Faction Hopping and Boring Factions.

Some come under the influence of the POWER that comes with being a high level.. and their personalities change..they aquire the Me Myself and I PoV and intense tunnel vision. This is most evident in a certain MMO thats' been out for 7 years. Most players are "immune" to this influence, due to being treated poorly by those who were. They end up being the anti-thesis/polar opposites of these people. As they are influenced by the GOOD they can do WITH the power of being a high level. They can help the "babies" get to where they are.

PriestRain - Raging Tide wrote: »

But one thing i learned, don't trust ur best friend in game (This sentance is off topic but its somehow connected to me when i left that fac.)

LOOOOL @that one XDDD
see my sig ppl!!!

to OP:
and hey who cares what you do ingame? do what you want! hopp like a hare or do everything by yourself, or ask for help for every little tiny peace of quest, its just a game >_>

i usually stay in a faction till they kick me or till it die from inactivity

you cant find a good faction? just look around in archo and ask someone from a faction you see around a lot, more active players -> more chances that someone helps you

that you usually want everyone allways reply for every request you ask in faction chat b:sweat thats redicioulus, no reply MEANS NO! LOL noob
... the normal quests are supposed to be done ALONE, no faction should even help you with that! bh/fb-squads you can find easely outside the faction at the middle of archo!
factions are only usefull for TTs + Base (good quest exp) + bosses in my opinion b:bye (and TW if youre op enough)

brazenbusboy wrote: »

The other pattern is instead of one selfish leader, is the closed clique. Although they recruit lots of new members, the new members are left pretty much on their own in terms of playing together or getting help. The 3-4 in the clique are all in the same level range and play together all the time, but they rarely have time to assist any of the new people.
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Guild Leaders need to remember, that if the assistance cannot be found IN the guild, then people will start looking outside of the guild. As they do, they find new groups to start farming with, and often - it is people from the same guild that pull the person in, and slowly show them how great their guild is > and you have a new type of guild hopper.

One that hops because the grass looks greener on the other side. Sometimes it is true, but sometimes once the person joins, the 'honeymoon is over' and now they find themselves - again, looking for assistance .... in this new guild.

I also think members stay quiet and do not take issues to the forum enough. Honestly, you invested time in this guild, often doing tons of guild quests and guild mat runs -- so SPEAK UP - be verbal and bring issues to the guild w/o complaining as much as stating fact, bring ss and offering suggestions.

Jumping out of a faction because they have crappy leadership, or the officers are lackluster in keeping it an organized established, focus is one thing.

Jumping out of faction because people didn't bend over backwards to assist you in your dailies is pathetic and selfish.

Jumping out of faction because everyone didn't brighten up and get all chatty Kathy when you felt like it in guild chat is again, pathetic, and selfish.

People that jump factions for personal QQs will ultimately find themselves all over the server with just about every faction tag created.

People should keep in mind, no one logs in to play the game for everyone else. And no one should have too.. People that hop factions all looking for things that cater to JUST them are the epitome of factions ups and downs.

I've seen people leave a perfectly well organized TW faction, all because people didn't jump up and down, start dry humping the air all because they announced they dinged in GC.

Seen people leave factions of that same magnitude all because they were butt hurt that they didn't like what someone said to them. Sometimes dragging 6+ people with them. What just because they carry the same tag as you they are suppose to some how kiss your ***?

The game is washed up with some emotional basket cases. People seem to think when they join a faction, that the entire faction is somehow now obligated to cater to their emotional dysfunctions or something. To me, if it is a TW focused faction, since TW is here only once a week, why in the hell do I need to even speak to you until f/s/s?

Then their are people that join, that thinks the faction is somehow obligated to fully play the game for them. Wait what? who the hell crowned you princess? Play your own damn game, inside or out of faction. If you are too pathetic to help yourself, why should the faction force feed you the game? If you can't play this game with out the crutch of someone else CONSTANTLY handing it over to you, maybe you need to go back and crank up a console game with cheats.

SoulRequiem - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't like being in a faction,not even being asked to join one every day,so in the end I just created one for myself and my alts and Im happy with that.

