Regen is gonna take over

BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not going to comment on this thread - but before someone jumps on Mitachi for saying until last week we had only attacked IT I will make the follwoing comment.

When the map was reset - we located North as did EQ. We attacked EQ as soon as we could for what we believed to be the competitive challenge. EQ members broke away from their faction and formed IT which located in the south of the map. We continued to attack EQ until the fights were so ridiculously short we realised that IT may represent the strongest faction other than us on the server. So we moved south (not at the request of EQ as IT loved to imply) this journey did see some collateral damage as the path to IT was paved with a Kindrid land and two of Warlocks. At that point we bordered and continued to attack IT until two weeks ago when we attacked Dyna and last week when we attacked EQ.

That's as far as I will go with this amusing thread.

And the leader has spoken. WOOOW, talking about popularity of this thread. Anyhow, now that endlesspy has been able to cause all this mess (poor guy hasn't commented since the beginning xD), I think we should all have a beer (or scotch, depends) and get back to work (farming mats, charms, stuff), how about that?

Jealousy is a really bad thing.

Shadowfire - Dreamweaver wrote: »

(also hi decus)

Aracnius - Dreamweaver wrote: »

+1 o.o

b:bye b:thanks

b:bye The minute Regen was able to defend IT's attack in 30 minutes the servers chances of not being painted in poo went down the dunny. If you ask me i think Spades is the servers best chance in beating regen, if G ever gets the nads to attack without the fear of being wiped (which is inevitably what happens to a faction who attacks regen), P.s Rank9+12 sin/rank8+11 psy LF tw faction b:dirtyb:kiss

Die stonk die. ps you still owe me a guardian scroll from that time you pk me in your BH b:beatup Mummy was not impressed, and remembers everthing b:scorn

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Die stonk die. ps you still owe me a guardian scroll from that time you pk me in your BH b:beatup Mummy was not impressed, and remembers everthing b:scorn

Whats PK ? b:avoid

b:chuckle Your right snow, Eq and Dyna did ask IT to gank regen with them, but i think IT wants to hang on their last little corner peice of brown b:victory

FiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1 year ago:

* OMG WTF BBQ all your base are belong to Calamity. GM reset map, TW is booooring, every1 wants TW but we can't haz TW becuz crabs haz all maps.

Expansion comes , map resets. Everyone is happy. They took lands from AI controlled mobs with R8 gear on them. **** WE HAZ SKILLLLLLZZZZZZZZZ, WE DESERVE LANDZZZZZ *****

Regenesis gets its sh|t together and starts roflpwning everyone.

Just to clarify. Map was only reset by GMs once.
-Server opened around April 2009
-Calamity Red'd it on October 10, 2010.
-Calamity split into Regenesis and some others. Regenesis first TW was in November 2010.
-Regenesis controlled about half the map, but wasn't succesfully beating Equinox. The weekend that the server reset was announced, was the actual first weekend we succesfully beat EQ in Archosaur by the end of February 2011.
-Map Resets for Tideborn Expansion around March 2011.

Now here's the fun part.

As BB pointed out, his decision was to locate north, we took TT teleport to provide the faction a rather useful teleport, as compared to the alternative to take 2 lands near Etherblade.

Equinox went for Etherblade, and had the same opportunity to take 1K as we did. We discussed for several days the possibility of max bidding 1K streams to secure it, if EQ intentions was to border it too.

On the second week, BB was out-bid by (If my memory serves me) SlutPuppy's faction. Which pretty much served EQ 1K streams.

Now, this is a faction that we were only able to beat, in my opinion, in an archosaur attack, because its much easier for our members to access Ironguards. Sure, anyone can go and buy IGs out of catshops, but how many people actually does it? At market prices, it cost around 5 times less to any Regen member to get Ironguards, so every one of our members knows the advantage of resources they have in TW. I (as I can't really speak for BB), was truly worried about Equinox taking 1K before us. I had serious doubts that we would be able to take 1K streams from them, as it was very hard to win against Equinox when we fought them in Archosaur (Same map as 1K streams), when we won after 2h45 minutes.

