Demon vs Sage (different then others)

Demon, for full dmg and 5 aps.

100-150 vit is just like 1.7-2.4k hp in human form, the evasion, accuracy and claws worth that hp. Plus u can solo almost everything and u can pvp with claws if u have OI.

Claw's aren't totally restricted to demon, with sage you can get 4aps, which in most cases is enough, yeah Demon can get you 5 but that isn't a reason enough alone

Have a look at this site right here
http://www.ecatomb.net/skillwb.php
this show the demon and sage skills right next to each other so you can compare them directly.

I'd personal say Demon, as stated the 100% citrate you give your self, well, lets just say, you put that with a HF and your doing some serious dmg there, 5 seconds of 100% crit + A demon HF which doubles your dmg out put well, its self explanatory, not to mention if you devour just before as well, lets just say, things go BOOM

I do know some very badass Sage Barbs, I know a +10 geared 100 4aps sage barb with 18k hp, but he also has a 95+ Bm and a 101 Sin, so meh, he knows his cookies

Even with axes I'd say demons a more viable option, Im not totally sure about this but the damage difference between sage and demon is something like 3-12%

As for your stats with demon, you do not remove any Str at all you need at least 300str and 200 vit with gear on to be able to use both claws and axes, Plus, most of your hp comes from shards and mainly refines.

Not gonner walk all over the aps discussion in this thread but from an old fshioned tanking perspective sage barb with Sage flesh ream, Sage alcracity, Sage Beastial rage spammage means your always full chi. Never need too ask a veno for a spark again an it leaves you free too do all sorts of funky stuff that takes two sparks while tanking.

Trust me, after you do the funky stuff the wifey will give you a paw rub an a fresh pint of neat catnip so its always worth itb:chuckle

Lots of reasons to go sage though, but the paw rubs an catnip suprise off the wifey is always best

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i wonder if anyone has ever made a sage 4.0 claw barb? you could spam wind shield level 1 to increase the attack rate...

edit: nm

They have and it works quite well. I wouldn't go sage if I was only pure axe because you become unbalanced all tank and no dmg/aggro, but a sage clawbarian is pretty balanced because you are a little light on hp and defense from going 4.0 but then you can switch ornies and to axes, drop to tiger form and have more hp/defense than a demon barb has in tiger form. Basically you make an attack mode human form, and a defense mode tiger form. Tiger Form for pulls and "rescues" when the clerics dropped or can't heal you because she's rezzing someone, and actual tanking is done in human form. This way you get passed the reduce attack sage kitties have.

Dagnatic, think you meant 300 str, 200 dex (not 200 vit). Endgame claw barbs have the about 100 stats to play with after statting for rank 9 axes and G13 Nirvana claws, meaning you can still have about 100 base vitality on your barb and wear endgame claws, or be pure strength and have 350 str base, 400+ green.

Wind Shield on a sage barb would work but you are overwriting your sage sparks damage reduction. Still, its nice to have the option of DD or dmg reduction based on whether you spam Wind Shield or not. If you do, leave the skill at level 1.

Ruli, I can respect that having constant chi for invoke, sunder, ream spam is nice but at 5.0 aps chi takes you half a second to build (well, not really. 4 sparks in 15 seconds before beastial rage.) Also, as a claw barb your aggro comes from dmg so you're not spamming skills that cost chi which means you reserve alot more chi for when you need it.

If you plan on going claw, I'd consider the combos. Beastia Rage + Devour + Human + spark + Beastial Onslaught + claws and auto attack means you'll be getting 4 sparks in 12 seconds while DDing on a 50% pdef reduced mob/player with about a 60% crit rate, but then you go to just auto attacking after that or spamming Onslaught after your triple sparks. Sage you have the benefit of being able to weapon switch and PA for constant 45% pdef reduction, but less aps unless spamming genie skills. Both cases, tanking while standing up will allow you to quick switch weapons and rebuff anyone that dies from random aggro or aoes, but when you buff demon you give people a crit increase and extra chi during battles.

Not that it should make a difference but demon is cheaper to achieve high aps, and easier to maintain because you don't need as much genie spam.

Do you love TW and hate absolutely everything else + are a cash shopper?

If so then go A and pull catas.


If not then go C

if your gonna spend the money on those refines, you should probably go for g12 mana stones, for better armas

Dagnatic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Note the weapon... There wont be any use of skills....
Its a troll.. i couldn't help it

Its the weapon that makes that an illegitimate build? I thought it was the +200 strength, +2000 dex necklace that only exists in GMs dreams.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i wonder if anyone has ever made a sage 4.0 claw barb? you could spam wind shield level 1 to increase the attack rate...

edit: nm

Yep it's been done.

I know a sage clawbarb with deicides, 4.0APS and over 28K of HP. Not sure if there's anything that he can't solo except for WBs.