Some things I don't like in some factions:
--Too chatty people(Those who doesn't let you read wc because they chat all day)
--Too kids with **** chats(Those are pretty annoying)
--Perverts and vulgar people(There's enough in wc already)
--Leaders that they think they can give you orders
--If you ask for 3.33+ aps for Nirvana,and some guildmate asks to join and he is like 2 aps,if you say no everyone gets mad because"He is a faction mate"
--Factions that puts a number on you to see if you level(Thus active)
--Factions with no one talking for the whole day
--When you ask for something and 20+ people ignore you.
--When there is a quarrel in faction chat,and the leader/director doesn't care
--When the leader is absolutely useless and never speaks/help/do a thing for his faction mates
--When they claim that"You have to level at least once every # weeks"
--When they want regular donations
--When you help a faction mate and he doesn't even say thanks(Or he says in pm rather than guild chat)
--When you're selling something for like 10M and a faction mate wants for 5M and he gets mad if I refuse because"He is a faction mate"
--When you got nothing to do but you don't feel like doing a bh69+ unwined,they gets mad
--When a faction claims to be"Family",lol there is only a family in my life and that's the real one,I can be friendly,you can be friendly,but I'll never give you that confidence
--When you're just a number,nobody

In my opinion friend list is the best faction ever.

this. not including nirvana runs (due to me not being high level enuf to run them) or ppl who are too chatty (i find ppl don't chat ENUF in the guild i been in), everything posted here i agree with.


i don't expect the guild to bend over backwards for me, far from it.there are some general things that guilds should try to help with from time to time. how is it i can ask for help with a bh for 2 months and i ALWAYS get ignored or they say (all 30 of them) they are busy.

friend list is indeed the best faction in the game when i used to have 10+ active friends, i never had a problem with running BHs. i could get a party up in under a minute most of the time. where as in a guild i might get ONE person who is different from the others and would help me (that one person is the only one i help in return) and it's damn satisfying when someone asks for help and i say i'm busy and the one person who helps me logs on (right afterwards on some occasions and asks for help and i'm the first one to jump up and say "i'll help." damn i get lols from watching the other guy rage at me for not helping.


again i'll say that i don't expect for anyone to bend over backwards for me, but i don't expect to be totally ignored and left high and dry either. cos i was always under the impression that if one joins a guild, it is to have easier access to help. when you help others others help you in return basically a continuous cycle of "you starch my back, i starch yours", that way, you'll always have someone on call if you need it. but this is just my personal opinion

all in all, i get more done with random parties than guild ones and that in itself is rather sad.

i really dont see any problem with faction hopping. its a good way to see how each faction is and who they really are. if RPK is your thing, join a rpk fac, if helping others and counter RPK (RPKK/PKK) is your thing, find a faction like that. if you end up on KOS and your in a loyal fac, they may avenge your death. but i do agree that some fac's may find fac hopping annoying and frustrating and wont invite you back. if you feel you are going to be in and out of fac's often, start your own and recruit your own team but be prepared to help A LOT and do a lot of fighting with pk'ers and bosses alike (unless your on a PVE server then pk'ers is one less worry)

I think I'm on the fence with faction hopping. I mean I can see both sides. I can see why some people hop around from faction to faction looking for the right fit and then I can also see how it irritates and annoys some people that others bounce around so easily. But then I've also been called a faction hopper and I took offense to it. When I first got with the game and was really new to it I joined the first faction that offered me a request and help. At first the faction was awesome. The leader and director were usually always on and always asking to help with stuff. But eventually they stopped being online as much and slowly I managed to lvl PAST my faction leader. The faction was a tiny faction and I wound up being the highest level player and needed help that my faction couldn't give. So a friend of mine had talked me into changing to a better known faction with a lot of helpful people. So I did. I left my old faction leader a message and explained why I left and told him that if he ever needed anything to just let me know. That... resulted in me being chewed out, called names, cursed at and well... just verbally attacked. All because no one in the faction could help me anymore and I had respectfully withdrawn from his faction seeking more help from higher level players. So yeah... I don't consider myself a faction hopper and I think the term could use some... defining? Just because you don't fit in or need better help, doesn't really make you a faction hopper in my eyes. But eh... everyone has their own opinions.

Having been a guild leader in the past, my experience is there's generally 2 reasons people join a guild. The main reason is the noob's expecting they will have help, on demand. They become frustrated, or disappointed when they discover the guild isn't as responsive as they hoped. The other reason is for social interaction, usually joining an in game friends faction. It's usually after noob's mature in game a bit and have made several friends they team with regularly.

The problem with most guilds are that the members have real lives too. Unless a guild is large enough for a decent daily attendance, noobs are not going to have the response they hoped for. On the other hand, the regular active players will be high level, with their own goals, which require assistance amongst each other, thus resulting in guild cliques.

These clique squads will likely focus on squad chat, with guild chat deactivated, in order to avoid the constant guild chatter.

My point is, noobs need to understand why they are joining a guild and understand they will eventually become disappointed quickly, if they expect to be catered to. That is the wrong reason to join.

When I was a leader of guild, I attempted to "plan" boss kills for lower levels, in order to help them continue progression in leveling. What a mistake! Despite my neglecting my own progress, someone was always whining about what I wasn't doing for THEM.

I spent much time, effort and my own coin to teach noobs how to improve their gear etc., only to see them leave, taking their gain to another guild.

