i'm getting so tired of this ..

Mr_Wasabi - Harshlands · October 2011

i remember the days when the game use to be about players . now it seems to be about whose the richest . i'm use to going around helping everyone when i can but now-a-days it doesn't even matter cause no one appreciates it . even when i try to make money , its still useless cause prices change . pwi has become the stock market . thinking about taking another yr and a half break b:cry

Knownase - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Let's start an #OccupyPWi movement then?

b:avoid

Mr_Wasabi - Harshlands · October 2011

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let's start an #OccupyPWi movement then?

b:avoid

how much would i love that ? on a scale from 1 - 10 .. rank 9 +12 , lol .

TheTigerTank - Archosaur · October 2011

I just gained +10 coolness points . . . . FTW! b:victory

NiightmareXz - Harshlands · October 2011

I agree with the helping part... On my veno, not even my friends will do bosses for her. I have to beg or pay someone from WC to do anything anymore.

Shoulda made my veno on another account from my archer... although i can't multiclient anyway. My computer can't handle it

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary · October 2011

I find that as I've gotten richer, I've gotten less and less helpful in-game.

This is because as I've gotten richer, people have gotten more and more resentful and keep expecting more and more for free.

For example, I'd happily help out for 2 hours doing quests that were of no benefit to me, then the person I was helping would ask me if I could sell them an HP charm for below-cost. I'd tell them no, selling my stock for-profit is how I pay my way in-game (and incidentally, how I'm able to afford to help them out all the time), but hey here's some investment advice you can use to earn your own money...

At that point they'd announce something to the effect of, "Well, I might as well quit the game then. I haven't got time to spend all day merchanting, and you can't get anywhere without an HP charm."

Nowadays I generally prefer helping total random noobs, because they're always very appreciative.

Telarith - Sanctuary · October 2011

Pretty much just came back to casual play. Taking so long off, missed alot of sales and such that would have made me rich enough to get best gear. But since they are already talking about even newer gear, I just kind of don't see the point chasing it. So I merchant a bit, and get some end game goals I had before which will let me do pretty much everything anyways. Just won't have the best gear.

Nice thing is it let's me play just for fun. I primarily just do runs with legion mates, or some of the people from forum or in game I met. If I get into a group with someone who acts like a brat, I just leave after whatever finishes. Don't have to worry about dividing whatever, since I'm not on the endless path of newest gear. So I can jump on TT runs, vana runs, WBs, FBs, BHs, cultis, or whatever. And I don't have to worry about who gets what drop, or any of the other annoying things so many people let get to them.

So really it's about expectations as much as anything. Alot of the things that can drain the fun out of the game, are really quite pointless. Should find a way to make enough money to be comfortable, and then for anything you do make sure it's something you're enjoying. If not, avoid the irritating things in the future.

Even though merchanting is a nice lazy way to make money, there are also plenty of other avenues to makes millions an hour. Colored Glue is currently going for 12K buy price per on our server. Doing old fashioned grind leveling on my cleric, I could get tons of those doing the flying AoE method on Petali. And on double drop events, it reall is not hard to get a large amount when you're killing 24+ of them at a time. Add in all the other drops (weapons, armor, pots, etc.), the almost complete lack of repair bill, and not needing a charm for health or mana, and you've got an efficient way to earn coins even in the 60-70 range of lvl. I imagine many other classes have similar means, it's just the cleric one I remember being the most profitable and least costly to make.

hiddenmonkey · October 2011

No one but the absolute newbies ever quest anymore.

Everyone's looking for the shortest path to the highest level possible. This is not just a shot at people who FF but the people who BH and oracle too. All that free exp leaves people at a high level and without a clue or money. Then they whine and complain when no one wants to go with them because they never took the time to grind or earn any money from quests and things like low level TT's.

At high levels its completely understandable too. You're left grinding a mountian of hard monsters and you're rewarded with exp and rep you'd see from something half your level ago. The old days 40-60 was eye gougingly slow because you only had 1-2 quests a level forcing your to grind away painfully only to discover you had to do it again for another level.

