What's the rock-paper-scissors of classes?

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  • Woneo - Harshlands
    Woneo - Harshlands Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited April 2011
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    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I already saw a BM kill a +12 psy without immune pot.... (yes, +12 armor too)
    It's really rare xP

    Apologies vs UrDian?
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
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    Hudini - Harshlands wrote: »
    No this is an attempt to point out that most of your assumptions up there are wrong.

    I take it you pvp as an archer alot then?
    b:bye
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
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    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    End-game psy's aren't hard to kill. The only issue I ever have with them is their reflect skill cause of APS :s

    Then again.....

    roar > Spark > punch > drake's bash

    pretty sure either me or the psy is dead by now :X

    I don't think you understand what endgame means.
  • Hudini - Harshlands
    Hudini - Harshlands Posts: 79 Arc User
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    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I take it you pvp as an archer alot then?
    b:bye


    sure....I take it you pvp on a pve server often?
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
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    Hudini - Harshlands wrote: »
    sure....I take it you pvp on a pve server often?

    HL shouldn't use the PvP server viagra. There are more idiots on HL server than RT and Archosaur combined. Just because Lost City sometimes uses that argument and gets away with it doesn't mean you guys can too. Some people on LC can actually back up that ridiculous ego of theirs. However, any PvE server > Harshlands.
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  • Woneo - Harshlands
    Woneo - Harshlands Posts: 1,086 Arc User
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    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    HL shouldn't use the PvP server viagra. There are more idiots on HL server than RT and Archosaur combined. Just because Lost City sometimes uses that argument and gets away with it doesn't mean you guys can too. Some people on LC can actually back up that ridiculous ego of theirs. However, any PvE server > Harshlands.

    Okay.
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
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    Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »
    Okay.

    Okay.
  • HealingBliss - Lost City
    HealingBliss - Lost City Posts: 136 Arc User
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    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't think you understand what endgame means.

    I still won't forget ticking myself with just hailstorm, god x.x
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  • _Petal_ - Harshlands
    _Petal_ - Harshlands Posts: 499 Arc User
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    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I already saw a BM kill a +12 psy without immune pot.... (yes, +12 armor too)
    It's really rare xP

    >.> Pssssh, who was the Psychic, Longknife?
    They made fun of me because I wasn't a R8 Psychic...and then came third cast. It's not funny anymore.

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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
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    _Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    >.> Pssssh, who was the Psychic, Longknife?

    What's that supposed to mean?
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  • RawStyIer - Harshlands
    RawStyIer - Harshlands Posts: 23 Arc User
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    WF > EA
    WF > WR
    WF > MG
    WF = EP, if dark WF > EP
    WF > WB
    WF < Psy
    WF < Sin

    Idk the other new classes, but I guess they > WF too


    That is my point of view
  • HeavensRage - Raging Tide
    HeavensRage - Raging Tide Posts: 404 Arc User
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    RawStyIer - Harshlands wrote: »
    WF > EA
    WF > WR
    WF > MG
    WF = EP, if dark WF > EP
    WF > WB
    WF < Psy
    WF < Sin

    Idk the other new classes, but I guess they > WF too


    That is my point of view

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  • Bollojello - Sanctuary
    Bollojello - Sanctuary Posts: 12 Arc User
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    Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »
    In soviet Russia...paper cuts YOU.

    Paper cuts you even when you aren't in Soviet Russia. You ever heard or a paper cut?
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
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    Bollojello - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Paper cuts you even when you aren't in Soviet Russia. You ever heard or a paper cut?

    eeewww hibby jibbys, was just reminded of jackass the movie.
  • HappysHAIL - Harshlands
    HappysHAIL - Harshlands Posts: 219 Arc User
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    The sin who double sparks in stealth, channel cancels power dash, and zerks you to death before you see anything in your damage log or your charm ticks > all.

    Thats really all you need to know.
  • EmeryFlower - Dreamweaver
    EmeryFlower - Dreamweaver Posts: 207 Arc User
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    HeavensRage - Raging Tide wrote: »
    HH GV FF 9000jun HERPP DERPPPPPP

    b:laugh
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  • ILubby - Raging Tide
    ILubby - Raging Tide Posts: 287 Arc User
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    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »


    2 interesting matches from my perspective are Psy vs Wizard and Wizard vs Cleric. In these matches which do you think has the advantage?


