Sage Claw Farmer

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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I have a sage sin with 6.5k hp base which keeps me grounded about that stuff. You actually have to think on that toon to make sure you stay alive (2.5 aps +6 lunar daggers). b:chuckle

    Main thing is, unless you got significant hp, 20% hp regen is really nothing. I get that back with bp in 2 hits, while actually doing damage and not being "stunned" 3 sec.
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If all else fails there's this cool thing called a reset note. Seems everyone likes to forget those exist. b:laugh

    Just hoping the op won't make the mistake, even though it seems I can't prevent it.

    @ OP : As 1 of the first few sage sins on my server, I get asked this kind of question a lot ingame. And out of personal experience, I can say that there are 3 types of "wrong reasons" to go sage. In one of the following cases, he/she will regret going sage :

    - Saying sage can be 5 aps also, with genie or fists
    - Having a 5 aps bm, while being pve (read "nirvana only") orientated
    - Cause they know that 1 sage sin that does something epic, while they only want a vana alt

    Do what you want, but I'm 90% sure you will regret going fists later on. Like I said before, going 5 aps just cause it's aps, isn't worth it. Btw, my barb has +11 G15 vana fists with double -int add and max str build. I know the difference in damage and bloodsuck. Even with my old r8 daggers I get better result out of bp.
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    If you can show me a fist/claw sin doing 200k damage in 1 hit with just auto attack with all possible debuffs, let me know.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    - Saying sage can be 5 aps also, with genie or fists
    - Having a 5 aps bm, while being pve (read "nirvana only") orientated
    - Cause they know that 1 sage sin that does something epic, while they only want a vana alt

    The first means you're obviously not considering the cultivation for the right reasons.
    The second means you're obviously an idiot since if you have the HA gear, going for an LA class makes no sense, especially if money is your primary motivation.
    The third means you're obviously misattributing.

    I'd also add "Cause you want to be different from all the Demon sins" to the list of bad reasons.
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'd also add "Cause you want to be different from all the Demon sins" to the list of bad reasons.

    I didn't add that one, because I know a few for who it did work. In a way, it can be said I made this sin as a test of another build then the "zomg demon, 5 aps b:dirty", and it did work out.

    The "want to be different" reason is also what brings builds nobody thought of before. That's why I don't think it's a bad reason itself, it's just that, between the ones who want to be different but don't put any thought in it and the ones that don't work out as planned (I made quite a few of those builds on several classes myself b:chuckle), there aren't that many succesfull examples of "I want to be different" builds.
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    It seemed like you were a spark>auto sin because all you mentioned about a sin's survivability was bloodpaint and damage. You must understand that Focused Mind and Ribstrike both increase survivability. Less hits landed + slower hits = overall less hits, meaning overall less damage taken. I suppose all of these skills would seem a bit high maintinence to a spark>auto attacker.

    Your numbers don't really apply, because anyone with a piece of gum for a brain would know not to take a sin with my gear into 3-3.

    Sigh.

    If you're not even going to 3-3 on it, why the hell are you making it at all?
    A 2.86 Sin with Hooks can solo tank most of 1-x with an HP charm.
    Only boss you should have trouble with in 2-x is Wurlurd and AE... and there's a mob count.
    3-1 and 3-2 you can should be able to solo easily on BM with bloodpaint (of any type, lvl 10 will do).

    "I'm wasting time making a toon so I can NOT do the best money making instance in the game. The toon is only going to do stuff I should already be able to solo! Then I'm going to make a stupid thread about it on forum and argue and insult everyone who replies to me. Trololololo"
    Did I sum it up?

    As for FM and Ribstrike, decreased damage relies on chance. If the boss is going to 3 shot you it will STILL 3 shot you when the third hit lands if you are not healing enough via Bloodpaint to take another hit. Again, you assume I do not use these skills for some reason I do not understand because nowhere in any of my posts did I even allude to spark + auto attack spam. I'm sorry you hate reading math, I guess I'm used to Archer forums where people are logical and not egotistical trolls.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Face. Freaking. Palm.
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sigh.

    If you're not even going to 3-3 on it, why the hell are you making it at all?
    A 2.86 Sin with Hooks can solo tank most of 1-x with an HP charm.
    Only boss you should have trouble with in 2-x is Wurlurd and AE... and there's a mob count.
    3-1 and 3-2 you can should be able to solo easily on BM with bloodpaint (of any type, lvl 10 will do).

