Mystics replacing Clerics?
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people are still afraid to go with on lowbie FC with mystic only as their main heal.
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Clerics are superb when healing a single player who is taking massive damage that would normally 3-4 hit him/her or is getting debuffed constantly to an extent where just healing is no longer an option. Mystics are great when it comes to keeping the party alive from moderate to high damage... you can't tank a World Boss with a mystic backing you up but they can definitely keep the party alive throughout FC (even when purify is "needed").0
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ChaRacteNaM - Archosaur wrote: »Most of the times Mistic is better as a main healer because pw is a reeeeeally easy game and with a mystic you do faster, it's so simple.
95% of the time you dont need skills like Stream of Rejuvenation, Purify and Plume Shell, is a fact.
Obvious...especially for pvp and a few instances cleric is necessary, it carries the best support skills e usually has more survivability.
I think is bizarre Break in the Clouds to be better(a lot) than Blessing of the Purehearted. It doesnt make sense.
can i take a hit off whatever yer smokin please? a mistic, is a better healer? no, hell no, clerics are the main healers, mystics are just a backup healer class. they have to high of an mp consumption in comparison to clerics, and clerics have both more, and more powerful healing skills. their pet's damage abzorbtion skill is a nerfed version of blue bubble. clerics are better at healing in every way.
mystics were put in to backup everyone, but not to be a specialist in anything. they're a jack of all trades. they're crappy venos, crappy clerics, and crappy wizards, all roled up into a playable decent class. i thought everyone had gotten this through their heads by now, i mean, this topic has only been done to death a thousand times.
mystics will never be able to replace a cleric's healing power, especially since healing power is based on magic attack, and clerics have a buff that increases their magic attack by 70%. i mean, seriously, my light armor cleric will probly have more healing power than a mystic at end game, just because of that buff.
even if the game could use mystics as a main source of healing, clerics would still be able to do it better. clerics are currently the main healers on the game, i won't say that they will always be, i mean, i imagine that in the future one of the things pwi will do as it adds classes is add a melee healer class, similar to a paladin, or atleast anouther healer class in general (i'd prefer anouther main tanker first, but thats irrellivent atm) so its possible that clerics will not aways be the only main healer class.
however, due to the fact that clerics came first, it's more than likely that throughout the rest of the game's activity, they will most likely be the main healers of the game, forever. (ex: seekers can tank, but barbs are considerably, and undisputable;y better tankers)
there's the simple truth, ya may not like it, but ya still gotta deal with it O.o0 -
To put it in a simple way, Mystics can't nor never repace Clerics.... but a Mystic + Cleric in sqaud + ??? = PROFIT. b:victory
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Why do people keep dredging this up? They do OK in some instances, but the majority of the time the cleric is still the obviously better choice. Mystics can't BB, which means they can't replace us in TT instances, RB, or FF in at level squad. They can't consistently heal or do it over time, like with IH, so there that's about 99% of the time when in a squad. They have no purify skill which is absolutely necessary in certain FB/BH dungeons, TT, and random bosses (World Bosses included). The cleric is a non-replaceable member of a squad, except in those freak of nature Plvling and Nirv squads.0
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When i talked mystic have better healing power?Pryernacht - Raging Tide wrote: »can i take a hit off whatever yer smokin please? a mistic, is a better healer? no, hell no, clerics are the main healers, mystics are just a backup healer class. they have to high of an mp consumption in comparison to clerics, and clerics have both more, and more powerful healing skills. their pet's damage abzorbtion skill is a nerfed version of blue bubble. clerics are better at healing in every way.
mystics were put in to backup everyone, but not to be a specialist in anything. they're a jack of all trades. they're crappy venos, crappy clerics, and crappy wizards, all roled up into a playable decent class. i thought everyone had gotten this through their heads by now, i mean, this topic has only been done to death a thousand times.
mystics will never be able to replace a cleric's healing power, especially since healing power is based on magic attack, and clerics have a buff that increases their magic attack by 70%. i mean, seriously, my light armor cleric will probly have more healing power than a mystic at end game, just because of that buff.