Now its just painful to quest because there is no one ever around to quest with. Areas once teaming with players working and fighting together to complete quests are now barron wastelands.
Its the devs fault for throwing all this easy exp at us rather than giving quest rewards a boost to give them more appeal.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear · October 2011

I'm just playing this game until other 3 games I'm waiting are released b:shutup hope they are pay to play so they dont end like this one.

This game is oooooooldddddd..... like seriously..... the graphics, playstyle, systems, etc. are oooooooooolddddddddddddd we need new games with new graphics, a game that won't crash on you while playing for the developer's fault, a game where the company do care of what the players have to say.

- A game that can use more than 1 core and more than 1 graphic card gosh! ><

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide · October 2011

Getting help lately is hard.

I still don't have full tt99, my wife that works had to literrally buy me the mats or pre-made ones , even if I like her name better on my stuff.

I have people that told me "Oh we know ur lowish APS we'll invite you to Nirvana to help rack it up a bit" Well, 2x is ending, and those perticular persons invited me on TWO, yeah 2 runs.

One kept her promise though and tries to invite me at least once per day (or twice in a day if day before coudn't), but still, i'm far from the help I would have expected. In all 2x, if I got 20-25 cannies, I think it's good. (which I sold to learn some demon skills on this guy and my barb).

I also have one that keeps telling me "Aww man, card bosses pay good, and it's easy to farm cards in map 2-3, and I make good money in map 3", then realizes "Oh yeah, told you I would help you open map 2 so you can reach there, we'll get to it after 2x" hmm.. Was it that hard to take 1-2 hours to get me through wave 4 of delta to open map 2 in a month ? Really ?

Then I have some people I know that came from a private server giving me astronomical values of hp and phys def, but then find i'm "weak" when I go clear mobs in bh39. Yo, I have 3 pieces of tt99, nothing refined over +3, i'm a BM. Of course if I mis-timed my true emptyness or alter magical, 4 mobs that blow up at once will hurt..(Might I add with no buffs whatsoever, barb , nor clerc, nor BP)

But despite that, what do I do of my days ? I read world chat. I see someone call more then once for a boss, if I know I can kill it whitout heals and too many charm ticks, i'll go whitout hesitating. I love to help, I woudn't help, I would feel dead. But even if a simple thanks is enough most of the time and i don't expect anything really in return..Having some people willing tohelp me out sometimes, would be fun too. Me and my gf mostly do things "duo" , mostly our bh's. When we want to go, we pass by disk to see if anyone needs and we check friendlist but mostly end up going alone anyway. (We duoed bh100 SoT her on her clerc, me on my BM, and today Brim on my barb)

I agree that rich people tend to want to be richer and make more money faster, leaving those less fortunate ones in the dust or wondering how the hell they are gonna fork out 80 mils for a Lunar Glade Cape. I find it sad but in a way, it make sme check auction more, and what rich people think is **** can be my treasure. Wearing a 3 sockets Cape of Mystery with total vit 13, str 7 ain't that bad for now..And crafting my own 172 ohysical atk OHT ring (To which I engraved str 5) basicly for free (except engraving cost) made me happy. Actually makes me more proud to kill stuff or survive stuff.

I do miss the good old times, where I could just roam over disk on my cleric and get random squads invites "hey wanna go bh69, it's wined and all ?" and now I can pass hours there and if I don't get wines and teles and advertise it, i won't go anywhere..

Game sure has changed..

Eilexa - Heavens Tear · October 2011

hiddenmonkey wrote: »

No one but the absolute newbies ever quest anymore.

Everyone's looking for the shortest path to the highest level possible. This is not just a shot at people who FF but the people who BH and oracle too. All that free exp leaves people at a high level and without a clue or money. Then they whine and complain when no one wants to go with them because they never took the time to grind or earn any money from quests and things like low level TT's.

