:O omg i said it

ValFera - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Okay i sort of agree with the OP on this, I feel Power leveling (and yes i have the time and patience to type the whole word out) is somewhat cheating. I would even apply this concept to those venomancer characters that spend days or weeks in room 4 of the cube to power level thier pets.

I started this game while it was in closed beta, the toon was 89 before the "original" bh system came out so yes i know there is a lot of grinding involved in this game.

I will admit that I did not power level to say but accelerated my leveling on my Assassin Alternate character as i used hyper experience stones while doing quests in the her 30s and 40s, and a few in her 70s. (She is 92 now by the way and enjoying the learning curve on her sage skills). On a side note i have made close to 12m in coin from drops from monsters while leveling my venomancer's pets in the real world (and she currently has 6, working on the turtle now).

Someone mentioned earlier that spirit was an issue, that is not the case spirit is still fine, but if you don't have an alternated high level character that can support your happy butt, or alot of spare case to turn into "gold" to sell, then you won't have COIN to be able to purchase your skills, which is where the grinding a questing comes in alot give coin as a reward and if you pick up your coin drops from killing the Monsters you will make money for skills. (this is the only point where Oracles were far suppior to Frost Covered City runs).

Now the real reason for all this powerleveling is becuase like the words in alot of the threads i read on the way to making this post.

PEOPLE ARE IN TOO BIG OF A HURRY TO GET SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING DONE.

It is basically the same issue that is happing with new RPG games for PC and Consoles, they are all developed for "Twitch Gamers" give me a new game that works like Final Fantasy 7-10 i would be overjoyed, but sadly it like people NOT power leveling is not going to happen.

Twitch - made new character.
Twitch - power leveled character to 90 - 101.
Twitch - bored with new character.
Twitch - delete new character.
Twitch - rinse and repeat.

The above was just for giggles maybe you can see my point. Does not matter to me personally but I wouold not do it myself does not see fun.

TWITCH b:laugh

Vincinator - Raging Tide · May 2011

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There are different kinds of powerlevel reasons, allow me to go through them one at a time. Ready? Go:

- First of all, the kind of powerlevel I hate the most is the one targeted towards newbies, those who really never played the game before... Why is that? Because they have been introduced to the game by their friends and are enticed/pushed/manipulated in getting levels as soon as possible so the newcomer and the veteran can quest together.

This is counterproductive and extremely dumb. Why? Because the charm of a new game is also for the newbies to discover all through difficulties...
Those who are given all on a silver platter, will only end frustrated when they are not helped (for various reasons), and only grow dependant and never appreciate the game (and possibly will end as noobs).
What is worse is when they have spent money in the game.
P.S.: At least there is FF in this game. I play another MMO and powerlevelers use mobs needed for quests to level their alts/friends... Stealing mobs I need before my very eyes... Ticks me off to no end.

Agree on that 200%. This is main reason powerleveling is viewed bad to some.. Now let's go on with your other views..

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

- Secondly, the veteran who doesn't like to go through the same stuff over and over (alts and all). This case was encountered many times in this thread and is quite understandable. That said, mastering a new class in my opinion also requires one to know what spell/skill to use in one situation and not another, through quests and grinding.

For example, I've learned fast and easily that kiting as my wizard, cleric and psychic is a must, and to use knockback when it is possible. I have seen a psychic tanking a magic resistant Skeleranc Craftsman once and it was a total disaster. I could beat those easily via kiting without being hit once.
I then am quite proud (no other term in mind) that I have learned to use all classes so far with positive results. I rarely die and I do not depend on others or stuff like apothecary items or charms... or even super sharded equipment. Powerleveling sure would be convenient, but I prefer to do it alone, so I have a precise idea of steps to go through for each character. And then, there is always something to do, which makes the game still enjoyable.

Still agree. Each class is different. Powerleveling a alt of exact same class cause you don't feel like restating with reset notes, I "can" comprehend.. Now to next...

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

- My third point is for those who are tired to get stuck and use powerlevel to catch up to others, or finally reach the next levels. Once again I understand the idea, but addiction is right around the corner and they will have to upgrade in terms of skills and equips.