even if the game could use mystics as a main source of healing, clerics would still be able to do it better. clerics are currently the main healers on the game, i won't say that they will always be, i mean, i imagine that in the future one of the things pwi will do as it adds classes is add a melee healer class, similar to a paladin, or atleast anouther healer class in general (i'd prefer anouther main tanker first, but thats irrellivent atm) so its possible that clerics will not aways be the only main healer class.
however, due to the fact that clerics came first, it's more than likely that throughout the rest of the game's activity, they will most likely be the main healers of the game, forever. (ex: seekers can tank, but barbs are considerably, and undisputable;y better tankers)
there's the simple truth, ya may not like it, but ya still gotta deal with it O.o
Obvious he doesn't, is far away. But have support power enough to do for majority of this game, so is a best option for most instances if the player is good enough to give support and attack at same time, even at early levels.
This is because PW ia a very unbalanced and easy game, a game where most of the times you don't necessarily need clerics and a barbs, the devs think a lot about damage, damage, damage...at the end game
you have so much atk power that you can do a lot of things alone, something stupid for a mmo.0 -
Well yeah, but as a cleric you can't think about your end-game aps sh.t
We are saved from these childish battles like
-"owow who has more aps???"
like:
-"owow my Dad's better then yours, but not really."
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As a cleric... actually you can't think about your end-game because clerics are really flexible in the meaning, you can sacrifice your magic attack if you want more HP, (just like I do) and you can get HP with armor too if you wanna have beasty magic attack.
Basically in my opinion, clerics are healers, in TW we need heals, debuffs, stun skills, and if we need to protect squad members with attack, then plume shot lvl 10 with a good weapon and done.
Mystics? Good joke. As the lvl ~35? wrote, good mixture of veno&cleric&wiz. Nothing actual use of them. The way I see. Only the way I see.
Anyway, any benefit of having a mystic in Territory War?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
The Mystic won't replace the cleric as a main healer in a squad. As a clerics variety of heals and heals in general are better. And why compare Break in the Clouds to Blessing of the purehearted. BoTP is is never used anyway.Akaichan - Raging Tide wrote: »Anyway, any benefit of having a mystic in Territory War?
I can see some benefits. Mainly revolving around their res buff.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Pryernacht - Raging Tide wrote: »i mean, seriously, my light armor cleric will probly have more healing power than a mystic at end game, just because of that buff.
Um, wtf? a LA cleric with a buff at endgame is not going have more healing power than a mystic considering especially if the mystic was pure magic.
LA cleric endgame vs pure magic mystic endgame...
cleric http://pwcalc.com/5aa9ef1d589aa23c
mystic pure build http://pwcalc.com/dee8a86eba27d76d
that mystic has over 1000 more magic attack than that cleric and it isn't buffed.
unless that mystic has over 50 base vit, they will have more healing power than a LA cleric endgame, without your magic buff.
I know you said "probably", but you are wrong. I'm not saying a mystic's heal better, but we are a very viable asset to a squad, and we make the cleric's job a lot easier.
A good mystic is a cleric's best friend.0 -
XMiyala - Dreamweaver wrote: »Um, wtf? a LA cleric with a buff at endgame is not going have more healing power than a mystic considering especially if the mystic was pure magic.
LA cleric endgame vs pure magic mystic endgame...
cleric http://pwcalc.com/5aa9ef1d589aa23c
mystic pure build http://pwcalc.com/dee8a86eba27d76d
that mystic has over 1000 more magic attack than that cleric and it isn't buffed.
unless that mystic has over 50 base vit, they will have more healing power than a LA cleric endgame, without your magic buff.
I know you said "probably", but you are wrong. I'm not saying a mystic's heal better, but we are a very viable asset to a squad, and we make the cleric's job a lot easier.
A good mystic is a cleric's best friend.
That would be true, but it really depends on gear and refines. Also, IH stacks so even if you start out with a weaker heal, if you had sage IH it could compensate for that. But I agree I'm sick of this competition BS, I love running with mystics. They are very helpful to help in squad when **** hits the fan. I really especially love that rez buff.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I almost broke my nose facepalming at some of the comments in this topic. And tbh I can't find the wording necessary to make any major comments of my own sound like anything other than intense flaming. So I'll just say this...