At high levels its completely understandable too. You're left grinding a mountian of hard monsters and you're rewarded with exp and rep you'd see from something half your level ago. The old days 40-60 was eye gougingly slow because you only had 1-2 quests a level forcing your to grind away painfully only to discover you had to do it again for another level.

Now its just painful to quest because there is no one ever around to quest with. Areas once teaming with players working and fighting together to complete quests are now barron wastelands.
Its the devs fault for throwing all this easy exp at us rather than giving quest rewards a boost to give them more appeal.

I disagree...I'm by no means a "newbie", I've been playing for more than 2 years and I'm lv 102 and I still do quests when I get them and do that for all my 10 chars...I enjoy questing for many reasons (not elaborating, have done so in the whole SP discussion) as do many others (check the whole SP discussion). I also enjoy helping people when they really need the help (I don't like doing someone quests just because they lazy though lol), I remember what it's like to be a low level and having to beg for help...

Yamiino - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

I agree that rich people tend to want to be richer and make more money faster, leaving those less fortunate ones in the dust or wondering how the hell they are gonna fork out 80 mils for a Lunar Glade Cape. I find it sad but in a way, it make sme check auction more, and what rich people think is **** can be my treasure. Wearing a 3 sockets Cape of Mystery with total vit 13, str 7 ain't that bad for now..And crafting my own 172 ohysical atk OHT ring (To which I engraved str 5) basicly for free (except engraving cost) made me happy. Actually makes me more proud to kill stuff or survive stuff.

I do miss the good old times, where I could just roam over disk on my cleric and get random squads invites "hey wanna go bh69, it's wined and all ?" and now I can pass hours there and if I don't get wines and teles and advertise it, i won't go anywhere..

Game sure has changed..

This. I'm a Cash Shopper, I have to admit, but yes this has a lot of truth in it, just seems that PW wants to leech all the coin they can before it explodes, well... it already happened so, what to do.

They fell low by selling packs and gears in boutique, yes we get them, why? because if we don't we suck, if we suck, the game becomes boring, if the game becomes boring, I'm out.

b:laugh Simple as that.

Eilexa - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

Getting help lately is hard.

I still don't have full tt99, my wife that works had to literrally buy me the mats or pre-made ones , even if I like her name better on my stuff.

I have people that told me "Oh we know ur lowish APS we'll invite you to Nirvana to help rack it up a bit" Well, 2x is ending, and those perticular persons invited me on TWO, yeah 2 runs.

One kept her promise though and tries to invite me at least once per day (or twice in a day if day before coudn't), but still, i'm far from the help I would have expected. In all 2x, if I got 20-25 cannies, I think it's good. (which I sold to learn some demon skills on this guy and my barb).

I also have one that keeps telling me "Aww man, card bosses pay good, and it's easy to farm cards in map 2-3, and I make good money in map 3", then realizes "Oh yeah, told you I would help you open map 2 so you can reach there, we'll get to it after 2x" hmm.. Was it that hard to take 1-2 hours to get me through wave 4 of delta to open map 2 in a month ? Really ?

Then I have some people I know that came from a private server giving me astronomical values of hp and phys def, but then find i'm "weak" when I go clear mobs in bh39. Yo, I have 3 pieces of tt99, nothing refined over +3, i'm a BM. Of course if I mis-timed my true emptyness or alter magical, 4 mobs that blow up at once will hurt..(Might I add with no buffs whatsoever, barb , nor clerc, nor BP)

But despite that, what do I do of my days ? I read world chat. I see someone call more then once for a boss, if I know I can kill it whitout heals and too many charm ticks, i'll go whitout hesitating. I love to help, I woudn't help, I would feel dead. But even if a simple thanks is enough most of the time and i don't expect anything really in return..Having some people willing tohelp me out sometimes, would be fun too. Me and my gf mostly do things "duo" , mostly our bh's. When we want to go, we pass by disk to see if anyone needs and we check friendlist but mostly end up going alone anyway. (We duoed bh100 SoT her on her clerc, me on my BM, and today Brim on my barb)

