Sage Claw Farmer

stealthxbomber
stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
edited November 2011 in Assassin
I have a 5.0 BM, but I've found his ability to solo bosses inadequate. So I've come to the assassin forums to have your opinions on a sage HA/claw sin. My gear setup would be:
http://pwcalc.com/cb1674ff7914ebc6
I'd like your guys opinions on the overall soloing limits (ex. what is the highest tt I could solo), overall abilities, and effectiveness of this build. Keep in mind this is strictly PvE, and I have no interest in making a 5.0 dagger sin. All input is appreciated. b:laugh
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Why the hell would you make a sin if you have a 5.0 BM?

    Just do Nirvana until you drop dead.

    For example, let's say that you get 500k per Nirvana run and your runs last 5 minutes. That means you're looking at 6m/hour. On the other hand, let's say you're soloing FCC and selling the spots for 500k each and that you take ~30 minutes per run. That means you'll be getting 5m/hour. On the other hand, say you and one other person were selling TM69s, then you'd be looking at 2m per run to each of you, for a total of ~8m/hour.

    And really, 6m/hour should be high enough to cover pretty much any expenses you should have.

    Oh and btw, when it comes to soloing bosses, only dagger sins will be better than your Bm. A clawsin will only have the advantage of not having to deal with any mobs, but he'll kill the boss slower than your BM.
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  • snufalufaguss
    snufalufaguss Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Part time job at McDonalds and using that income to cash shop would be better and you get free chicken nuggets to boot.
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why the hell would you make a sin if you have a 5.0 BM?

    Just do Nirvana until you drop dead.

    For example, let's say that you get 500k per Nirvana run and your runs last 5 minutes. That means you're looking at 6m/hour. On the other hand, let's say you're soloing FCC and selling the spots for 500k each and that you take ~30 minutes per run. That means you'll be getting 5m/hour. On the other hand, say you and one other person were selling TM69s, then you'd be looking at 2m per run to each of you, for a total of ~8m/hour.

    And really, 6m/hour should be high enough to cover pretty much any expenses you should have.

    Oh and btw, when it comes to soloing bosses, only dagger sins will be better than your Bm. A clawsin will only have the advantage of not having to deal with any mobs, but he'll kill the boss slower than your BM.

    Those are all good sources of money, but in turn they all require a squad, and I've found that people aren't always available.
  • Nightsfangs - Archosaur
    Nightsfangs - Archosaur Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    I have a 5.0 BM, but I've found his ability to solo bosses inadequate. So I've come to the assassin forums to have your opinions on a sage HA/claw sin. My gear setup would be:
    http://pwcalc.com/cb1674ff7914ebc6
    I'd like your guys opinions on the overall soloing limits (ex. what is the highest tt I could solo), overall abilities, and effectiveness of this build. Keep in mind this is strictly PvE, and I have no interest in making a 5.0 dagger sin. All input is appreciated. b:laugh

    With this build ur Dps sucks, sins are all about Dps.
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Nightsfangs - Archosaur wrote: »
    With this build ur Dps sucks, sins are all about Dps.

    I'm not looking for a pure DD build, I'm looking for a build with soloing capabilities. A dead sin does no damage.
  • Nightsfangs - Archosaur
    Nightsfangs - Archosaur Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    I'm not looking for a pure DD build, I'm looking for a build with soloing capabilities.

    Daggers do more Dmg, I would suggest a R8 3.33 demon better than a claw sin,

    with daggers u will have better soloing capabilities.
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Nightsfangs - Archosaur wrote: »
    Daggers do more Dmg, I would suggest a R8 3.33 demon better than a claw sin,

    with daggers u will have better soloing capabilities.

    Demon sins don't get the 25% damage reduction of sage spark, nor sage BP.
  • PhantomThief - Archosaur
    PhantomThief - Archosaur Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    Demon sins don't get the 25% damage reduction of sage spark, nor sage BP.

    Then roll a sage dagger sin...

    If you're going sage for bp and spark, then there's no reason not to roll daggers. Daggers do more damage, therefore you will heal for more. Also, you're be losing out on the ability to use your skills on bosses, which can help your survivability by a lot.

