacking npc's and counting procs over hits. Did the same for hitting on mobs and on players and then got a average of all of them.
Hopes this helps you

1 in 8 - 15 is 12.5% to 6.67% that's almost a double to the range. There is no part of that in which you gave a solid % chance. If you said a range like 10-12% maybe we were on to something, but that kind of range is pretty much totally disregarded.

Missyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

a couple words to turn ur math to pieces. if ur crit rate is 21% it does not mean you will crit once every 5 hits, it means that everytime you hit you got 21 % chance to crit - which is some other **** - and besides that there is no possible way to calculate the "proc rates" - as you name it - numbers mean nothing - even 50% is a low chance (thinkin about refine - how many times did you fail to +1 in a row ? )

no way to ..... "calculate" the proc rates.... games don't run on fairy dust... somewhere it says yes do double damage or no don't do double damage.... (among other different add-ons).

Zenorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Hi guys,

Addons such as GoF are actually skills to the game (Similar to a persons passive skills but they are applied to a weapon instead).
This means that these addons are hardcoded into the server, I believe in the GS

Because the GS is compiled, to find out the proc rates you would have to hex edit and try and find the values or partially reverse engineer it to create part of a server emulator.

Both these options are hours and hours of work and neither guarantee success at finding the proc rates.

So I highly doubt pwdatabase man will be able to work it out, like he says, they are not in elements.data, and if he does manage to work it out I will be very impressed.

So you're basically stuck with manual in game testing to work out the rates

Manual in game testing is ..... hours and ... hours of work ... and doesn't guarantee success at finding the proc rates, fancy that

Zenorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Hi guys,

Addons such as GoF are actually skills to the game (Similar to a persons passive skills but they are applied to a weapon instead).
This means that these addons are hardcoded into the server, I believe in the GS

Because the GS is compiled, to find out the proc rates you would have to hex edit and try and find the values or partially reverse engineer it to create part of a server emulator.

Both these options are hours and hours of work and neither guarantee success at finding the proc rates.

So I highly doubt pwdatabase man will be able to work it out, like he says, they are not in elements.data, and if he does manage to work it out I will be very impressed.

So you're basically stuck with manual in game testing to work out the rates

All these claims are based on?

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

I'd say 1000-2000 hits are good enough for an estimation.

This does not give us a conclusion about GoF on other category of weapons. For all axes / hammers it seems 20%. We still must test Sac Strike and see if that's 15% (my assumption).