Higher levels get burned out, after dealing with these and many other issues from noobs, at some point they say enough is enough.

For all the noob's that may read this - forget faction/guild until you have progressed to mid level. Build your friends list, rely on that to get major challenges done. By mid level you will likely find yourself in a guild with some friends. Between you and your friends, you will have access to higher level players that will come to your aid, just exercise patience while you wait for the high level to have the free time.

My friends and I "always" help lower level friends, but on our schedule, not theirs.
We don't refuse calls from strangers either - so don't be afraid to do World Chat for help. There's still plenty high levels willing to respond to random help too.

Pandaisshoe - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is faction hopping really that wrong?

So many factions recruiting claiming to be, "Helpful, active fun" and in truth they do not embody even one of those traits.

I've joined factions that claim to be active, yet the leader is never online, when the leader is he/she never talks. Other higher lvl members will only run BH's or TT's. They won't help with reg. quests that I guess are beneath them.

Or you'll ask if anyone in the faction can help and there will be 12 ppl on and NONE of them even reply. At least say " No I can't" or something....

So I guess what this vent is really asking is:

If the faction you are in isn't really for you, is moving on to the next one and so forth so wrong??

Just do it yourself. 90% of quests you can do alone. And if you need help just use wc. I level up my char. to lv. 100 completely alone without faction.

Faction,
It is when u active members put all thier time and money into faction, Then one day leader stops showing. officer and memeber can do a thing. So all the material and coin we into banks and whatever is a waste.
No wonder member final it hard to donation to factions , me alone in donated 5,000,000 with 3 months time. that not including PWI items and what other memeber has donate.
start with nothing and build it up so fast. Our memebers are great alway helpful, fun , they are my friends and famliy.
Anyway it jus wrong and sad.
Question :
1. what does happen to faction.
2. do all mats and money jus sit in factions bank.
b:cryb:sad
but any i put the char. in faction that been around and seem stable.
Main's faction now that it jus sad.

Just remember Leaders, sometimes all it takes is one loud-mouth officer of yours to get someone leaving the guild fast. And no one tells you they are like this. Maybe you need to drop an alt in and see what's really what huh..

Smartest advice for factions who arent seeing growth.b:victory

lordhanzo wrote: »

...(or maybe they're online when I'm offline, but sadly I never see an increase level, thats odd because they're still in 30-40).

Should I stay there? b:shutup
ps: if you're busy or prefer to play your alt in another Faction, dont make open recruitment -___-"

I find it difficult to stay under 40 TG for genies.

This person is using the toon for a bank & or that toon is on the users back burner which he/she only pays attention to during server reset.

Get out before you waste more time.

1st thing: no1 really ever helps with normal quests. you wont run out of quests till like lvl 80 these days. and theres more low lvls than high lvls in every guild so pretty much high lvls would have babysit lower levels 24/7 and even then they wouldn't be happy becous they aren't enough. only way you will get help with normal quests is
a) someone super bored
b) someone have same quest
c) some veno needs to level low level pet

2nd thing: most people play this game for fun and for themselves, if dailies takes 4 hours for them and 4 hours is all their playing time a day then don't expect help from them unless it's weekend. game is a hobby not work and they can do w/e they want to do

3rd thing: bosses. In every guild sometimes you will have to wait for few days for your boss to get killed. If its cultivation boss then faster, if not then will have to wait. If you think you have been waiting to long then suggest leader to make boss day so you have atleast one day a week when you will get bosses done.
how to get boss done the fast way:
1) find what classes and levels can do boss, veno, herc veno, tank+cleric, mag tank etc
2)ask in guild for help if no replies or people busy then next step
3) pm people you will need for boss if they are busy then ask them when they will be free and make a plan at what time you all can do boss( feel free to remind that time is coming, but only once. sometimes people forget, but spamming them will only lead to pissing them off and not helping)
If you wait for boss day, most likely you will find cleric/barb in the middle of week who also needs same boss and hey, you can do it without high levels help.

4th ting: dungeons. You can find group for it yourself or make one.
BH - You should never ask guild members to do BH solely for you alone.
1) you can make bh squad in the mmiddle of arch, if takes to much time then use telecaustics
2) if to lazy then go back to your questing and watch worldchat, maybe someone will need you
3) ask guildies to help only if dungeon is in halfway and something goes wrong(tank or cleric leaves, unable to finish dungeon).
4) don't ever expect high levels to just go solo your dungeon or form squad for you
Squad with guildies for dungeons and help with their FBs, if they will see that you play good and learn fast then most likely you will be invited to other dungeons(TT, FC etc) with them.

