Fixing APS fixes Sins

Fish are beyond fixing. There's only one way to solve the problem, at this point.
It involves a can-opener.

I agree, sin have too much OP skills, INT, HIGH DD, STEALTH, STUN CHAINS, etc. the game got really unbalanced since 10x 5aps sins. Not just pvp but also farmings, Nirvana squads, Frost runs. The only thing sins are not invited are GVs, just because AOE. I have a 102 sin 3.33 and I feel OP sometimes just because I can walk around with minimum mana cost for stealth (no cost with cleric's buff) and kill anyone I want just to be able to give the first hit. I think stealth is the most OP skill. They should fix this like reducing the amout of lvls of stealth or make stealth cost a lot more to keep up. 5 aps is ok but thay should make the channeling increases for magical classes too. Di you ever saw a wiz cast 5 skill in one second?? I playing mystic now and I love the fact that Im actually "playing the class" not just 3 spark > autohit

People who has 5 aps, r9 sins are huge CS that a few thousand dollars they expended on their sins are nothing. I had spent some money on my sin but I wouldnt be so upset to loose it for the sake of the game. Just remove the class and lets actually play the game.
PS: you ever see any wiz doing NV lately?
Also I lmao reading Kitamura's enterview when he said he never spent a dollar in the game. REally??? what you think:

-Lv105 Demon Rank8/9 Assassin
-Lv101 Rank9 Seeker
-Lv102 Demon Veno -Lv101 Sage Cleric Full R9
-Lv101 Sage Barbarian (Soon full Shadow of Nirvana)
-Lv9x Sage Psychic (why not) -Lv100 Demon Assassin (why only 2 when you can have 3)

humm.....kay.....maybe he spent 50 cents...lolb:thanks

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

So you just have to deal with the fact that they will never be deleted, since PWE can do what ever they want. lol b:sweat

im still working on my bribe

So i understand you are complaining about 5.0 in PvP? So lets take all the APS away from sins then, it's cheaper for me to get 182 Attack Levels anyway. Then I will one shot GoF crit even 95% of the barbs on the server. b:pleased

Ohhh nozzzzz we're still op even without aps? Broken class will be broken no matter what you QQ about so deal with it. b:bye

i am another one who agrees that sins are too op, but aps nerfing wont solve a thing. There are other classes that it helps without 5 aps. An axe/pole/sword bm and bow archers and axe barbs benfit by having int gear without being 5 aps. No one repeatedly disscusses how op 5 aps barbs are lol. The repeated arguement has been about sins. There should not be any nerfing of aps because this is a gear issuse not sin issue.

I can think of many pros/cons of each of the classes out there except sins. Sins have no fatal flaws such as other classes do to make them balanced. Like archers doing less damage at close range, casters have very little health and large amounts of channeling, barbs with lack of control and damage skills etc.

1) Sins can stealth when in trouble (near death)
2) Sins can 'jump' to a target, this removes the danger of picking targets, like when a bm has to run up to a wizzy the bm has to expect to get hit once or twice
3) very little chi is require for most of their skills, while wizzys need a ton etc
4) they can be in stealth as long as they want
5) I am in a big boy guild, and our sins have wonderful end game which is good for them, but their health is out of control- ive seen some sins with 8k-14k health with good refines. Most high DD classes cant reach that kind of health. It was one thing when most sins had like 5k buffed health, at least out of stealth they could get ganked, but now a 9k sin with a charm can get their one target killed and go back to stealth even when multiply targets see them.
6) they can use apo for strictly offensive reasons such as spark- de stealth - Dew of herb - target has no chance...while as most caster classes need apo when they are in trouble and need an escape route

****the class itself needs to be nerfed, not aps. At least with full r9 DD classes cant reach 5 aps, but this does not stop sins from being op. The sin class has stealth, high aps, high crit, and bloodpaint. (i personally hate the fact that they can jump to target, makes my wizzy unhappy lol)

****A class like this with sooooo many possitives, should have some limitations. IE venos dont have the best damage because they have a pet, wizzys have highest damage but lack health and defense and channeling is very long, barbs can tank and have great health, but cant have super high damage etc. WHAT ARE THE CONS OF BEING A SIN???? When people complain about 5 aps it makes me laugh because there are sooo many reasons sins are op, but they choose aps as their focus.

Can. Opener. Fish are for nomming. Don't play with your food, eat it.

yes but no has yet to answer the question: what are the cons of an sin that make them balanced? I can think of some for each class, but the sins...

A 5.0 nerf won't really fix sins....
-invincible in stealth
-self buffs can't be purged
-able to glitch exploit power dash without dropping stealth
-very long-lasting control skills (stun, sleep, paralyze, and seal... wtf?)
-Ridiculously high spike damage with Zerk Weapons + Wolf Emblem + Chill of Deep
-35 meter range
-50% chance to resist being stunned
-cannot be killed through deaden nerves
-free chi everywhere

It's way too much. Assassin was the first new class the new devs made and they fked it up pretty bad. Have trouble picking between a DPS class and a DPH class? Pick assassin and have both!

As long as you have asshats that like being OP, and willing to dole out the dollars it takes to be OP, they wont fix ****..

Really wanna QQ to someone, QQ to your buddies that contribute to breaking the game.

Devs know that they ***** it up, but they don't care, people still spend money on PWI, so why should they redesign the class?

^ to bad a r9 sin cant go 5aps lol only 4aps =P problem fixed no more 5aps r9 sins ;D

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

A 5.0 nerf won't really fix sins....
-invincible in stealth
-self buffs can't be purged
-able to glitch exploit power dash without dropping stealth
-very long-lasting control skills (stun, sleep, paralyze, and seal... wtf?)
-Ridiculously high spike damage with Zerk Weapons + Wolf Emblem + Chill of Deep
-35 meter range
-50% chance to resist being stunned
-cannot be killed through deaden nerves
-free chi everywhere

It's way too much. Assassin was the first new class the new devs made and they fked it up pretty bad. Have trouble picking between a DPS class and a DPH class? Pick assassin and have both!

Let's not forget they can wield purge bows and deal more damage than most archers with their crit buffs and their daggers naturally get more damage range than fist/claws. Only useable by sins of course. And worst of all, a BM that leaps back to get out of stun-lock gets locked again by their stunning teleport. Their tidal protection evades 50% of all negative statuses, meaning hf, amp, sleep, anything except purge.

You guys still going on about 5.0, 1.25atk/sec r9 sins is still more OP then any other class P E R I O D. You guys are good for entertainment though.

PS: Please get rid of all APS so we can go back to QQing about venos, then after you take that away we can go back to QQ about wizards/archers one shotting and doing to much damage in PvP, then when you take away that we can all QQ about everyone quitting because everyone QQ'ed about nerfing everyone else. b:bye

Yeah, its not about the aps the problem. Sins are a all pros class with no cons. I think this was a way of PWE make lots of money saying: "Do you have lots of money? wanna beat everyone in the game? here you go...I made this class for ya... just buy gold, you dont even need to learn to play, just spark and auto hit....b:laugh