Vs High Level Seekers

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

_Leif - Lost City wrote: »

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So you've gone from the standard tinny e-peen arguement of "PVP SERVER!" to "Omg's kill count!"

Oh no, my post count is high! Almost all of my kills are on rank9 or g 15/+11-12 rank 8 toons, because sanctuary is the server of CS. My bm had +5 average refines for most of the 2 months i bothered going into pk on it.

w/o stealth theres a 30 second window in a sins tidal, and when you consider geni antistuns (AD/Fortify should be the absolute minimum) i dont see why you would kite unless they immune, you dont have OI so may as well just 51% hp PD glitch Subsea BR. In any extended fight your pretty well screwed w/o the stealth cooldown time.

As for why i dont consider seekers to be legitimate threats at low refines? They dont hit hard enough, and they're entirely reliant on gear for survivability. This means all geni spots on a good seeker would be taken by antistuns/reductions skills/heals/movement buffs. So spark is almost required to kill 1v1 on an equaly refined target. Combine this with long control skill colldowns and you have a class that 100% needs CS gear to pvp, and by pvp i mean faceroll.

Race ethic/religious group/sexual preferance throw w/e one offends you most in there.

The reason I kite is BECAUSE THEY IMMUNE. I can't believe you just recommended crit glitch > subsea > bramble rage... while also mentioning that sins are screwed in drawn out 1v1s because they're unable to spam stealth. Beforehand I thought maybe you were just an ******* cash shopper that had an idea how to pvp , but now I can tell you're just mentally ****.

Finally, I never said seekers were good with bad gear / low refines. ALL endgame classes suck unless they're stacked in event gear. Of course you wouldn't consider a +3 seeker to be a threat, I wouldn't consider ANY +3 char to be a threat to you in pvp.

I can't tell if you're trolling me, or if you've just charged so much zen that you don't understand the mechanics of the game anymore because most of your arguments are either nonsensical or just outright wrong...

Done with this thread b:bye

lol this thread makes me lul. It's kind of pointless to say this skill> that skill>the other skill = dead. There's countless possibilities either class could do to make me think there's a magic combo of skills that ends in victory every time. my seekers only 96 and his gear is kinda crappy. but from what ive learned from messin around on Pk fields Id say BMs and one of the easiest classes to kill. Clerics can be hard if you can 1 shot em, sins ONLY have a chance if they have the DPS to back it up and even then theres deffinatly ways to counter em. I'd have to say the hardest class to take down as a seeker is a wiz, they have good def on both sides of the fence and hit your HA hard.

madrith wrote: »

<-- is posting to say how much fun i had reading this forum pages 1-10 and the giant argument between perses and yan was hilarious! BTW gf perses XD.

PLEASE CONTINUE THESE KINDS OF FORUMS I READING THEM!!!

it helps me notice more weaknesses of some classes I didn't know before. Thanks PW Forum and all who inhabit it Peace, Love, Madrith

Lol, same b:chuckle
id rather read through threads like these before i start PKing (havent been playing for very long) so that ill actually have an idea of what im doing instead of making a fool of myself by using random attacks, thanks guys b:victory

yeah theyre kinda hard to kill. QQ

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

How are they hard to kill? You never killed a Marrowless BM before Jone's blessing?

b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle

Mordvin - Harshlands wrote: »

I must say, I was rooting for Perses, but when I saw how he/she got served...I lol'd

Also I agree with Madrith and Forsaken...good read for some info hehe (haven't been playing too long either)

just wanted to revive this a bit since _Perses_ decided to give me another fight and failed gank, now she has nirvanna + 10 or wotever claws. 200 damage a hit ....max.

bm's like _Perses_ think they are so good and look down upon others deserved to get rolled over again and again. until they roll into a new character, maybe sin :P

yan00 wrote: »

just wanted to revive this a bit since _Perses_ decided to give me another fight and failed gank, now she has nirvanna + 10 or wotever claws. 200 damage a hit ....max.

bm's like _Perses_ think they are so good and look down upon others deserved to get rolled over again and again. until they roll into a new character, maybe sin :P

Hum....you know I never even bothered to look at this topic after our fight, not because of shame or anything but because of the harassment....but meh.

time to correct you.