- And finally those who absolutely don't care about playing the game (graphics, music, lore or the tidbits of backstory). When I witnessed people having their seekers and mystics leveled to 100 in two days, if not even less, I shook my head and shrugged. what did the devs worked for then?

Bingo. They made a rather big (if u walk it) new area, some seekers/mystics didn't even take time to explore..Some places are quite beautiful and music is better in those areas then in the rest of the world..

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Anyway, to complete my post, here are the pros and cons to powerleveling:

Pros:
*Less hassle and frustration; Frustration maybe in using all cash to powerlevel to have none left to get adequate gear for the level

*Fast ceiling reaching; Why want the ending so fast anyway ?

*It is a good underground source of revenues to some. Is it partly responsible of an active game economy too? Dubious statement. Weird for economy to me, richer people can get even richer, making new players poorer by the same time

Cons:
*You can get broke easily, using cash can end as a way to meet needs;Yup, not enough coin drops in FC to pay for all, that's for sure

*Some people will brag for something they did not do themselves, just financed or got assistance for. Gladly they are not all like that, but again, modesty is a virtue;I prefer saying I grinded all my chars indeed, even if some see me as a loser
*Powerlevelers can be total pricks (ksing mobs that others may legitimately need) and not be sorry about it; Didn't encounter this yet
*Some people will always be behind as they won't be able to get endgame gear/skills, unless they fork real money out;Exactly
*Boredom and ragequitting, including calling the game makers and PWI itself fail;Yup, they didn't take time, wanted to be 100-105 and omg, nothing to do, wth??
*Being addicted for good until they hit the ceiling and act like one or several of the possibilities stated above. lol, yup

Quite long eh? Thanks for reading!

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · May 2011

Soloing FC, 2mil to heads, 3mil full.

Not power leveling is boring. The only content in the game below level 90 is designed to power level you.

And all these people complaining about "power leveled noobs" and "you don't get to learn your class"

Come on, get real.

It doesn't take a long time to learn to play, stop saying it does. This game isn't hard.

I don't care about that level 100 cleric that didn't know what ironheart was. Bad players will be bad, good players will be good. No amount of forced leveling will make that cleric any better. If you're a bad player you're a bad player. Making them grind won't make them better.

The "old school" way of grinding is boring as hell. I got to 8x on an archer that way and it was a royal PITA.

Target mob. Frost arrow. Auto attacks. Knockback arrow. Auto attacks. He's dead, pick up drops, move to the next mob. Repeat x 1000000

Lady_buffer - Heavens Tear · May 2011

i personally never power level simply due to the fact that i only play a few times a month. however, i find that those who complain about power leveling are rather arrogant and a bit misinformed. if some player wants to use his coin to power level, why stop them? don't use that "not knowing how to play" card. i've personally seen new players play very well well. this game is anything but hard, myself can be used as an example, me a casual gamer who, until i picked up perfect world, only played bowser games to pass the time. in a very short period of time after stating the game i picked up kiting and other verious machanics of the game. it's almost as tho those who DON'T power level are trying to put themselves up on some sort of golden pedestal.

i say it's time to grow up and get real people. power leveling isn't that big of a deal.

sethh · May 2011

I think leveling make you a better perspective and gameplay of the char than powerleveling.
ie Old way cleric > powerlevel cleric Why is this?
Because you take your time to understand how the class works and timing, all details who make you an specialist in that class.

Katzyn - Sanctuary · May 2011

I personally don't like to p.level my chars. I -like- grinding, usually, lol.

But I don't care if someone else wants to p.level. I think it really depends on the person, whether or not they'll be fail. I definitely don't think a brand new player should p.level their first character. That seems like a disaster waiting to happen. But a veteran player, p.leveling an alt? *shrugs*

And since I don't do random squads very often, I don't have to worry about fail players, soooo~ Not a huge deal for me.