    "I'm wasting time making a toon so I can NOT do the best money making instance in the game. The toon is only going to do stuff I should already be able to solo! Then I'm going to make a stupid thread about it on forum and argue and insult everyone who replies to me. Trololololo"
    Did I sum it up?

    As for FM and Ribstrike, decreased damage relies on chance. If the boss is going to 3 shot you it will STILL 3 shot you when the third hit lands if you are not healing enough via Bloodpaint to take another hit. Again, you assume I do not use these skills for some reason I do not understand because nowhere in any of my posts did I even allude to spark + auto attack spam. I'm sorry you hate reading math, I guess I'm used to Archer forums where people are logical and not egotistical trolls.

    Sigh.

    Did I say I was never going to do 3-3? Like I said, with my current gear, no. But if I'm never going to improve my gear, why the hell am I even playing? Not planning on 1-x. Other than soulripper, wurlord and ancient evil are the only profitable bosses in 2-x. The bosses worth doing are iffy on my BM in 3-x.

    How did you get from me "insulting" your posts to me insulting every post I get? Is that the logic you're used to? You should actually read what they say.

    If the boss is going to 3 shot me, I'll let sage FM's 1/3 chance to evade an attack take one of those hits. If it doesn't activate within 3 hits, I'll let my hp charm/defense charms take the hits until it does. If it still doesn't activate, thats when I'd use my genie.The only "chance" there is about ribstrike is whether or not I miss. I don't enjoy reading math, but I don't simply ignore it like you do...
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If you can show me a fist/claw sin doing 200k damage in 1 hit with just auto attack with all possible debuffs, let me know.

    If you can show me a class that can do all possible debuffs, let me know.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    So wait... you come here asking for opinions, you get told it's a downright dumbass idea and then you start bashing people for giving you opinions that are not what you wanted to hear?

    Talk about a hypocrite.

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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So wait... you come here asking for opinions, you get told it's a downright dumbass idea and then you start bashing people for giving you opinions that are not what you wanted to hear?

    Talk about a hypocrite.

    b:cute

    I think you're mixing up arguing with bashing. The only person I've "bashed" is Kerona, because everything they've been arguing against is common sense/something I've said in earlier posts.
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So wait... you come here asking for opinions, you get told it's a downright dumbass idea and then you start bashing people for giving you opinions that are not what you wanted to hear?

    Talk about a hypocrite.

    b:cute

    Just ignore him. At this point he's just talking out of his *** for attention.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Can we please let this joke of a thread die already? I faceroll my keyboard every time I have to look at this thread's name on the first page b:infuriated
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just ignore him. At this point he's just talking out of his *** for attention.

    typing* b:laugh
  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    typing* b:laugh

    prove kerona point idiot b:chuckle
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  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    prove kerona point idiot b:chuckle

    are you... asking for pictures? b:surrender
  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    are you... asking for pictures? b:surrender

    Asking for you to shut up lol
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  • ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear
    ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    stealthxbomber wrote: »
    And don't give me that BS that I can't use skills with claws.

    You can't use skills with claws.

    Why a sin? If you're gonna go claws, why not an HA archer? Or a HA veno?

    You're just taking a char and putting claws on it, and pointing it at a boss and trying for permaspark.

    Sage Cleric gets 25% damage reduction with spark - why not make a HA claw cleric? It will have the same defense and the same DPS and the same claw skills (none).

    Just sayin...

    \necro'd just for the entertainment value
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You can't use skills with claws.

    Why a sin? If you're gonna go claws, why not an HA archer? Or a HA veno?

    You're just taking a char and putting claws on it, and pointing it at a boss and trying for permaspark.

    Sage Cleric gets 25% damage reduction with spark - why not make a HA claw cleric? It will have the same defense and the same DPS and the same claw skills (none).

    Just sayin...

    \necro'd just for the entertainment value

    My main is a BM, I have my important weapons on hotkey so I can switch between them with ease. Sins have focused mind, tidal protection, ribstrike, powerdash, and bloodpaint. Neither a veno or archer (cheze doesn't count) could get bloodpaint. A cleric doesnt get +20% hp recovery or 500% bonus from spark. They also get less HP per vit stat.
  • stealthxbomber
    stealthxbomber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Asking for you to shut up lol

    but you just told me to prove kerona wrong. b:question

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