As Director back then, I was seriously troubled, the way I saw it then. If Equinox was to take 1K, we'd have to re-think our tactical approach to the new map, move further south, better our TW attendance and gears, force Equinox to take the battle to us and attack us. Hope that we'd be better after the dust of small factions taking lands would've established.

I log 2 days after, I find out that Equinox split for reasons that are still not clear to me. Equinox had split into InTandem and we were being approached into not attacking EQ and give them time to rebuild.



It's not Regenesis fault that the server can't get their **** together. I know now, better than anyone, that we too have the same problem any other faction does. I bet my reasons for leaving Regenesis were not so different from the reasons that those that made IT had. Yet we were all able to humble out and get to an agreement, once we cooled our minds.

Regenesis could've been stopped in numerous occasions, but the idea of the faction (not the name, not the logo, not the color) can't be destroyed. I see little difference between the Calamity BB led when I rejoined in April 2010, to the Regenesis he leads now. If the core decides to continue the faction or to make a new one. So long the idea remains, the success behind it remains.

We were not always a better TW faction or a better PK faction. But we were always a better community. That's what made us successful in Calamity. That's what will make us successful in this new map. Imagine what could have happened if IT would've never been spawned. If EQ was to remain what it was, and take 1K as they intended. We'd be talking of a much different map today, but we'd still have the big rivalry that Regenesis and Equinox were meant to have.

It's not our fault TWs are boring, sorry. We didn't split Equinox. We didn't create IT. We certainly didn't make IT leaders and half its core quit. It's all the sum of silly little mistakes that their past/current leaders made or allowed their members to make, that gives you the map we have today. Sadly, it's the map you deserve.

Kind of on a related note. TW isn't over. Ganks are still a very valid option to take Regenesis down. Tomorrrow's 3 way defense is incredibly hard. A few of us won't be able to be here, a few of us are still making a comeback. I expect a very challenging Saturday even if I wont be able to take part of it

And I still read this forums, I just dont always post b:shutup

Oh for the love of Statler and Waldorf of the Muppets, will ya people leave the Regen alone already? Geez, I mean where the **** is that endlesspy son of ***** who cooked up all this mess. I wanna strangle him like a... Tiderborn Traitor b:angry

Andres - Dreamweaver wrote: »

(i just left the picture in the quote, cause i fell for it...so eh yeah)

Anyway even tho i dont have a high opinion about you Andres (as you about me :P yeah, we german suck at "beat around the bush" and my appologize for beeing that blunt...), i totally agree with you b:surrender Regen is defently not to blame for the current situation as it was most likely EQs and ITs private fight, that caused the whole problem in the first place.
Yet, i never saw IT go against EQ in TW only out of personal interest (Aubree is defently not that dumb anyway to fight EQ just cause they been ganking).
I dont think it was other way around for EQ tho. Way to obvious, that they tried to wipe them off the map.

I just dont think that Regen is that innocent as you say. It seemed like Regen wasnt that happy to see suddenly a faction that could turtle them 3hrs full TW. The "famaly picture" got probably a crack on their pride and "harmony". The fight between IT and EQ was more than welcome to Regen.
To me it seemed like IT and EQ been pointing with the guns at eachother and Regen said: shoot.
(so no directly their fault, cause you dont shot the messenger :P)

I just dont see why everyone sees Regen as bad guy yet, just cause they taking over the map. Its not like they gonna kick 30% of their players just to have a good TW.

I doubt Regen will have a problem with gank tomorrow anyway. They will lose max 1 Land. They will win one land today tho. What suprised me the most, that spades suddenly decided to go for Regen O_O

Now as for other factions...lets be realistic. Does EQ deserve the help? IMO, no. Is there any other way to stop Regen from taking over the map than ganking? Most likely not. Alone due the reason that PWI has less and less new players and more alts, there wont be enough new players to establish a new strong faction.
I think IT is the best example what happens to the current playerbase anyway. They quit in groups and there are not enough new players to fill the gap..just alts and more alts.

Andres - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not Regenesis fault that the server can't get their **** together. I know now, better than anyone, that we too have the same problem any other faction does. I bet my reasons for leaving Regenesis were not so different from the reasons that those that made IT had. Yet we were all able to humble out and get to an agreement, once we cooled our minds.