    Idk about wizard vs psy, but wizard vs cleric is tricky, cleric has the advantage of the fast physical spell comparing to the wizard's, but I can't seem to anticipate which technique the wizard would use. However, If wizard uses sutra --> chances of surviving is low, but holy pathing fixes it if you're quick to run. If wizard uses seal - which has no channeling so he will seal you before you sleep him - purify pots fixes it too. By that time a cleric can sleep the wizard, spark and plume shot. A wizard can survive a cleric with certain genie skills. But in the end, gear is important, plume shot will tickle a wizard with 7k phys res -.-
  • Woneo - Harshlands
    Woneo - Harshlands Posts: 1,086 Arc User
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    My lil sage sin;

    Sin > Arcane
    Sin > Archer
    Sin = BM
    Sin < Barb
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
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    ILubby - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Idk about wizard vs psy, but wizard vs cleric is tricky, cleric has the advantage of the fast physical spell comparing to the wizard's, but I can't seem to anticipate which technique the wizard would use. However, If wizard uses sutra --> chances of surviving is low, but holy pathing fixes it if you're quick to run. If wizard uses seal - which has no channeling so he will seal you before you sleep him - purify pots fixes it too. By that time a cleric can sleep the wizard, spark and plume shot. A wizard can survive a cleric with certain genie skills. But in the end, gear is important, plume shot will tickle a wizard with 7k phys res -.-

    The main danger of a wizzy is the sleep.
    It's instand and lasts long enough to channel an Ulti that can bypass your charm
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  • ILubby - Raging Tide
    ILubby - Raging Tide Posts: 287 Arc User
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    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The main danger of a wizzy is the sleep.
    It's instand and lasts long enough to channel an Ulti that can bypass your charm
    Yea sleep too I forgot to mention >_> damn too many strategies
  • Cadeal - Dreamweaver
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver Posts: 162 Arc User
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    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sin


    2 interesting matches from my perspective are Psy vs Wizard and Wizard vs Cleric. In these matches which do you think has the advantage?


    Wiz vs Cleric the cleric has the advantage because of plume shot.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
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    Cadeal - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wiz vs Cleric the cleric has the advantage because of plume shot.

    Did you read what the friendly lady cleric said?
    Plume shot tickles an end game wizzy, while that end game wizzy can 1shot or bypass the charm of the cleric with an ulti
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
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    Cadeal - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wiz vs Cleric the cleric has the advantage because of plume shot.

    Lol Plume Shot.

    Endgame Wizards have way more phy def than mag def, specially when fully buffed and Clerics cant purge.

    Plume shot is joke damage on someone with around 20k phy def. Thunder wield is pretty much the only powerful attack skill a cleric has against endgame Wizards. Tempest hits hard to of course but like all ultis it takes 2 sparks and cant be used that frequent.
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
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    Also Plume Shot has no mastery, that lowers the damage as well when compared with the metal skills. Plume Shot is really only good against wizards below 90...
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
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    Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »
    Also Plume Shot has no mastery, that lowers the damage as well when compared with the metal skills. Plume Shot is really only good against wizards below 90...

    I remember on my wiz, plume shotting hitting for less than cyclone. I laughed when clerics used it on me.
  • HeavensRage - Raging Tide
    HeavensRage - Raging Tide Posts: 404 Arc User
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    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    I remember on my wiz, plume shotting hitting for less than cyclone. I laughed when clerics used it on me.

    Razor feathers was where it's at.

    Plume shot was good for spamming if you were demon.
  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
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    If you want the overly-simplified rock-paper-scissors of classes it would be this:

    Evasion classes: Archer and Assassin
    Melee classes: Barbarian, Blademaster, Seeker, and HA Venomancer
    Magic classes: Cleric, Wizard, AA Venomancer, Psychic, and Mystic

    Evasion classes beat Melee classes because they evades the Melee classes' blows while rarely missing with their own attacks.
    Melee classes beat Magic classes due to the normally low HP and PDef of Magic classes.
    Magic classes beat Evasion classes because magic attacks are ranged and never miss and Evasion classes usually have lower HP than Melee classes.

    Obviously it's far more complicated than that, especially since you can make various builds (like LA clerics and such) and some buffs and skills help counter some of that, but it is a kind of rock-paper-scissors that's built into the game mechanics.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
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    Sangodoc wrote: »
    If you want the overly-simplified rock-paper-scissors of classes it would be this:

    Evasion classes: Archer and Assassin
    Melee classes: Barbarian, Blademaster, Seeker, and HA Venomancer
    Magic classes: Cleric, Wizard, AA Venomancer, Psychic, and Mystic

    Evasion classes beat Melee classes because they evades the Melee classes' blows while rarely missing with their own attacks.
    Melee classes beat Magic classes due to the normally low HP and PDef of Magic classes.
    Magic classes beat Evasion classes because magic attacks are ranged and never miss and Evasion classes usually have lower HP than Melee classes.

    Obviously it's far more complicated than that, especially since you can make various builds (like LA clerics and such) and some buffs and skills help counter some of that, but it is a kind of rock-paper-scissors that's built into the game mechanics.

    that is so overly simplified that it is misleading. All they need to know is tideborn rule pvp.. and the 6 original classes are pretty well balanced with each other (dunno about earthguard yet)
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
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    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    that is so overly simplified that it is misleading. All they need to know is tideborn rule pvp.. and the 6 original classes are pretty well balanced with each other (dunno about earthguard yet)

    You almost got it right.

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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
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    Sangodoc wrote: »
    If you want the overly-simplified rock-paper-scissors of classes it would be this:

    Evasion classes: Archer and Assassin

    Magic classes beat Evasion classes because magic attacks are ranged and never miss and Evasion classes usually have lower HP than Melee classes.
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