Cleric's aren't irreplaceable. Just because squads WANT us doesn't necessarily mean they NEED us. And if you think otherwise you're setting yourself up for a harsh reality check down the line. >.>0 -
VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »That would be true, but it really depends on gear and refines. Also, IH stacks so even if you start out with a weaker heal, if you had sage IH it could compensate for that. But I agree I'm sick of this competition BS, I love running with mystics. They are very helpful to help in squad when **** hits the fan. I really especially love that rez buff.
That's true. Besides, I meant the healing power that comes from your magic attack. I know IH stacks will heal more over time, but LA still makes for weaker heals, regardless of being a cleric or mystic.0 -
XMiyala - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's true. Besides, I meant the healing power that comes from your magic attack. I know IH stacks will heal more over time, but LA still makes for weaker heals, regardless of being a cleric or mystic.
True enough.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Jetsa - Lost City wrote: »Okay, so I was catching up on news following the latest patch that was released today. In the section about Mystic skills, I came across this,
"This visually stunning skill is an AoE heal that recovers the HP of all group members within 18 meters of the caster. It, along with various single-target heals as well as a ressurect spell, make the Mystic an extremely useful ally to have at your side."
Does this anger anyone as much as it does me? So basically, Mystics are going to become a mixure of a Psychic and a Cleric. So there's no use for Clerics anymore.
I love my Cleric, and I will never stop playing on that character. But it really pisses me off that they're making the classes so similar.
Eventually, Clerics will be useless.
Thoughts?
I think clerics are best healers in pwi everyone wants clerics first then mystics if clerics are all hiding or afk or something..but im worryed about psychic because in pwi wiki reads Damage almost equivalent to that of Psychic's O_o but my friend said if someone wants DD they prefer wizard or psychic so mystics are just more help in partys not taking any cleric or psychic away from there
And Mystics arent clerics etc weird they are DD/DPS too that reads in pwi wiki so its useless to compare mystics to clerics cause they arent clerics! And if some peoples likes play with cleric mystic or psychic its their choice its stupid to come argue about what race or class is better or bad.... if you have bad class or race dont complain change your race and class then.. And let other peoples play with their own classes/races in peace
that is what i think about this....*facepalm*0 -
Good mystics are replacing crappy clerics.
If you suck as a cleric, chances are a mystic might make a squad much happier.
That being said, there are situations where they're highly recommended like for rebirth. Cleric sits in BB for the entirety of waves 3-9/LM, doing chrome and possibly puri for wave 6+ bosses (including wave 4 sub boss) that continuously knock down BB. It's hard to say no to a good cleric, but certainly if one knows a good mystic and unsure of the cleric, mystic will get favoured.
People playing cleric as a main need not be concerned that the class will become obsolete, however, it will certainly weed out the many who get to 100+ and don't know **** about how to play a cleric.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Good mystics are replacing crappy clerics.
If you suck as a cleric, chances are a mystic might make a squad much happier.
That being said, there are situations where they're highly recommended like for rebirth. Cleric sits in BB for the entirety of waves 3-9/LM, doing chrome and possibly puri for wave 6+ bosses (including wave 4 sub boss) that continuously knock down BB. It's hard to say no to a good cleric, but certainly if one knows a good mystic and unsure of the cleric, mystic will get favoured.
People playing cleric as a main need not be concerned that the class will become obsolete, however, it will certainly weed out the many who get to 100+ and don't know **** about how to play a cleric.
Of course party takes mystic if some cleric sucks in party and if some blademasted suck in party they take other replace it LOL and its clear lol i dont get why you write suck clear things and thought they are news? XD LOL0 -
Besides your horrendous English, the mystic is a new class, therefore yes, comparing clerics to a new class = news. If you already knew this then simply find another post to reply to. I don't care whether or not this simple and very generalized opinion is already known by Cathyz, nor am I going to avoid posting it just because it might be something you know.Cathyz - Dreamweaver wrote: »Of course party takes mystic if some cleric sucks in party and if some blademasted suck in party they take other replace it LOL and its clear lol i dont get why you write suck clear things and thought they are news? XD LOL0 -
XMiyala - Dreamweaver wrote: »Um, wtf? a LA cleric with a buff at endgame is not going have more healing power than a mystic considering especially if the mystic was pure magic.