Regenesis could've been stopped in numerous occasions, but the idea of the faction (not the name, not the logo, not the color) can't be destroyed. I see little difference between the Calamity BB led when I rejoined in April 2010, to the Regenesis he leads now. If the core decides to continue the faction or to make a new one. So long the idea remains, the success behind it remains.

this ^ exactly. This server does the complete uber backward of tw stragety ive seen ever. Both times when i was Equinox and Intandem where we were trying to stop Calamity/Regenesis from taking over the map. While 3rd/4th/5th strongest factions would just watch and do nothing, and then later realize "oh b:cry its my turn" .. what you think was gonna happen they were just gonna not attack your faction? lol usually by then its too late anyway, they recruited and absorbed most of the high lvl/active, best geared twers from other factions. b:laugh

except this time we put a red carpet, and threw flowers for them on their way to 1 colour map by ganking the faction that was in their way (IT) lol

RedBaroness - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Basically... Dreamweaver is full of idiots lol. In a way myself included, for sticking around.

Let's face a simple fact here, and cut through all the b/s about familes and love and happiness and when you get past all that **** you can see that the faction with the most active and well geared members is going to win. Period.

There's all this talk about "IT could never survive because they're all bad people they don't like rules and they kick puppies bla bla bla keep going" tyvm shutup now, please. The reason that IT fell apart is because they people that formed it (Aubree goonz bobo jami fishie joey... zero and jami both half afk from game now...)all packed up and left PWI, and the reason for THAT is because of how naive this server is, was, and always will be.

I just want to ask a question to any EQ or BootyCamp members out there that actually want to see more than one faction on the map. What did you think was going to happen? InTandem had and has it's many faults, so what? We lost a land to Regen every week, and whatever people may say, that's not their fault. It's yours. And I've got to give you props, at the end of the day InTandem fell from grace partly because of your actions, but now what? If any of you HONESTLY think that Regen will ever lose to YOU then you are dreaming lol. Maybe InTandem wasn't strong enough to take Regen's land, but with help, maybe they might of been. We'll never know, because whatever you tell yourself to help you sleep at night fact of the matter is it was those two factions that successfully "ruined" TW for this server.

Please, please, pleasepleaseplease stop all this **** talking about anything that isn't related here, noone cares whose a family faction, noone cares who wants land and for what, and by noone i mean me, NOONE CARES ANYMORE. Regen has this server by the balls, again, and that is testament to how strong they really are. This isn't a 1980s si-fi film, they aren't strong because they love each other or some b/s, they're strong because they have the best collection of players in both skill and gear in the game.

There was a time when I thought this rogue faction, InTandem, could against all odds pull together anyone that was willing to help whether they be misfit, unknown, or bored, and stop Calamity painting it red again. Clearly there wasn't another single TW faction on server that ever wanted that, because noone tried to help. So stop god damn complaining lol.

Look on the bright side. When they wipe every faction off again maybe they'll form another faction and we can try again?

Madison, when you come into IT vent and ask us to gank with you, I think you're pathetic. You made you bed, now lay in it. As far as I'm concerned IT is done with Regen now. We had our walk on the wild side and we got lost and most of us died.

I have a healthy respect for Regen's urge to kill things, in fact I like it. I was there once, I liked that as well, it just didn't have anything to offer me, there was no CHALLENGE! There'll probably never be challenge for them ever again and I think that is sad, a collection of players and good as that deserves someone they can struggle against, but that someone no longer exists.

When the dust as settled and the map is brown, whose up for a cup of tea at mine and we can dream about how good the old times were? It's the closest anyone will ever get to stopping this badass **** steam train - dreaming.

1. Just a bit of friendly advice, that I am fairly sure will get ignored, which is perfectly fine. Tone it down a bit on the idiot commentary, even if YOU truly believe it's true, you wont win friends, (not that I am saying you are here for friends) nor a polite sensible comment/rebuttal to your statements, but perhaps that is what your after to get a passionate speech in return so that... that someone can perhaps prove you wrong.

2. While being friends obviously isn't going to make every faction survive and be able to beat regenesis in 2-4 weeks... well in my honest opinion neither will the attitude of a majority of the people that formed IT/gave the OLD Eq a bad 'rep' on the server. No one likes to back those that annoy/anger them. (I do believe that is why Equinox got little to no help when it attacked Calamity, and history was doomed to repeat itself when they made Intandem.) That is hardly naive-ness, I certainly wouldn't want to throw myself in front of someone I didn't particularly care for, in order to 'protect them from/'defeat the person I do care about. (which is indeed able to be applied for the aforementioned faction.