Elviron - Dreamweaver · May 2011

Ok lets look at the two levelling methods:-

Old Method:-

1.) Grinding - Usually done alone
2.) Questing - People usually work alone or even if in squads they take on one mob per squad member. Basically people squad to get the kill counts as fast as possible. This of course is an exception to Boss kill quests where in the squad works together to get it done.
3.) Rebirth - While this requires proper coordination, etc...it takes simply too long for a casual player to even devote time to on a daily basis. For me, the only days I even have time for this is during the weekends. Rest of the 5 days I cant even attempt it.
4.) Zhen Squads - Tank pulls, Cleric would probably be in BB and AoE DDs simply attack the mobs. This is similar to what people do in FC for the halls and rebirth.
5.) FB/CoD Runs - A more lengthy version of BH runs? :P

New Method:-

1.) Bounty Hunter Quests - Massive EXP reward for a single boss kill within an instance. Usually u cant solo this unless you have uber gear and levels.
2.) Hyper Frost - For any 8x/9x squad this instance, regardless of whether you hyper or not, requires certain amount of skill and timing from all team members to be effective.
3.) Alt FC - This is probably one aspect of the new levelling methods that doesnt help in learning your class unless the player actually takes time to do so
4.) And you have the old methods to go with as well.

If you take a more careful look, back before the BHs, Frost runs, Hypers, etc the only times you even squaded together was for FBs (Similar to BHs), TT (does not affect levelling whatsoever and people usually have to learn irrespective of how they level), Rebirth (people still do them but is limited to delta), Zhen squads (died out since you get better exp returns in Forgotten Frostlands)

If anything, the newer levelling methods encourage more co-op play than the old ones which is probably the reason why people seem to come across more bad players than what they used to.

This is my opinion on the probable decline of gameplay quality.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · May 2011

to Vincinator: Thanks for replying to my post.
As for the positive and negative points, they are just derived from common sense or others' affirmations and well, it may depend on the case overall... Absolutely true for some, totally false for others and all other combinations in between.

At least powerleveling is an option some people take. As the others said, the game is far from hard, you can always manage, alone or in a team (especially because most instances are not level-restricted).

Does it kill the game, I don't think it does, unless you really want to explore all your own pace. Now, is it a way to attain things too fast? Yes and some will say it's their goal. fine with me.
There seem to be two idiotic groups fighting each other on that, because they have nothing else to do (of course it's a half-joke full of stereotypes, don't take it seriously):
*Those calling powerlevelers and plvl service providers a bunch of noobs, greedy fools and fails;
*The ones not doing it being called weaklings, cheapskates/vagrants or slowpokes.
Amusingly enough, the ones described above are the ones dissing the ones below, and vice-versa.

Well, call me a cheapskate-vagrant-slowpoke then.
I am of the very old-school of grinding-questing-harvesting. I express merchant from time to time and FF powerleveling or BH or hypers, I cannot comprehend. I use CS from time to time (usually once or twice per level) but that's all... Maybe it's why I am rather stuck in terms of levels, but again, I manage many characters, all mine, of course.

Do I regret not being capped, not having any char at demon/sage level, or R9, +12, etc.? Absolutely not. b:laugh

Lady_buffer - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i personally never power level simply due to the fact that i only play a few times a month. however, i find that those who complain about power leveling are rather arrogant and a bit misinformed. if some player wants to use his coin to power level, why stop them? don't use that "not knowing how to play" card. i've personally seen new players play very well well. this game is anything but hard, myself can be used as an example, me a casual gamer who, until i picked up perfect world, only played bowser games to pass the time. in a very short period of time after stating the game i picked up kiting and other verious machanics of the game. it's almost as tho those who DON'T power level are trying to put themselves up on some sort of golden pedestal.

i say it's time to grow up and get real people. power leveling isn't that big of a deal.

Absolutely correct, you are. The game is made so you go your own way.

I cannot bring myself to go for powerleveling, nor hold people who promote it to my heart.

-Silly stereotypes alert, do not take it seriously-
I'd hate being dragged into 'Hey, why don't you try powerleveling! I'll make you pay... not too much/follow me so you reach the top fast!'.
I love freedom and going my pace, you know), but I cannot hate or diss them... I shrug at that, that is all.
It's up to them and yourself, if there is demand for that, well, it's how things go, good for them, I am not concerned, they don't hurt me, I don't hurt them, fair enough.