LA cleric endgame vs pure magic mystic endgame...
cleric http://pwcalc.com/5aa9ef1d589aa23c
mystic pure build http://pwcalc.com/dee8a86eba27d76d
that mystic has over 1000 more magic attack than that cleric and it isn't buffed.
unless that mystic has over 50 base vit, they will have more healing power than a LA cleric endgame, without your magic buff.
I know you said "probably", but you are wrong. I'm not saying a mystic's heal better, but we are a very viable asset to a squad, and we make the cleric's job a lot easier.
A good mystic is a cleric's best friend.
I think clerics are best healers in pwi everyone wants clerics first then mystics if clerics are all hiding or afk or something..but im worryed about psychic because in pwi wiki reads Damage almost equivalent to that of Psychic's O_o but my friend said if someone wants DD they prefer wizard or psychic so mystics are just more help in partys not taking any cleric or psychic away from there
And Mystics arent clerics etc weird they are DD/DPS too that reads in pwi wiki so its useless to compare mystics to clerics cause they arent clerics! And if some peoples likes play with cleric mystic or psychic its their choice its stupid to come argue about what race or class is better or bad.... if you have bad class or race dont complain change your race and class then.. And let other peoples play with their own classes/races in peace
that is what i think about this....*facepalm*
read facts before saying they are like clerics0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Besides your horrendous English, the mystic is a new class, therefore yes, comparing clerics to a new class = news. If you already knew this then simply find another post to reply to. I don't care whether or not this simple and very generalized opinion is already known by Cathyz, nor am I going to avoid posting it just because it might be something you know.
Im not from USA or any other english speaking country just let you know and there arent any problems in my english if you can read it..And i dont get peoples who start insult peoples about their english because many peoples cant even write it or read it and i had best number in english class and i write so fast so there can be some wrong letters or words i never said nothing like that to anyone if i understand what peoples are saying thats is good english to me
But i just wanted say that peoples doesnt know really how mystics works and what they should do and i was just saying what pwi says about mystics so its clear they arent clerics or nothing like that0 -
I can't believe this topic is still going on. Mystics didn't replace clerics. They allowed squads to have a healer when no cleric was available. Most MMOs have more than one healing class. PWI was going to add one sooner or later. The end.0
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Klizzahrd - Lost City wrote: »I can't believe this topic is still going on. Mystics didn't replace clerics. They allowed squads to have a healer when no cleric was available. Most MMOs have more than one healing class. PWI was going to add one sooner or later. The end.
YEA thats it end xD0 -
lmao. If "they aren't clerics or nothing like that," then why, praytell, am I always the only healer in BH/FC/Nirvy/Lunar/etc. runs, unless I want to DD? Sage mystic heals are okay enough to play cleric, and even has 25% purify. Falling petals works wonders too, especially for pulls and mobs. Plus, there are Salvation buffs that absorb a ton of damage for 45 seconds or more. And, with Rapid Growth, spam healing is no problem, and certainly saves lives. No, they're not going to replace clerics, and actually I love having clerics in squad for buffs, heals, and BB, but when it comes down to it, mystics have similar spells compared to clerics, and are designed to heal. They are not as powerful as clerics, but that's because they're not strictly a heal only class. But they are "something like clerics," not "nothing like that." And he didn't insult your English, he was merely pointing out your severe grammatical failings.Cathyz - Dreamweaver wrote: »Im not from USA or any other english speaking country just let you know and there arent any problems in my english if you can read it..And i dont get peoples who start insult peoples about their english because many peoples cant even write it or read it and i had best number in english class and i write so fast so there can be some wrong letters or words i never said nothing like that to anyone if i understand what peoples are saying thats is good english to me
But i just wanted say that peoples doesnt know really how mystics works and what they should do and i was just saying what pwi says about mystics so its clear they arent clerics or nothing like that0 -
Great. A stupid necro in a stupid topic that should have stayed dead.0
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