Damage Log:

YanX takes 534 damage
YanX takes 723 damage
etc.
etc.



And gank you dude....wtf? Are you so f-in stupid now that you try to blame everything on my bm? Dear god.


Weapon Used: Nirvana - Windpour +7

You ganked me every single time I came outta safe zone (went after you a total of 3 times). Each time it was with some r8/r9/NV 1st/2nd cast sin. So please dude, if your gonna try and trash talk me at least get your ****ing facts straight.



Peace~

Where everyone dream of 1 hit seeker b:puzzled

How abt you guys just duel each other in vendor eq? That will be a more accurate representation of player skill i bet.

Sesshomaru - Lothranis wrote: »

And btw aps is good, but even a good wiz with charm and AD can escape. Sins are OP, but so squishy, a few blows will finish them, which explains why in group pvp, tw, they do not do well. )

I was trying to take your post seriously and then you went and said this.... *sigh*

Okeano, the reason why you can't find any Seekers on HL who are a challenge for your BM is because there are nearly no Seekers on our server that are "well-geared." And by this I mean near full Nirvana. For some reason all of the Seekers on our server seem to be obsessed with R8, even though it's terrible in terms of damage output compared to Nirv dual blades (although Nirv is a lot more costly), unless you're going for APS, which is a bit laughable anyway. But I guarantee you that if there were a Seeker who knew what he was doing and had gear equivalent to your BM's, the fight would not be nearly as easy as you it seems you think it would be. Put on a TT90 set and some Deicides with mediocre refines and fight me. Or find me a TT90 BM around my level that you think would suffice, if you'd rather.
Regardless, Seeker vs BM is not a "fair" fight by any circumstances. BMs try to stun lock and APS to death, Seekers kite and spam heartseeker to immobilize and attempt to keep up edged blur when their genie is in cooldown to discourage close range. Edged blur hits through stuns and silences, so it doesn't make a difference; at that point you either keep your distance and allow me to spam more ranged attacks or you take a lot of metal damage anyway. And don't tell me that edged blur doesn't do enough damage; I'm not a full strength Seeker but I can kill an uncharmed 16k HP Barb in less than the twelve seconds it takes for edged to finish if they don't run from my triple sparked edged blur.
And looking back at prior posts from this topic, a lot of you overestimate a Sin's damage. Sure, an R9 Sin may be able to get through 20k HP relatively quickly, but the average R8 Sin can't. I can kill R8 Sins who have +3-4 refines on armor and +6 or less on their R8/Nirvana second cast dagger. This is with only my buffs. When I'm fully buffed (cleric, BM, Barb) I usually don't get killed by Sins unless they're +10 with crazy APS or someone attacks me while near everything is in cooldown.
And for those Sins who are +10 R8/Nirv, they're normally hitting me for 1k or near it, and I only have 7.3k physical defense and fifty defense levels with O'Malley's. If you want to see a glimpse of what your damage will be like when people start putting a lot of money into/being smarter with their Seeker's gear, go and test your demon spark APS damage on Subterranean (for those of you on HL). Although he only has the R8 sword, the rest of his gear is pretty good.
Also, the reason YanX talked so highly of our 25 meter 8 second immobilize skill, it's because it's one of a Seeker's most important skills in PvP when it comes to kiting APS classes, or even just being steady at keeping your distance when you need to. And for Sins it's a lifesaver. Lol, it's always funny to heartseeker and immobilize a Sin, Arme Nier for quite a bit of physical damage, then watch them stealth before you run to the spot where they were immobilized and used edged blur. Now they're forced out of stealth and probably have very little HP left, and if they try to APS you to death they'll die from edged, whereas if they try to run you can just lock gemini on them and hope it doesn't miss/hit for 1, in which case the whole process starts over again as they stealth and prepare to attack you again.
Edit: I don't fight BMs THAT much, but literally nearly fight Sins all day, and if you're smart with your skills as a Seeker and/or know how to play your class, they aren't difficult. I can only imagine how easy R8 Sins will be once I have my Nirv set. :<
Second Edit: @Divine/Okeano, If you want to buy better Seekers, please donate to me. 8D I'd love some help getting money for Nirvana; it's not easy to CS/farm a lot when you're fifteen and can't get a job yet.