Now, if you claim you use that kind of method, no problem... Even if you failed or succeded after, absolutely no problem to me. As for you having learned how to control your character properly, that is very good.

My only grief is towards those who would have been powerleveled and not admit they were, like if they climbed Mt. Everest at the risk of their lives, but also act like utter pricks that take all for granted and QQ when they are unsatisfied (I am glad you are not in that case).

Yes, it's a game, and there is a place for everyone... too many have forgotten about that part and get radical like if their lives depended on it. Get real people... Have fun! Relax! Report vulgar world chat fools and scammers! Help the weak! Eat custard! Be a happy troll of justice!! Oops... nevermind.

Faeble - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Honestly, I can see some places where PLVLing is ok ..before you kill me let me explain:
1. Your character was deleted so you are plvling it back to where you were
2. Leaving a PvP server but don't want to start all over again so you level to where you were
3. Creating a second of your person (why? I don't know)

All of those state that you have already played the class you are plvling up. Reason I think those are ok is because you already put the time in once and learned. What I hate is when people plvl their people then don't know how the heck to do anything.

Like barbs only using flesh realm for aggro.... or never getting bestial rage. Or BMs who don't know what HF does. We once had an archer in a 90-95 FF run who REFUSED to do hands because she couldn't tab click them (never learned you can tab to them)

I mean, I'm not going to pretend to be a know it all blademaster by any means. But I do believe I can play my person well and know my limitations and how to over come them with new tactics. But, I think a level 90 bm who doesn't know how HF work. A level 78 cleric I've met using Pure Hearted and swearing that it's the best, refusing to use IH. People like that really need to go back and learn how to play their person from the start.

I don't mind people who plvl as long as they take the time and learn how to use their new person and new skills and aren't complete idiots. I do agree with the statement "It doesn't take a long time to learn to play, stop saying it does. This game isn't hard. " It doesn't bother me until it effects me in a group. IE squad wipe because someone goes all Leroy on everyone and fails.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · May 2011

To Faeble: Hmm, that is a good point.
Changing servers and trying the same class anew (obviously) is a possibility so slim that I did not even think of it... but that is valid and understandable enough.

As for people doing this or that in game in terms of skills and attack/defense/support, some cannot be blamed. It's either pure ignorance (no one told them before or they did not check info from the start -but again, misguidance/a forceful pushing towards certain paths in game is not uncommon... Fist BM, 5aps? No Thanks! Not for me-) or they want to act... different?
I do believe that those need good advice or to test various tactics (alone or with an unbiased, cool veteran, preferably?) and pick what is best for them... but also maybe adapt that for squad play.

But again, I don't like squads myself, because they follow this and that, like if they detained the absolute truth and tend to rush things up because they got charms and refined items...? Things I personally cannot bring myself to do. I'm the cautious type, you see.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide · May 2011

This game doesn't require skill to win, it takes a credit card to win.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · May 2011

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

This game doesn't require skill to win, it takes a credit card to win.

So... Arcane G15 Barb with nothing but G11 magic gems in it? That would require some coins, and thus, easiest way is credit card. Would probably faceroll arcane users, but wouldn't be win by any stretch of the imagination.

Winning takes a credit card and skill. >_> Too many people have already used their credit card in this game.

SneakyJmk - Sanctuary · May 2011

I power lvl'd, and i havent seen alot of sins better skilled in the class than me :P A good player will be good in the end even if he/she power lvl or not, a bad player will still be bad even if he/she power lvl or not.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

This game doesn't require skill to win, it takes a credit card to win.

Skill only brings you a illusion of win... Wait. Well of course if you claim that winning means R9, 5aps, +12, being capped (and being bored of having nothing else to do), having all sorts of endgame gear, more mounts and aeros than you can count and thousands of trillions of coins, among other craziness you can call 'exterior signs of wealth' (with 'these allow me bragging rights and hell I am right' apposed on them).