Obviously the attitude that the old EQ had, and IT had, won them no friends, nor allies except the few that truly did NOT want calamity/regen to paint the map a single color, but so many felt way too repulsed by way too many people in Intandem to lift a single finger to help, whether it was with words, or pure power.

(I am not saying that the attitude/bad rep IT had, is the sole reason that you all failed to get supporters, but one does have to wonder how anyone could begin to fathom that they would get help, after calling others idiots, or cowards, sure by doing nothing we may be just that, but hell I for one would rather be called that, than some of the names I have seen a lot of IT's members be called, albeit sometimes rather uncalled for by my perception.)

TEMPL/R - Dreamweaver wrote: »

this ^ exactly. This server does the complete uber backward of tw stragety ive seen ever. Both times when i was Equinox and Intandem where we were trying to stop Calamity/Regenesis from taking over the map. While 3rd/4th/5th strongest factions would just watch and do nothing, and then later realize "oh b:cry its my turn" .. what you think was gonna happen they were just gonna not attack your faction? lol usually by then its too late anyway, they recruited and absorbed most of the high lvl/active, best geared twers from other factions. b:laugh

except this time we put a red carpet, and threw flowers for them on their way to 1 colour map by ganking the faction that was in their way (IT) lol

I can't speak for the other factions, but as I pointed out to redbaron, I seriously doubt their attitude won them any ally/friends to help them take 'down' regen/cala.

I also know this, that IF the number 2,3,4 did manage to wrestle a land from calamity when they had all the map, all cala/regen had to do/will have to do is wait 1 week, attack the faction that won against them in a gank, and bam their land is back in their (regen's) hands. That is a really reasonable conclusion/assumption to make, 1 on 1, even when equinox was at it's strongest... as well as when Intandem was at it's strongest, Regensis/Calamity is still by far the favorite to win, every-time I seen someone win against Regen, or Calamity it is, and always will be a surprise until something drastically changes. (Albeit Calamity is no more, it would still surprise me to see them back in TW action. ;X)

Though as you, and other members have stated, anything could happen if the right person gets the right people together to make a faction work, and perhaps one day become the new powerhouse.

....

The stuff about "not wanting, the map to be painted 1 color" is merely a goal by many people, and that alone is not going to get everyone with that goal in a single faction to make sure that doesn't happen. Treat your members, an others... as that old saying goes... as you would like to be treated. I am sure many of you wouldn't like it if I/others started speaking badly about you or your inactivity's. (There truly is more to it, then just fighting for a goal, there is after all people behind each character that have real feelings, and do tend to do exactly what they want, despite the prods/negative comments others make towards them about their 'specific' group of people.) Now don't get me wrong, I am certainly not saying that what the rest of the server is doing is helping to prevent that goal from coming to fruition. Hell, who is to say that the rest of the server even cares to see the server being painted one color again. (In order for the gank's to happen, sometimes the goals of each faction have to coincide enough to actually make a dent... perhaps more likely a scratch into that armor that regen is wearing.) Simply stating that others should have the same goal, and do what you want, is quite frankly not going to make 'your' goal(s) come to pass.

Obviously the negative comments about it's all the rest of the server fault, and they should get off their ***** and help attack regensis is simply just not working, sure regen, and others have high hopes with the fight that will happen later tonight, but I am damn near willing to bet that if these 3 factions do attack, and are badly whipped, they will retreat to lick their wounds, and probably wont pounce back out anytime soon at all.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Have to STRONGLY disagree here. I dont know where you got your info from, but EQ did never had such as bad rep as you seem to show here.
Actually they had many supporters back then as they have now (Temptest, Dyna, etc). They tried to gank with EQ to prevent one color map.


In fact baron is right on one side: The faction didnt fall apart, cause of its bad reputation. Thats just people love to believe, since they said from the start it happens due this and that.