    You won't be able to rib strike, focus mind, tidal protection, etc. You will basically be a lame *** bm with no fist mastery and without any kind of amp (not counting genie) or any other skill.
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »
    Then roll a sage dagger sin...

    If you're going sage for bp and spark, then there's no reason not to roll daggers. Daggers do more damage, therefore you will heal for more. Also, you're be losing out on the ability to use your skills on bosses(sage rib strike will do more damage faster than fists would to start), which can help your survivability by a lot.

    HA/Dagger build just doesn't work. I already have nirvana HA pants, and getting LA pants just increases the cost by so much more. And why is it people act like you can't just switch to lower level daggers for two seconds to get rib strike casted? Heck, I could inner harmony>power dash>claws every few sparks.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    HA/Dagger build just doesn't work. I already have nirvana HA pants, and getting LA pants just increases the cost by so much more. And why is it people act like you can't just switch to lower level daggers for two seconds to get rib strike casted? Heck, I could inner harmony>power dash>claws every few sparks.

    Nuuuuuu, dagger sin = only sin or we shun you off sin forums and this game entirely. We cool sins don't care if you have full +12 gear all 4 socket with jades/vit stones and G15 claws with blood vengence and 2 -ints to make a 5.0 sage sin it's a horrible build and total **** don't do it or you're fail.

    Anyway, I say go for it if you think it might help you in the long run. It's not like you can't restat the sin at some point and build a dagger one if it doesn't work out.
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  • TrueHarmony - Archosaur
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    HA/Dagger build just doesn't work. I already have nirvana HA pants, and getting LA pants just increases the cost by so much more. And why is it people act like you can't just switch to lower level daggers for two seconds to get rib strike casted? Heck, I could inner harmony>power dash>claws every few sparks.

    He means just roll a dagger sin, as in light armor and daggers, you tool.
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  • Nightsfangs - Archosaur
    Nightsfangs - Archosaur Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    HA/Dagger build just doesn't work. I already have nirvana HA pants, and getting LA pants just increases the cost by so much more. And why is it people act like you can't just switch to lower level daggers for two seconds to get rib strike casted? Heck, I could inner harmony>power dash>claws every few sparks.

    Cause it interupts your chi gain and permaspark, sins tank cause of permasparking mostly.

    Swich to daggers while tanking a boss?Not a good idea.

    Anyway since ur so determined to go 5aps claws don't start a forum asking why not to do it.

    Dagger sins are the best option for solo.
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »
    He means just roll a dagger sin, as in light armor and daggers, you tool.

    I mentioned in the post you quoted that adding LA nirvana pants to the list of things I'd already need would cost too much, I may as well just spend that money on what I'm farming for.
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Nightsfangs - Archosaur wrote: »
    Cause it interupts your chi gain and permaspark, sins tank cause of permasparking mostly.

    Swich to daggers while tanking a boss?Not a good idea.

    Anyway since ur so determined to go 5aps claws don't start a forum asking why not to do it.

    Dagger sins are the best option for solo.

    At 5 aps, I have 3 extra seconds to do whatever I want before I start losing the chi needed to remain permaspark.
    Switching to daggers while tanking a boss to cast a skill is the same as using the skill with daggers already equipped, minus negligible damage from wearing higher level daggers. If it's a skill, there is no difference.
    I posted on this forum in the hopes that someone could tell me something that I haven't catched about this build.
    Factoring in that I have all the interval gear in the calc I linked except for r8 chest, care to tell me a dagger build of similar cost that's better at solo'ing?
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    Those are all good sources of money, but in turn they all require a squad, and I've found that people aren't always available.

    For TM, you need 1 person. Since you play BM, the other person wouldn't really matter, assuming that you could pull. If not, then a barb would be good. If you have trouble finding a single high level barb or a single 5 aps DD, then you're clearly playing something that's not PWI.

    For FCC, being a sin won't matter as you'll still have to clear the mobs and a BM will do that much better. And if you can't solo FCC as a 5 aps BM then you're doing something very, very wrong.

    For Nirvana, there's tons and tons of squads. And besides, you can always just wait for a 2x drop event, farm like 2 hours a day for the whole duration and you'll have enough funds to last until the next one.

    And as I pointed out, your HA claw sin has less DPS than my 2.5 R8 +6 Sage Sin.