Well, I am still winning, since I consider PWI a game, no fuss, no 'srs bsns', no hatin', no being vulgar (hey, it's a game, why roleplaying like if it was real? Beats me... Oh and such ppl and don't wanna meet, gross, lol), no soul contaminated with greed/jealousy/lust -wth-/envy/bloodlust (take all that apply, more than one allowed), no QQing, no ragequitting, no 'this game sucks/GMs are evil' and so on. b:victory

Faeble - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

To Faeble: Hmm, that is a good point.
Changing servers and trying the same class anew (obviously) is a possibility so slim that I did not even think of it... but that is valid and understandable enough.

As for people doing this or that in game in terms of skills and attack/defense/support, some cannot be blamed. It's either pure ignorance (no one told them before or they did not check info from the start -but again, misguidance/a forceful pushing towards certain paths in game is not uncommon... Fist BM, 5aps? No Thanks! Not for me-) or they want to act... different?
I do believe that those need good advice or to test various tactics (alone or with an unbiased, cool veteran, preferably?) and pick what is best for them... but also maybe adapt that for squad play.

But again, I don't like squads myself, because they follow this and that, like if they detained the absolute truth and tend to rush things up because they got charms and refined items...? Things I personally cannot bring myself to do. I'm the cautious type, you see.

I actually met two people who have two of the same. 1 has two barbs: one sage, one demon. Another has 2 clerics. Same deal 1 sage, 1 demon. And I've met a few who have switched. I even thought about joining a pvp server, but due to not wanting to go through the 20-30 levels at the moment, have been holding off on that xD.

Oh, I'm not saying all. Though, I do believe people should do valid research before selecting a class to play. Like people who make full attack clerics? I don't understand it. Or pure fists...why not go sin? I personally went fist/axe/pole to keep myself open to being able to do everything. I started out pure axe but after doing research found out I would be limited in the end (Nirvana squads are 3.33aps+ and I'm not making an alt just to farm nirvana) But...that's off topic.

I do agree that people are "pushed" towards things, myself included, but that's due to the way the game works. If you don't fit what the squad wants (ie the 3.33aps) they will kick you to find someone who is. *shrugs* I hate kicking people out of squad, but if we get a full attack cleric who refuses to heal...well...sorry I'm going to kick you. I need a cleric who is willing to do what a cleric is supposed to do. I have nothing against them on a personal level, just need the required piece of the group puzzle. I personally like social groups, I like to talk to people, it's what makes each instance unique and fun, not the instance itself but the conversation it sparks.

I power lvl'd, and i havent seen alot of sins better skilled in the class than me :P A good player will be good in the end even if he/she power lvl or not, a bad player will still be bad even if he/she power lvl or not.

Not saying you can't be a skilled person if you did plvl. I've FFd with a seeker 3 days after seekers came out (obviously plvled) and she was amazing. Knew what to do, when to do it, how and all. So, not saying all plvlers are idiots. And yes, a good player will learn and adjust. Though, most people learn as they level, learn each skill as it comes versus learning a mass amount of skills all at once (due to plvling) But grats to you if you are very skilled.

All I have to say, is I would have a heart attack if I plvled to 90 and had to do ALL those cultivation and chrono quests. I mean, you can solo most of it...but still. 2x cultivation is a pain

and 7x Chrono

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Faeble - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I actually met two people who have two of the same. 1 has two barbs: one sage, one demon. Another has 2 clerics. Same deal 1 sage, 1 demon. And I've met a few who have switched. I even thought about joining a pvp server, but due to not wanting to go through the 20-30 levels at the moment, have been holding off on that xD.

Oh, I'm not saying all. Though, I do believe people should do valid research before selecting a class to play. Like people who make full attack clerics? I don't understand it. Or pure fists...why not go sin? I personally went fist/axe/pole to keep myself open to being able to do everything. I started out pure axe but after doing research found out I would be limited in the end (Nirvana squads are 3.33aps+ and I'm not making an alt just to farm nirvana) But...that's off topic.

