Fixing APS fixes Sins

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

lvl 10 HeadHunt is 7s, Demon 8s. Someone confirm or prove me wrong. Don't give me a screen of the skill description either, cuz players have timed it to be longer.

The whole point is that assassins shouldn't even get a stun duration comparable to BMs. Even 6s is way too long. Combine this with the possibility of being Sealed and immobilized afterward and the lock is even longer.

Shadow Teleport is 5 seconds at level 10 and 7 seconds for demon.

Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear wrote: »

just delete all sins, don't reimburse any of the f.k'ers

problem solved; game balanced

How about we delete your life f'ker ? b:bye

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

3 and 5, actually.

No it's not, they messed up the description.

Rasshid - Heavens Tear wrote: »

are u kidding me? ))))))) what about a +10 R9 wizzie? 1hit almost every1. yes sins rulz 1v1 but tws and pk doesnt mean all the time 1v1. aps are very useful vs HA but vs AA it's better to 1shot :P so stop QQing and get used to it. nothing will change...........they wont nerf aps, they wont take off R9 daggs cuz they wont nerf chaneling or take off others R9 weps......if u dont like ur class reroll. And if u have a good gear, know what to do and a cant be 1shoted u can survive and kill sin or make him run away.......well some sins

Wizards aren't broken because you can see them one shot you. The whole time. They also can't disappear (unless you lag as they distance shrink, I suppose) and everything that can one shot you costs at least a spark and has a long channel. Sure they have an instant channel, but there are pots for that. It isn't a class specific thing.

Also the part about having good gear prevents you from being one shot... Yeah, if 5.0 really cared about the first hit. It isn't about surviving one shot, it is about surviving the 7 or so that the sin gets free if he forgets to stun you after coming out of stealth. Also, the same thing retroactively proves your own point about wizards wrong. I can say that 'if you have good gear' you should be able to avoid getting one shot by a wizard.

Oh, and don't poke wizards. It's not like everyone went and made Wizard alts to go solo every instance they ever wanted. Sins are so widely used that most factions have increased level reqs for them. And people used to complain about Venomancer spam.

Regular 5.0 isn't as broken as people say in TW. I don't do a lot of PK otherwise, so I don't care how broken it is there. Not to mention, that some things are only solo-able with 5.0 because of Bloodpaint. Being able to run through TT 3-X is nice, but if you can only do 1-X or 2-X, you might as well be a veno and spend the coin for a herc than the massive amount for APS. The time you save isn't really worth it for 5.0.

Sins can stealth, buff, teleport and stun or glitch teleport, spark and then APS. You can't see them until they decide to spas out on you. That's the problem. To be honest, it is funny to see someone pop out of stealth on a Bramble Hood because that's their fault. 5.0 is broken, but Sins break 5.0 more than it already is.

They should visit Blizzard and learn how to treat the playerbase.

But seriously, the game is broken, and PWE have done little to fix it. A simple nerf won't help, they have to rebalance the whole game. And to be fair, nerfing APS to hell isn't exactly the best way to satisfy your playerbase when those who have gone APS have invested quite a bit to achieve the 5 APS.

Balancing a game requires time (I challenge you to read every patch note, included the PTR ones), it's nothing you can just do over night. If you change one thing, might suddenly result in world bosses go on a rampage killing everything in a 8769m radius just say something random. It can be anything really.

Like some already said, 5 aps is a problem itself, but not what makes the sin so OP. A sin can perma-spark with it's skills at 2.5 aps or so, can stealth ethernally then poof on you with a stun. Everyone focusses on aps, but who cares when you can 1 hit fully buffed AA and LA classes out of stealth (maybe not so true on full rank 9, but regularly hit 10k+ on LA classes with chill on a sage lvl skill).
Having shadow escape drain chi and maybe some chance over time to be knocked out stealth might fix the issue. Also heard some idea of stealth using chi instead of mp once. Found that suggestion interesting as well.


This is kinda funny :

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

I feel like assassins should never have been a 5.0 class at all. All of their attacks and endgame equipment point to a class that should specialize in higher spikes.

More chance to crit, harder crits, more attack level, not as much -int on R9, and of course, GoF on their R9 weapon. I think the class would have been fine in PvP if they had to use physical nukes to kill rather than normal attacks at high speeds.

So true, there is another way to build a sin besides "aps". I tried to balance aps and spike damage. I got 2.86 aps (cause you got to admit it's handy by times), and hit like a truck. Funny thing is, it actually outdamages most 5 aps even with G15 vanas, and can solo just as much (maybe more) then those 5 aps miracles.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Like some already said, 5 aps is a problem itself, but not what makes the sin so OP. A sin can perma-spark with it's skills at 2.5 aps or so, can stealth ethernally then poof on you with a stun. Everyone focusses on aps, but who cares when you can 1 hit fully buffed AA and LA classes out of stealth (maybe not so true on full rank 9, but regularly hit 10k+ on LA classes with chill on a sage lvl skill).
Having shadow escape drain chi and maybe some chance over time to be knocked out stealth might fix the issue. Also heard some idea of stealth using chi instead of mp once. Found that suggestion interesting as well.

Actually it is the APS that makes sins overpowered. No sin can 1 hit me, am not usually all that buffed and I have LA armor. r9 archer with some def shards. I think the top crit on me by a sin might be 5-6k... and I have 12k hp unbuffed...

What sins kill me with is stunlocks and APS...