    The only thing you'd have a better time "solofarming" as a sin than a BM, would be TTs and that's only because of stealth. For everything else, your BM would fare better as everyone laughs at clawsins.
    At 5 aps, I have 3 extra seconds to do whatever I want before I start losing the chi needed to remain permaspark.

    And when soloing, you'd use those 3 "extra" seconds to spark earlier so that you spend less time being vulnerable and heal more.
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    I have a 5.0 BM, but I've found his ability to solo bosses inadequate. So I've come to the assassin forums to have your opinions on a sage HA/claw sin. My gear setup would be:
    http://pwcalc.com/cb1674ff7914ebc6
    I'd like your guys opinions on the overall soloing limits (ex. what is the highest tt I could solo), overall abilities, and effectiveness of this build. Keep in mind this is strictly PvE, and I have no interest in making a 5.0 dagger sin. All input is appreciated. b:laugh

    Since you state to have no interest of making a dagger sin, I don't think you should do it.

    You are getting r8 plate, the chest part is the majority of you defences, so you aren't really HA anymore. You will have less survivabilty then your bm probably (lower hp per vit, a LA plate), any tt worth soloing requires to kill mobs (so stealth isn't that great) and you won't kill faster then your bm (probably even slower).

    Main thing is, anything you could aim for with a claw-sin, can be done better for almost same cost with daggers. You got only +7 deicides, for the few extra coins it would cost you to get the r8 daggers (and you already have the plate!) and refine them a bit, you'll already do better then your build. Maybe if you had +12 G15 fists it would make some sence... But then again, why make a sin for farming?

    Best option would be to get on another account, lvl a sin, and just bp your bm. You could even go for sage bp. I think that will be the most efficient solution.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    What do you plan to farm? FC isn't that profitable, especially not with everyone selling glitch these days. Other than FC, your BM will be a better farmer than a claw Sin, so just make a low Sin on another account to keep your BM buffed with BP?

    Zz Empu already suggested it.
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For TM, you need 1 person. Since you play BM, the other person wouldn't really matter, assuming that you could pull. If not, then a barb would be good. If you have trouble finding a single high level barb or a single 5 aps DD, then you're clearly playing something that's not PWI.

    For FCC, being a sin won't matter as you'll still have to clear the mobs and a BM will do that much better. And if you can't solo FCC as a 5 aps BM then you're doing something very, very wrong.

    For Nirvana, there's tons and tons of squads. And besides, you can always just wait for a 2x drop event, farm like 2 hours a day for the whole duration and you'll have enough funds to last until the next one.

    And as I pointed out, your HA claw sin has less DPS than my 2.5 R8 +6 Sage Sin.

    The only thing you'd have a better time "solofarming" as a sin than a BM, would be TTs and that's only because of stealth. For everything else, your BM would fare better as everyone laughs at clawsins.



    And when soloing, you'd use those 3 "extra" seconds to spark earlier so that you spend less time being vulnerable and heal more.

    WTGM requires four people along with a partner, and on HT I've seen it take well over 30 minutes to get a full squad. FCC I can do just fine on my BM, but same problem as WGTM and it just gets too monotonus. Nirvana is probably the least available on HT during 1x. As I pointed out, becoming 2.5 with r8 daggers requires LA nirvana pants, which I don't have. And wouldn't sage BP/spark dmg reduc./focused mind outweigh the 1k more HP my BM has in a TT run? Also, I really don't care if anyone laughs at me for being a claw sin.
    Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Since you state to have no interest of making a dagger sin, I don't think you should do it.

    You are getting r8 plate, the chest part is the majority of you defences, so you aren't really HA anymore. You will have less survivabilty then your bm probably (lower hp per vit, a LA plate), any tt worth soloing requires to kill mobs (so stealth isn't that great) and you won't kill faster then your bm (probably even slower).

    Main thing is, anything you could aim for with a claw-sin, can be done better for almost same cost with daggers. You got only +7 deicides, for the few extra coins it would cost you to get the r8 daggers (and you already have the plate!) and refine them a bit, you'll already do better then your build. Maybe if you had +12 G15 fists it would make some sence... But then again, why make a sin for farming?