I do agree that people are "pushed" towards things, myself included, but that's due to the way the game works. If you don't fit what the squad wants (ie the 3.33aps) they will kick you to find someone who is. *shrugs* I hate kicking people out of squad, but if we get a full attack cleric who refuses to heal...well...sorry I'm going to kick you. I need a cleric who is willing to do what a cleric is supposed to do. I have nothing against them on a personal level, just need the required piece of the group puzzle. I personally like social groups, I like to talk to people, it's what makes each instance unique and fun, not the instance itself but the conversation it sparks.

Well, the first case you mentioned really shows how some are dedicated in trying all types of characters. I may even add that my old pal Yulk (Yes, he was a bad troll but it's beyond the point, I hope he is doing well outside of PWI) wanted to have all skills on his barb. It's devotion. Good, legitimate powerleveling (in my point of view) would only apply when you have mastered your main and are trying the other character possibility as an alt.

As for the second, it's not even about doing valid research or not (though it sure helps a ton in having a long-term viable character). You see, some totally want to go against nature. Winged elves are graceful and squishy. Giving HA on a cleric will really mess things up.
What is worse are arcane barbs... Like if a panda could cast spells... (That said, a magical panda would have been fun if it officially existed). Such people are just bored, foolish and probably too rich if they create such high level characters (or then again, a powerlevel and reset note spam).

And finally, you say it is how the game works. I do presume it is more about a large group of people with a rather narrow mind. Being kicked because you are not like this and that is mere discrimination (if of course you did not have the chance to prove yourself... If you royally fail, no objections). Play with people that will appreciate you, not those who shun you because you cannot afford what they forcefully require. Would being an excellent lv 100 to them be a synonym of having spent $3000 or more in packs if not more? Get serious! b:surrender
Of course I go for stupid stereotypes again. But if that is the truth, I sincerely believe that some should not be so elitist and others at the other side of the spectrum, not feel like they are worthless/pieces of junk because they are not valued after this issue. This is not healthy at all.

As I said before, go your way and enjoy it, then you will not be so annoyed with the game, trust me.

P.S.: Levels mean nothing to me anymore. They can be a sign of hard work or complete laziness, and since it is impossible to distinguish between the two these days, I have stopped praising old veterans because I don't know who's who (Do you recall about PWI's very first generation, those who really got about nothing but quests and grinding to level up... Seems like Antiquity to me. Total dedication. Old good times).

(and then, for the part that does not concern me, I fully agree on that... More or less what I tried to say in my own post)

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · May 2011

back in the day....
we never had Platinum charms..

back in the day....
no one knew how the Cube daily worked..

*cough*

anyway >.>
Powerleveling... i have mixed feelings. I think its fine as long as you are open to ideas and criticism while playing the class, and then willing to learn and adjust. PLing tends to limit the amount of experience in terms of variety so... yeah

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · May 2011

powerleveling is just a cheap way to level minus exp stone, so far as i can tell. and while a boost to leveling, like the double days we get now and then are nice,, i dont like like the whole concept. back when they first came out, the first cheat was the oracle, and 'oldtimers' like me and others from the games beginning called them 'oracle babies', and tried to never get in squads with them because they leveled so fast they didnt know how to play their class. now we have so many ways to fast level its noo wonder at the number of party wipes...

even i, with my mystic, she leveled so fast, despited my making sure she did every single one of her quests, hoping it would help me learn the plethora of skills that became available to her too quickly. leveling the original classes takes much longer, and you earn your skills much slower than with the last four races. im not saying i want anything done to speed up the leveling of the first races-what should be done is slow down the leveling of the new ones, so they can have time to really learn how to use what they have.

there was an old Smith-Barney commercial, many years ago, with a famous English actor who said on it "We make our money the old fashioned way: we EARN it." and i think that neatly sums up the best way to play the game: Earn what you Learn, and Learn what you Earn.

Dorset - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I Dislike Plvling and i Dislike the fact that people would preffer to do that than actually lvl their chars legitimatly. Maybe im just old School, but the whole thing feels like cheating, whether you can create a char as good as a non plvld one or not.

Back in the Day...

That is all.
Just wondering if there is anyone out there who still shares my opinion.....or does this make me Old fashioned XD

truekossy · May 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

back in the day....
no one knew how the Cube daily worked..