I agree that rich people tend to want to be richer and make more money faster, leaving those less fortunate ones in the dust or wondering how the hell they are gonna fork out 80 mils for a Lunar Glade Cape. I find it sad but in a way, it make sme check auction more, and what rich people think is **** can be my treasure. Wearing a 3 sockets Cape of Mystery with total vit 13, str 7 ain't that bad for now..And crafting my own 172 ohysical atk OHT ring (To which I engraved str 5) basicly for free (except engraving cost) made me happy. Actually makes me more proud to kill stuff or survive stuff.

I do miss the good old times, where I could just roam over disk on my cleric and get random squads invites "hey wanna go bh69, it's wined and all ?" and now I can pass hours there and if I don't get wines and teles and advertise it, i won't go anywhere..

Game sure has changed..

I definately know what you feel ... I used to be there myself ... I mean a BM that doesn't have like 5 aps sparked is useless right ... no nirvana for us ... Just yesterday I got my stage 2 nirvy pants making me 5 aps sparked, I worked a long time to get that done. My TT sets (for the extra -int) I did myself, grinded for it, sold stuff, farmed herbs...I must add though that being in a slightly helpful and active fac actually helped with the nirvana farming (maybe cuz they feel obliged to help a guildie b:chuckle whatever I got it done). Good luck with your gears, I know it ain't easy...or cheap...but you will get there eventually...

Yuniryu - Raging Tide · October 2011

Mr_Wasabi - Harshlands wrote: »

i remember the days when the game use to be about players . now it seems to be about whose the richest . i'm use to going around helping everyone when i can but now-a-days it doesn't even matter cause no one appreciates it . even when i try to make money , its still useless cause prices change . pwi has become the stock market . thinking about taking another yr and a half break b:cry

So true, So true. I was thinking of taking a break too. But since i am addicted i am going to do bit by bit, first i will start off not playing for a week. If it feels right, then more weeks. Hopefully eventually i can move on and uninstall pwi. Well the bright side is i will get my 6GB or 8GB and my life back.

Pwi was a fun game before expansion, yes i know seeker is fun but really no fun people ignoring your calls but they ask for fc.b:chuckle

Trust me if you dont enjoy, leave, try for a few days. If it feels right then dont come back.b:chuckle

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Lately I just come on to open faerie boxes and waste 15 or 20 more teles trying to get people for my 3-2 and 3-3 culti.

My friends are too busy doing nirvana to be bothered with putting their hax aps to use on a few chump bosses with me.

I find 1 or 2 random people, but never a cleric. Most of my friends are clerics but they barely even touch their mains anymore.

Then there are all those charming people in WC that whine about how bored they are, but ignore you when you ask them if they wanna kill stuff.

I don't even want any drops, I have zero use for them, I just want 4 bosses dead.

Since I refuse to bribe people, friends included to help me do the handful of quests between me and an empty quest list and 100 skills I just spend my time elsewhere.

Can't wait for Dark Souls on Tuesday b:cry

Yuniryu - Raging Tide · October 2011

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lately I just come on to open faerie boxes and waste 15 or 20 more teles trying to get people for my 3-2 and 3-3 culti.

My friends are too busy doing nirvana to be bothered with putting their hax aps to use on a few chump bosses with me.

I find 1 or 2 random people, but never a cleric. Most of my friends are clerics but they barely even touch their mains anymore.

Then there are all those charming people in WC that whine about how bored they are, but ignore you when you ask them if they wanna kill stuff.

I don't even want any drops, I have zero use for them, I just want 4 bosses dead.

Since I refuse to bribe people, friends included to help me do the handful of quests between me and an empty quest list and 100 skills I just spend my time elsewhere.

Can't wait for Dark Souls on Tuesday b:cry

Yeah because everyone is concerned about aps and reaching the top as fast as possible. The people who want to play are forced to reroll aps or merch or cash buy to keep up or even reach their end game.b:laugh

Its got a point where university lectures and work is more exciting then pwi. Yes ( XD studying is more fun lol).

enjoy your Dark souls.