On the other hand, IT never tried to make friends. Sure, they offered few factions an alliance but i know they got declined because other factions didnt want any Drama with EQ nor with Regen. So it was not because they had a bad rep or because noone else wanted to back them up, they just been s***ting in their pants. Some even said..let me quote: "I'm waiting till IT or EQ gets wiped, so i can join one of them. But now i dont want any trouble with EQ AND REGEN".

I marked red on purpose, cause their little conversations were well known. Especially since you saw Madison running back and forward to BB/Andres.

On the side note: EQ had back than more supporters than now, after aubree and all the "bad" people left the faction. ijs.

Don't mean to point out just one thing, but believe me they did have (have being the keyword) a less than... noteworthy round about way about them that turned SOME people away from them, and even caused turmoil amongst them in faction, and even here on these forums, which I unfortunately played a part in, as that old saying no one can be liked by everyone, and you shouldn't have to look hard nor far to see some of the hate that EQ once had. (There was constant hate towards the old Eq members when I had it out with the person I didn't like, perhaps not as much as the hate IT had, but it definitely was there, perhaps you weren't playing then, chose not to remember it, or hell perhaps you did the smart thing and formed your own opinion, and ignored all the 'drama' that people had with Eq.

I am sorry that my words implied that aubree/the old eq didn't have their supporters, but it is clear to me, and several... perhaps many others that their alliance didn't hold together well enough to really put a wall up in front of calamity, sure there was a time where Equniox put up one hell of a resistance, albeit with a lot of help, but once calamity got back on track there was no stopping them. As for what reasons the those alliances' fell apart... exactly... well I could come up with a couple of theories as to why they may have fallen apart, but they would have been just that, theories.

I also didn't mean to imply that the only reason people didn't join the 'fight' with IT to take down regen was because of the bad public relations IT has with the server, as I pointed out earlier or tried too, not every faction that has the ability to help IT in it's goal, is willing to get slaughtered just so IT has a slightly better chance at winning, and people can only take so much of the beating before they see fit that it would just be better to pull out of the alliance, and let IT fend for itself, for the simple reason that they feel that it is in the best interest of their faction, whether it be because they got their fill of the constant insults that numerous people have about IT, or they just did it to protect their faction from feeling like they are being used, or even just to rebuild because they lost their members for a goal, they aren't so steadfast about.

One more thing, it obviously is not the sole reason why IT fell apart believe me I know that, but to believe that their hate/repulsive attitudes towards many players on this server didn't play at least some kind of role in their eventual down fall would be asinine. (People that share the same goal, are often turned away by the reputation that the "strong one's" with the same goal... have) Some people that perhaps could have done something to help strengthen certain factions as a whole, (and not just through sheer brute force, but through words, and reflection) see what kind of treatment most people have gotten with a certain faction over their head, and go "hell, no... no thanks, good luck with your faction take care, and cya" more likely they wont even apply.

Bah I pretty much reiterated everything I said in my previous post. << Hope this one is a bit more... clear. =x

Maybe you guys should stop typing text walls (lovers tiff?) to each other and prepare yourselves and/or your members for TW. Bark and Bite, or nibble whatever.

Maybe a marketing campaign in game to attract some good members (I remember Instyle girls flouting themselves to attract male members, dirty b***es)

Besides Ich bin ein Kartoffel (damn could never tell if I spelt it correctly)

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

:P Unfortunatly you didnt read my text properly.
I said: "EQ did never had such as bad rep as you seem to show here." That means not that they didnt had any bad reputation at all. They had as any other faction their supporters and enemies. You made EQ look like without any supporters at all and most hated on the map. Which was never the case.
The people who turned away from them?..hmm..Dyna still with them. Temptest been with them, till the map got resetted. Who are you trying to imply? Do you mean what Ds said back then? You do know its all bulls, right? It has a reason why noone gives a banana about his opinion.