Hey! There were about like... five of us who had figured it out. Maybe six. b:laugh

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

So... Arcane G15 Barb with nothing but G11 magic gems in it? That would require some coins, and thus, easiest way is credit card. Would probably faceroll arcane users, but wouldn't be win by any stretch of the imagination.

Winning takes a credit card and skill. >_> Too many people have already used their credit card in this game.

Actually swap out the magic shards for garnets or vit stones, and if you make it pure tank for say cata pulling in TW, you will find they are pretty epic :x

Think I made 1 not long ago with 19k m.def, 22k p.def, and 40k something hp. Obviously you would have to be insanely rich lol.

Go make 1 and try b:cute

Zuqria - Dreamweaver · May 2011

The most rewarding to me can stil be found after hard work, questing and one-man army-ing.... Failing and learning, being send on drunk, wild goose chases that make me smile after having spend hours of efford to search for three devils.... (AH thats right - HE IS DRUNK)

Would'nt want it any other way, in a way i have to feel like i accomplished something.

I don't have the money for Plvling but if i would have it i would still play the old fashioned way. To me thats so much more fun. I try not to be annoyed about people that like playing a different way though. They are not interested in teaming up with me anyway

Kinjeto - Raging Tide · May 2011

Dorset - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I Dislike Plvling and i Dislike the fact that people would preffer to do that than actually lvl their chars legitimatly. Maybe im just old School, but the whole thing feels like cheating, whether you can create a char as good as a non plvld one or not.

Back in the Day...

That is all.
Just wondering if there is anyone out there who still shares my opinion.....or does this make me Old fashioned XD

Hang on let me just go and 10,000 Cougerettes -- 2 months later OMG I FINALLY MADE it to 100 this is the great achievement of my li... dies from heart attack. Ok good luck with that. We USED zhen party now everyone FCs and no one cares. 100 isn't an achievement anymore 105 is an achievement, 101 is standard. Take it from me I've been 100 two times first time in PW MY and 102 here and its still apathetic.

I just smirk when people in world chat go "Congratz so~so you reached 100" well sorry but welcome to yesterday. Hell I'm just glad we don't have companies that level characters for you. Cause that's money that is going away from 'the company'. Gold companies are power leveling companies are the bane of the online MMORPG environment. But I can sympathize and understand that grinding 200,000 Chocobos is not to everyone with a 'real lifes' tastes. Just glad we've got Frost City. So people who can solo the thing can make coin.

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · May 2011

maybe you can answer a question my son and i have wondered for a looong time...what the heck does a barb get out of going arcane?? they cant use any arcane skills, and where are they putting their point..? magic? for what?

i've seen a few of these guys around BB, and always thought it was just a new player who hadnt learned how the game works.

and you are so right...nowadays, the game is won with a credit card, not hard work. i still go out, work my head off with my veno, and still wind up with a repair bill bigger than what i take in, even when its just a run for fun in the SP. but my cleric is the one who makes the money, and all on her own, too....i really dont get it.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

So... Arcane G15 Barb with nothing but G11 magic gems in it? That would require some coins, and thus, easiest way is credit card. Would probably faceroll arcane users, but wouldn't be win by any stretch of the imagination.

Winning takes a credit card and skill. >_> Too many people have already used their credit card in this game.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · May 2011

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

maybe you can answer a question my son and i have wondered for a looong time...what the heck does a barb get out of going arcane?? they cant use any arcane skills, and where are they putting their point..? magic? for what?

i've seen a few of these guys around BB, and always thought it was just a new player who hadnt learned how the game works.

and you are so right...nowadays, the game is won with a credit card, not hard work. i still go out, work my head off with my veno, and still wind up with a repair bill bigger than what i take in, even when its just a run for fun in the SP. but my cleric is the one who makes the money, and all on her own, too....i really dont get it.