I don't think anyone who agrees with what i wrote have had problem finding good guild.
Some of the guilds are really bad, but how about instead of them interviewing you, you interview them? Usually works in my case. Find out how active it is, what time zone its most active(if you are from eu then most guilds will have small amount of players on your time zone and you will have to wait till evening to get anything done with guilds help). How many active players are in guild. Whats the level range and so on. Not always small guilds are bad, especially if its build by core of friends it will be talkactive and maybe you can help to make that guild better. If there is one leader who does everyting and other don't then guild most likely is gonna die once leader burns out and stop helping for couple days. If guild is build on nice core of people who share their helping time they are less likely gonna burn out so fast and faction will grow into nice and big one.

I tried to help factions two times alread... what I can say is:

Low level players don't give a shi_t for your guild, they want to level fast and join a guild with territory, It's sad but It's true.
Also once I was on a guild with boss day, In this day everyone that was lv70+ was obliged to help the lowbies and we helped because we liked of It, there was guys that we helped with boss and quests since lv29 or bellow, then at the lv5x we cannot kill a certain boss for this person and then he left the guild saying that "anyone helps him", this happened a lot of times.

Then I had to put his/her name on my black list and PK that person everytime that I saw him b:chuckle

But I don't help anyone with normal quests, unless I'm very bored, unless that It is a mini boss, normal quests should be made with people that are around you, I'm not a baby-sitter of anyone.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just looking at the OP's post and skimming the other 6 pages, here's my response.

1. There are WAY too many factions now. Most don't have any support or backbone in order to actually be a good faction. Those factions will do a huge recruiting drive, get lots of kids in and talking, and then spam WC that they are an active faction hoping to get some Core* Members in to support the growth.
This fails to work on many levels. You've got a bunch of lower level kids with no ties that just want help, and the better group that came in looking for an active and helpful faction have found themselves as the support group. The former leaves because no one will do their quests for them, (see #3), and the latter because so much is being asked of them.
Rinse and repeat.

2. The inactive leader. They leave their toon logged on so that they can see who comes and goes. They want to have an idea of what's going on in faction chat. They are busy being the absentee leader. You will see them come on and be active, but only for the 2 hours that they have between work, dinner and bed. Most would probably be good leaders, if only they had the free time.

3. The lack of help. I'm all for helping out with bosses, Spiritual cultivation, FB's, and the things that you can't solo. I will not come out and kill your quest mobs for you, neither should the rest of the high levels in the faction. Regular quests are for you to learn your skills and how to work with various types of mobs. I have played all of the classes up to at least level 60 with various build for each class and there is NO reason that you cannot do this on your own. (It was a little harder with the archer barb, but still do-able.) If you find that you do need help, I am more than happy to give you advise and help find what it is you are doing wrong. I'll even help you find others your level with the same quests. (Hell I probably have an alt in that range with those quests.) Having higher levels do your quests does not help you grow, it's an unnecessary strain on the higher levels you ask for help, and it nerfs your experience to boot.

4. The inactive faction. 12 people online, and none reply. There's many reasons for this, but here's what I've found to be the most common. 8 of those are catshops. Either leaders/officers monitoring the faction, or active members trying to vend when they are working/sleeping. Yes its bad for the faction. I'm totally against it. If you want to vend, make another account/toon for it and don't put it in a faction that you claim is active.
The other 4 are active, but they're in an instance, or fighting a boss, or helping someone, or stepped away for a coffee.

5. The really good factions. Sure the factions that TW every week and have land are going to be big, and have lots of active people, but that doesn't mean that they are good. In fact, experience has shown that for the most part, they are cash shoppers that primarily care for themselves.
If you want a really good faction, you'll be looking for one that TW's occasionally, may or may not have land, and has been around for a while. The good ones will usually require that you register on their website before joining. You say, "why register, it's just a game?" Because that's how you weed out the idiots and people that you don't want in a good family faction. Being a part of a good faction requires participation from ALL members, not just the high levels.

* Core Members: These are usually higher level people, they will go out of their way to help you with the things I listed in #3. These people can be hard to find, but you don't want to build a faction unless you have them in hand. Not having this is where many small factions fail.

My eyes are burning after reading your yellow text q.x

Next time use a yellower font and bigger text on a blacker background. >_<

Anyway...

Yeah. I've been in factions that had a good core group, but then lack of leadership from the faction leader and/or bad decisions doomed the faction. in fact, the leader wanted to join a TW faction, and so put lead on an alt. Well, after they got too busy, decided to give faction to one of the officers... That officer just happened to be driving the core members out of the faction in the first place. In one day, about 3 months before the lead was given to that person, 4 out of 5 marshals, and I think 6 executors left the faction over that one person being there.

Then, when that person was made leader, they did something very... Um, horrible? Faction director logged leader's account, transferred leader to himself, then booted everyone from the faction. After that, the faction was put on one of his alts for around a year.

That faction went from 190+ members, around 130 of them active players, to 1 person in 5 months. >_>