I know that 8 people in IT left cause of its "No-Rules" and reputation. However that doesnt make the core of the faction. They usually all left with a big speech and they moved just from IT forum to this forum. Nothing new.
Most of them, and let me quote again, said this: "I'm fed up of joining a squad and getting a treatment cause i m in IT". So basicly noone in the faction did any harm to them, however cause OTHERS treatend him, he left. I went to ask him why he got treatend and he answered "i asked same and they just said everyone hates IT"
Now, lets say that was really an issue of IT, they lacked solidarity and social envirement. Thats why it was rather easier to leave the faction, than to ignore all the rumors. Yes, i'm saying rumors, cause if you ever followed the threads you will see few of Ds. He tried to apply to IT, got rejected and had to do his rant (thats where i actually lost my last respect of him).
One guy mentioned "i saw on wc today IT steals drops". On the question who stole the drop: No response, only a vague answer. On the argument, that it was a drama about a "won" pk-drop, noone really cared xD It was still "stealing drops". You see, people just point their fingers at others. I was in another faction and heard what others said about IT. Fact is not ONE of them actually said the whole truth. Even if i showed them screenshots they just shut up and started all over on next day, thinking i was offline. They had finally a story to tell..i would have just ruined it?
Not to mention, that those who did cause the most drama about IT on worldchat, applied on next day in IT.

I actually ended on several peoples blacklist, cause i dared to say "Grats IT" in world chat. One of the reasons why i supported them even more

Meh I don't think either of us are getting our points across, part of what happened between me and Equniox was my fault, but believe me I wasn't the only one fed up with how things were being done/ran by Ajay in equinox, I wasn't the only one, if you really believe it was just me... then you either have bad info, or as I said earlier did not care enough to take sides. (I was in equinox for a bit, I am sure they removed the posts that caused the... problems)

I understand what you are saying, but the simple fact is that there is more then just a couple, or even one person who has had problems with the then EQ, and the now IT. I guess what I am trying to say is that it is not just me, who has had a past with them, some bad, some good. Though one has to question each factions 'reputation' (which as stated before, does have the unfortunate side effect of turning SOME people away) when there is multiple people who have had problems with a certain faction over their head; however, it truly is sad/hard to fathom that so many people group an entire faction up with the... numerous people that aren't liked. (I do apologize if I came across, like everyone in IT/the old Eq were bad apples, but that simply is not the case.) I do appreciate the fact that EQ wasn't all bad, or even as bad as I guess I unfortunately came across earlier. They just like any faction at that time, that past, and in the future will have their bad members, and their "good" ones. I do know that eq wasn't hated by all, and that is the same case about Intandem, but there really was multiple people who voiced their concerns about the ... dealings the then Eq had with the rest of the (edit: Server), and it didn't change when they moved to Intandem.

Also believe me I realize that IT, has their as zaeh put it, their bad apples, and good apples, unfortunately for them it seemed to help prevent new people from joining, which is also pretty much what you said as well.

I guess I need to go into more depth, what I meant about their alliances not holding well enough to put up a wall that truly prevented Calamity from taking over. There ganks were successful up until the return of coin, (if I remember correctly) and yes it has survived quite a bit; however, the fact remains something either changed in one or both factions that caused that alliance to falter enough to no longer become a factor towards calamity. (perhaps it was calamity that changed just enough to take over the map.) Whatever the case, I am afraid we have gotten caught up a bit in the past. ;/ To me it (edit: in the end it...) seemed more like a mud wall, that caused Calamity to beat down other factions like they are bugs. ... That may be a bad analogy, but the point is that something changed, somewhere that caused the gank to become rather ineffective.

One more thing, before I go, and hopefully I won't get any replies that will cause me to post again anytime soon, as even writing these wall of texts takes it toll on me especially when tired. =x

Anyways what you say is true, way too many people take 'sides' when not hearing the full story, but my... past with EQ is what gives me this perspective, not the words someone else has said/stated over world chats. (I understand, that each story has two sides, and that in their eyes they were right, simply because they were the last standing, not to mention that they both have survived quite a bit, and for quite some time, but I still stand by what I said to ajay/about eq. My opinion is still that... the old eq when I was in it, obviously could have done a few things differently, they didn't, but hey it worked for them long after I left.) Good for them.

...

Either way this blame game is getting rather old, the simple fact is that we ALL could have done certain things differently to prevent a single faction from taking over the entire map, but alas no one has done anything, that causes everyone to come together with that goal to come together and truly achieve that goal, and I can't really see anything changing anytime soon to prevent the same outcome, that we once had.

Then again maybe I am wrong, perhaps something will change and regen will no longer be the powerhouse.