    Best option would be to get on another account, lvl a sin, and just bp your bm. You could even go for sage bp. I think that will be the most efficient solution.

    I dont believe I'd have less survivability than my BM with sage BP/spark/sin protections. My BM only has 1k more HP than the build I linked. I don't have 200k rep yet, and with daggers I'd need to get LA nirvana pants, driving the cost up a whole lot more. Your last question... ..b:shutup
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    What do you plan to farm? FC isn't that profitable, especially not with everyone selling glitch these days. Other than FC, your BM will be a better farmer than a claw Sin, so just make a low Sin on another account to keep your BM buffed with BP?

    Zz Empu already suggested it.

    I was planning to farm 2-3/3-x, but certainly not FCC. I just can't see at my gear level how my BM would have better survivability against bosses than a sin.
  • OontzOontz - Dreamweaver
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Best solution: Make a sage sin for buffs and go solo on your bm with the buffs.
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  • PhantomThief - Archosaur
    PhantomThief - Archosaur Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Best solution: Make a sage sin for buffs and go solo on your bm with the buffs.

    This is the best option. You're only out the cost of the BP skill book, if you solo your own FC for heads.

    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    HA/Dagger build just doesn't work. I already have nirvana HA pants, and getting LA pants just increases the cost by so much more. And why is it people act like you can't just switch to lower level daggers for two seconds to get rib strike casted? Heck, I could inner harmony>power dash>claws every few sparks.

    Sins can't use any of our skills without daggers, so you'd have to switch every time you'd want to use a skill. Focus Mind/Tidal Protect wears off in the middle of a boss fight? You'll have to switch to daggers, cast it, and switch back. It really seems like a hassle. But, its up to you.
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »
    This is the best option. You're only out the cost of the BP skill book, if you solo your own FC for heads.




    Sins can't use any of our skills without daggers, so you'd have to switch every time you'd want to use a skill. Focus Mind/Tidal Protect wears off in the middle of a boss fight? You'll have to switch to daggers, cast it, and switch back. It really seems like a hassle. But, its up to you.

    BM's are masters of weapon switching b:laugh But I might look into making an alt more.
  • tberdich0
    tberdich0 Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Why don't you just do this with your BM -> http://pwcalc.com/5863c842c29c28a4 and if you do have similar build to this then I don't see any reason to turn sin into bm..


    Almost same Pdef 1% more for BM..(better pdef with aura)
    Same MDef
    Better HP for BM
    And your base dmg would be somewhere 1200+ better than on that sin at cost of 2% crit
    And best of all you don't even have to buy R8 chest...
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    tberdich0 wrote: »
    Why don't you just do this with your BM -> http://pwcalc.com/5863c842c29c28a4 and if you do have similar build to this then I don't see any reason to turn sin into bm..


    Almost same Pdef 1% more for BM..(better pdef with aura)
    Same MDef
    Better HP for BM
    And your base dmg would be somewhere 1200+ better than on that sin at cost of 2% crit
    And best of all you don't even have to buy R8 chest...

    Sage assassin has damage reduction from spark, sage bp, 33% focused mind, deaden nerves, and rib strike against bosses.

    edit: my bm already has what i linked in calc, except lunar neck and tt99 HA plate
  • tberdich0
    tberdich0 Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    Sage assassin has damage reduction from spark, sage bp, 33% focused mind, deaden nerves, and rib strike against bosses.

    edit: my bm already has what i linked in calc, except lunar neck and tt99 HA plate

    Oh I see, well to much hassle for me, but if you like that buffs so much then go for it just note that 1200 more damge at 5 aps is alot of dps

    Idk how effective would sage bp be at such a low dps vs demon bp dagger sin...Maybe same heals?(not to mention higer crit) And sage bp is expensive at least from what I've seen.

    As a bm you can use phy marrow to reduce dmg and cancel mag attacks on boss, well idk how well it compare to rib strike.
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    tberdich0 wrote: »
    Oh I see, well to much hassle for me, but if you like that buffs so much then go for it just note that 1200 more damge at 5 aps is alot of dps

    Idk how effective would sage bp be at such a low dps vs demon bp dagger sin...Maybe same heals?(not to mention higer crit) And sage bp is expensive at least from what I've seen.