VenoMKII - Harshlands · October 2011

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lately I just come on to open faerie boxes and waste 15 or 20 more teles trying to get people for my 3-2 and 3-3 culti.

My friends are too busy doing nirvana to be bothered with putting their hax aps to use on a few chump bosses with me.

I find 1 or 2 random people, but never a cleric. Most of my friends are clerics but they barely even touch their mains anymore.

Then there are all those charming people in WC that whine about how bored they are, but ignore you when you ask them if they wanna kill stuff.

I don't even want any drops, I have zero use for them, I just want 4 bosses dead.

Since I refuse to bribe people, friends included to help me do the handful of quests between me and an empty quest list and 100 skills I just spend my time elsewhere.

Can't wait for Dark Souls on Tuesday b:cry

Almost identical to my ingame life nowadays b:cry

Eden - Raging Tide · October 2011

Mr_Wasabi - Harshlands wrote: »

i remember the days when the game use to be about players . now it seems to be about whose the richest . i'm use to going around helping everyone when i can but now-a-days it doesn't even matter cause no one appreciates it . even when i try to make money , its still useless cause prices change . pwi has become the stock market . thinking about taking another yr and a half break b:cry

so u took a break from game come back and disappointed at game go to **** and u think when ur next break over pwi be any better? b:chuckle

if u r smart enough to quit now just quit for good

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · October 2011

A retired pwi player always ask:
" Is there class like pwsin or aps here ? I might consider to play this game. "
on other pwe games forum.

Abstractive - Archosaur · October 2011

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A retired pwi player always ask:
" Is there class like pwsin or aps here ? I might consider to play this game. "
on other pwe games forum.

b:kiss rabbit

carocaina · October 2011

the game is fine. i made nirvana pants and dags in this x2 w/o csing, i was 2.86 aps, now im 5 aps. Work on ur gear and stop qqing about csers is the best way to enjoy the game.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands · October 2011

carocaina wrote: »

the game is fine. i made nirvana pants and dags in this x2 w/o csing, i was 2.86 aps, now im 5 aps. Work on ur gear and stop qqing about csers is the best way to enjoy the game.

Too bad not everyone wants to roll a sin so they can solo this game. b:bye
This game is meant to be multiplayer, and all these dumbass 5aps users ruin it.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide · October 2011

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Too bad not everyone wants to roll a sin so they can solo this game. b:bye
This game is meant to be multiplayer, and all these dumbass 5aps users ruin it.

^^

That

Totally agree.

It would be a extremely drastic measure but just imagine one sec, just quick.

Delete sins and we have a multiplayer game back.

You don't believe me ? Think about it, no sins would be :

- A lot less people would solo FC, sell heads, powerleveling would fade out.

- Barbs woudn't be so afraid to lose agro to a squishy who gets 2 shotted.

- PvP would be more enjoyable (for those who do)

- Cube runs on a PvE server would be more enjoyable.

- NIrvana Squads would become "slower" and probably would get more people to go.

- People would actually work more together in most situations.

- We would have less QQing about OP sins, or those who "I skipped mobs in a bh, boss got me so bad...(frenzy mode)" things..

Cytte - Harshlands · October 2011

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

^^

That

Totally agree.

It would be a extremely drastic measure but just imagine one sec, just quick.

Delete the Tideborn and we have a multiplayer game back.

You don't believe me ? Think about it, no sins would be :

- A lot less people would solo FC, sell heads, powerleveling would fade out.

- Barbs woudn't be so afraid to lose agro to a squishy who gets 2 shotted.

- PvP would be more enjoyable (for those who do)

- Cube runs on a PvE server would be more enjoyable.

- NIrvana Squads would become "slower" and probably would get more people to go.

- People would actually work more together in most situations.