Because most Barbs have a LOT of PDef, and... Almost no MDef normally, they can tank anything that does Physical damage really easily. For things that do magic damage exclusively, they can ONLY survive by their high HP alone, they have no defenses against it. For things like PK and TW, it's a real shocker for a Wiz to try to oneshot nuke a Barb, which is normally no problem, and suddenly, they can't oneshot some random Barb, and suddenly, they're in trouble as this barb is impervious to their magic.

There are also really tough bosses that do magic damage only, and almost nothing can tank them. An arcane barb would be the only answer, high MDef and lots of HP.

In reality, they have no skills, I don't think, since they're required to have an Axe family weapon to use their tiger skills. So, they can't hold aggro as well as a regular old barb with axes. Well, that's if they choose to go with a Magic weapon.

The_Chef - Archosaur · May 2011

The way I see it is, powerleveling is OK as long as you know what you're doing. As in, you've had a character before and you don't suck.

I powerleveled a few of my characters after I leveled a couple the legit way. It's useless to kill X mobs when you could spend your time doing something actually fun and useful. I play MMO's so I can play with other people, not so I can press a few buttons over and over again by myself.

I've invited a few friends to PWI and I refuse to take them to heads with my alts. Once they have a character or two that they leveled by themselves to a higher level, sure, I'll take them along. I just want to make sure they know what they're doing and don't suck before help them get characters to higher levels.

Yogaxpto - Dreamweaver · May 2011

Daedallus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Totally agree....

I never hypered any char, and it sucke to see ppl selling heads in WC.

Where's the fun?

( not to mention we get to deal with plvld noobs in squads )

That is, in fact, absolutely true...

SmifnWesson - Lost City · May 2011

Dorset - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I Dislike Plvling and i Dislike the fact that people would preffer to do that than actually lvl their chars legitimatly. Maybe im just old School, but the whole thing feels like cheating, whether you can create a char as good as a non plvld one or not.

Back in the Day...

Whats a legitimate way to level? doing the 4-5 quests at my level that will yeild maybe 7% xp? and then what? a bh a day? Sure! sounds like a stellar idea, I tell you what Ill take that hour or so a day I got to play this game to do that.... oh but wait, i spend that hour looking for a squad and no luck....If I could afford to powerlevel I totally would, I do not find the content in this game "that" interesting that I would vow to spend every waking moment I have for that 200 xp I get per mob, or go fly here, then there, then back to the first place, reward: 2000 xp

time wasted: too freaking long

Secondly, I had to laugh at this, but whats up with people calling powerleveling "cheating"? like its mentioned at least 4 times in this thread....b:laugh cracksmokers, you all act like someone took your lollipop or something.....whine much?

HeartandSoul - Heavens Tear · May 2011

SmifnWesson - Lost City wrote: »

Whats a legitimate way to level? doing the 4-5 quests at my level that will yeild maybe 7% xp? and then what? a bh a day? Sure! sounds like a stellar idea, I tell you what Ill take that hour or so a day I got to play this game to do that.... oh but wait, i spend that hour looking for a squad and no luck....If I could afford to powerlevel I totally would, I do not find the content in this game "that" interesting that I would vow to spend every waking moment I have for that 200 xp I get per mob, or go fly here, then there, then back to the first place, reward: 2000 xp

time wasted: too freaking long

Secondly, I had to laugh at this, but whats up with people calling powerleveling "cheating"? like its mentioned at least 4 times in this thread....b:laugh cracksmokers, you all act like someone took your lollipop or something.....whine much?

If you don't have time to play then why do u play it <.< you obv found time in your busy schedule to "whine" yourself haven't you b:pleased

Samurai_Jack - Dreamweaver · May 2011

Talking about old school lvling before 2 years I started my cleric(main) and grinded all day
to get coins and lvled to 74 and then some people from my fried list started to ask me whould i go with them on BH.I was like o.O what the hell is BH??They showed me were npc is and if I had used that NPC would be 100 in no time.But by grinding I got more money,more spirit and I got on that cleric all skills maxed

Annalyse - Heavens Tear · May 2011

I got some free hypers once at a wedding I went to. I NPCed them.

Besides my main I play eight alts, all levelling normally. I guess I'm one of the few that just enjoys the game.

:O omg i said it

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