    As a bm you can use phy marrow to reduce dmg and cancel mag attacks on boss, well idk how well it compare to rib strike.

    Making a dagger sin would require I get LA nirvana pants. It's about 90m more than sage bp. I'm not even interested in a dagger sin. Have you read any of my posts?
  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    Making a dagger sin would require I get LA nirvana pants. It's about 90m more than sage bp. I'm not even interested in a dagger sin. Have you read any of my posts?
    Are you reading anyone elses? people have offered opinions and viable other options, you shoot them all down, and claim to have it all worked out.
    So I don't get the point of this topic. Make your Claw-Sin and go see how it works =P
  • Chix_ - Dreamweaver
    Chix_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Are you reading anyone elses? people have offered opinions and viable other options, you shoot them all down, and claim to have it all worked out.
    So I don't get the point of this topic. Make your Claw-Sin and go see how it works =P

    +1 to this b:chuckle
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    I have a 5.0 BM, but I've found his ability to solo bosses inadequate. So I've come to the assassin forums to have your opinions on a sage HA/claw sin. My gear setup would be:
    http://pwcalc.com/cb1674ff7914ebc6
    I'd like your guys opinions on the overall soloing limits (ex. what is the highest tt I could solo), overall abilities, and effectiveness of this build. Keep in mind this is strictly PvE, and I have no interest in making a 5.0 dagger sin. All input is appreciated. b:laugh


    It appears your entire goal is to get sage paint, even if it means giving up dps, HA and survivability for the character itself? Would you mind linking us the BM so we know what gear/masteries you'd be missing out on by using a sin?

    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    Demon sins don't get the 25% damage reduction of sage spark, nor sage BP.

    But demon sins get to use daggers ;) The alternative is a 2.5 aps rank 8 sage sin that also doesn't get 25% damage reduction from sage spark a good portion of the time because they're unsparked. Unsparked damage doesn't make up the 1% bloodpaint difference, either. And 3% paint heals at 5 aps with claws will probably be less than 2% paint heals with daggers, honestly.

    Best option is to make a sage sin as a paint **** and solo on your bm until you can adequetly gear your sage sin.
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Are you reading anyone elses? people have offered opinions and viable other options, you shoot them all down, and claim to have it all worked out.
    So I don't get the point of this topic. Make your Claw-Sin and go see how it works =P

    I've been "shooting them down" because every build I've been told uses LA nirvana pants. The only one I haven't is Oontz Oontz's, because his idea may be better.
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It appears your entire goal is to get sage paint, even if it means giving up dps, HA and survivability for the character itself? Would you mind linking us the BM so we know what gear/masteries you'd be missing out on by using a sin?




    But demon sins get to use daggers ;) The alternative is a 2.5 aps rank 8 sage sin that also doesn't get 25% damage reduction from sage spark a good portion of the time because they're unsparked. Unsparked damage doesn't make up the 1% bloodpaint difference, either. And 3% paint heals at 5 aps with claws will probably be less than 2% paint heals with daggers, honestly.

    Best option is to make a sage sin as a paint **** and solo on your bm until you can adequetly gear your sage sin.

    This is my BM's current gear:
    http://pwcalc.com/6b615383b7431b4a
    I want to be able to solo 2-3, and eventually 3-x. I just don't think I'd have enough defense on an LA/demon sin thats not 5.0 to do that.
  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    I dont believe I'd have less survivability than my BM with sage BP/spark/sin protections. My BM only has 1k more HP than the build I linked. I don't have 200k rep yet, and with daggers I'd need to get LA nirvana pants, driving the cost up a whole lot more. Your last question... ..b:shutup



    I was planning to farm 2-3/3-x, but certainly not FCC. I just can't see at my gear level how my BM would have better survivability against bosses than a sin.

    Seems you already choosen yourself b:laugh Well, just in case it adds some credibility to my comments above : I'm a sage sin and can solo what you're planning on. The aps is only a minor factor in soloing stuff like 3-x on a sin, you won't go in and sparkmacro then afk till things die.

    But don't take into account what everyone said b:chuckle

    Reminds me of this : http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1175131

    A little later, you will post something like this : http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1193781

    Cya and have fun xD

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