- We would have less QQing about OP sins, or those who "I skipped mobs in a bh, boss got me so bad...(frenzy mode)" things..

Fixed, those other fish people are just a little less tweaked then sins

fxcking soulforce b:shocked

TanisHawkeye - Dreamweaver · October 2011

Cytte - Harshlands wrote: »

Fixed, those other fish people are just a little less tweaked then sins

fxcking soulforce b:shocked

I think other measures can be taken before completely eliminating the race >.>

I mean a high-dps class that is both squishy and good at pvp does sound a little hard to nerf, but either by decreasing their damage multiplier from dex or tweaking how their stealth works I think you could bring sins back into a reasonable range. Hell you could do something as simple as upping the perception of monsters in instances so that they can see something like 10-15 levels above them if not more and prevent sins from just running past all the mobs...

Yes sins are a bit broken as they stand, but I know that they wont ever just delete an entire race, so it'd be more productive to suggest fixes rather than just complaining about how broken they are

Yamiino - Heavens Tear · October 2011

This game is just fun if you have friends to chat with, its a giant 3D MSN with bunch of bling bling

b:pleased

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · October 2011

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I agree with the helping part... On my veno, not even my friends will do bosses for her. I have to beg or pay someone from WC to do anything anymore.
Shoulda made my veno on another account from my archer... although i can't multiclient anyway. My computer can't handle it

I think that just mean you need better friends... and maybe also stop calling every random a friend. My alts had no problem getting his cult/bosses done. Hell... I even had helpers bring their own wine when I didn't have any.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · October 2011

I always try and help people that world chat for a culti boss or one of the other minor bosses. Quil, Kimsa, Jewel if I'm not doing something important I'll answer them and go help. Sadly a lot of them are ungrateful, but I still keep helping them out hoping that maybe when they get higher lvl they will return the favor for the next generation of newbies, but I doubt it.

Psytrac - Dreamweaver · October 2011

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

I always try and help people that world chat for a culti boss or one of the other minor bosses. Quil, Kimsa, Jewel if I'm not doing something important I'll answer them and go help. Sadly a lot of them are ungrateful, but I still keep helping them out hoping that maybe when they get higher lvl they will return the favor for the next generation of newbies, but I doubt it.

we need more like you on DW, re-roll on DW :P

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · October 2011

b:infuriated But I haven't even made endgame for my cleric yet. My sin on Lost is endgame 5aps sage ftw, but still working on my sin on RT I don't wanna start on another server and be a noob especially when no one wants to help noobs they just get told to power lvl or GTFO b:cry

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide · October 2011

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

I always try and help people that world chat for a culti boss or one of the other minor bosses. Quil, Kimsa, Jewel if I'm not doing something important I'll answer them and go help. Sadly a lot of them are ungrateful, but I still keep helping them out hoping that maybe when they get higher lvl they will return the favor for the next generation of newbies, but I doubt it.

Exactly good point. I'm director of my faction , I like the name and won't go in another. I helped everyone I could even at some impossible hours to just see them leave into "bigger names" whitout even having then "guts" to try to help us (me and my gf) back.

What is still funny though is that some of them still call upon us to go help them and ONE of our old members actually invited me to a Nirvy run. We were over 130 a year ago, now we have hmm.. 5 or 6 active. It's small, quiet, no drama whatsoever and one of my friends recenttly quit faction AND game cause he coudn't even have a shot to go make money in NIrvana.

Some people are just too greedy and won't let the chance to "poorer" ones to get a tad richer. You will tell me to world chat and make my own squads ? I did, often. But should a online game be forced to make a squad of "rejects" to get things done ? Go in a bigger faction ? Nah, I will stay ni my little one with no drama thank you, even if I can get barely no help. Make new friends ? Yeah perhaps, cause really, most I have/had became heavy cs'ers or went to powerlevel their toons to reach end-game.

Ya it is much more fun to heavy merchant alone or swipe a credit card then to get in squads and go farm the mats for free while having fun, right ?

i'm getting so tired of this ..

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