A non troll post by rawrgh about powerleveling
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I know people that didn't powerlevel, that still suck at their class... so it goes both ways.
I played My first char in grind mode, pre ALL the new FREE features people have avaiable today.. I learned every class not just from firsthand play, but having to group with other classes, i learned what their dynamic roles were in squad situations. So when I do Power level a toon... I already know what is expected of them.
I hate when people with mains that are only lvl 6x 7x see me power leveling a toon scream to me I won't know how to play my class. Even tho I could tell them in detail things they don't even know about their own mains.0 -
Meh i skimmed your post seemed a bit QQish on the people hate power levelers but oh well most do, get over it.
I myself did not take any of the tideborn on bh runs for at least 90 days after they came out and I will not allow in my squad or will drop if and earthgaurd is in there before 90 days from thier introduction.
Game is not hard to play but skills take a while to understnad how they effect everyone in a party and what exactly negative effects could be from them.
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Honestly running BH's with terrible players is the only real challenging PVE left in the game.
Ever try tanking 3-3 beast with a cleric that never heals? It's pretty tough on archer.
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I was a bit sceptical first of power lvl'n a new charecter but day by day I loose my intrest in the barb and just find now most runs are so boring the whole dynamics of a squad has changed the enjoyment I used to take of foward planning and being alert changed and now I find my self wanting to get out of most runs before they over or falling asleep during them I only enjoy TW on my barb. I dont bother with events being a mele axe user your not going to rank highly at all.
So I decided to make a Mystic got it to lvl 12 got bored...Tried a Seeker got to lvl 5 and got bored a cleric a veno all below lvl 10 thaught about making a Sin but that thaught did not last long and I came round to my sences made a BM got to lvl 5 and got bored....and have started to think maybe power leveling it to 30-40 would be my best option as I agree the early levels of the game are fun when you first play and its fresh but once you have done it all before it just becomes a chore.
People who say power leveled people do not know how to level are just being ignorant to the fact most of us have been playing with these classes for a long long time once you know the basics and do the research you can be as good as a person who has played it for years.02/07/2011 - Lost paitence with PWI sold all my gear bought packs and wasted my coin till it was gone... goodbye PWI b:bye0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Honestly running BH's with terrible players is the only real challenging PVE left in the game.
Ever try tanking 3-3 beast with a cleric that never heals? It's pretty tough on archer.
3 days ago I hate to tank the boss and the one brig yellow named looking boss after he one shot our cleric (and had to release). That wasn't fun. b:surrenderCurrently: pwcalc.com/b4c92dacf1da8c210 -
ValFera - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Meh i skimmed your post seemed a bit QQish on the people hate power levelers but oh well most do, get over it.
I myself did not take any of the tideborn on bh runs for at least 90 days after they came out and I will not allow in my squad or will drop if and earthgaurd is in there before 90 days from thier introduction.
Game is not hard to play but skills take a while to understnad how they effect everyone in a party and what exactly negative effects could be from them.
So nice to Troll the Troll for a change.
Might be a blessing to be dropped, or see you drop... I personally hate squading with arrogant people. Makes instant runs so dull...b:laugh0 -
"skills take a while to understand HOW THEY EFFECT EVERYONE IN A PARTY"ValFera - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Meh i skimmed your post seemed a bit QQish on the people hate power levelers but oh well most do, get over it.
I myself did not take any of the tideborn on bh runs for at least 90 days after they came out and I will not allow in my squad or will drop if and earthgaurd is in there before 90 days from thier introduction.
Game is not hard to play but skills take a while to understnad how they effect everyone in a party and what exactly negative effects could be from them.
So nice to Troll the Troll for a change.
"I didn't take tideborns to BH for 90 days"
So how exactly do you expect them to learn?
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »Difference is that lvl 100 who powerleveled might have caused failures in high level squads for a good 20 weeks or so, especially if this is a cleric we're talking about. The fact that this player is higher level but just as inexperienced is more annoying because they are participating in higher level content and expected to have better grasp of the game.
In the old days, a 9x cleric is pretty much ready to be thrust into any instance in the game. Now you have 10x clerics failing to purify on Polearm. Anyone remember TheMagicPimp's post with a screen shot of an 8x cleric dead in FB29? GG.
You can't trust levels anymore, and some are upset with that.
If the person knows what a "forum" is then its not all that hard to learn how to play a cleric. espcially if youve played clerics/healer classes on other games. its honestly not that hard of a concept to understand -_-
sure he might not know what the hell he is doing for a few days, but if he follows guides/search the cleric forums he can easily know how to play that class with practice. dont know how to purify during pole arm?
pop in the cleric forums, read a few post, and walla, he knows that u need to purify during polearm. hell reading your post right now and the cleric will know he is suppose to do that.
either way all he would have had to learn that even if he did it the normal way. lowelvls the cleric wont know what the **** they are doing. higher lvls that FCC all of there lvls wont know what the **** they are doing. ALL of that is learned by experience and gathering information about ur class by browsing forums. it is no diffrent at all.
20 weeks of party wipes at lvl 100 or 20 weeks of party wipes at lvls 2x-6x? whats the diffrence? a party wipe is a party wipe and ppl will rage and call u a noob regardless....
and btw 20 weeks is a hugely over estimated number. takes more like 2 weeks to learn ur class and the classes skills....0 -
Wolfixxxx - Lost City wrote: »If the person knows what a "forum" is then its not all that hard to learn how to play a cleric. espcially if youve played clerics/healer classes on other games. its honestly not that hard of a concept to understand -_-
sure he might not know what the hell he is doing for a few days, but if he follows guides/search the cleric forums he can easily know how to play that class with practice. dont know how to purify during pole arm?
pop in the cleric forums, read a few post, and walla, he knows that u need to purify during polearm. hell reading your post right now and the cleric will know he is suppose to do that.
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im sry but if someone has a brain in thier head and can read one of the eleventy thousand guides about how to build a class and take the time to read what skill does what on a guide and/or berfore they learn that skill i think they can play... also if they can figure out how to lvl so easy then i think they can figure out the game... learnig what to do in different FB/TT/FC/Nirvana/TW is another story... i had no clue how to run FC... went with a squad... asked where to hyper... payed ATTENTION... saw what boss did what damage... after one run i can take a noob squad in there and tell them how to run it...0
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SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »im sry but if someone has a brain in thier head and can read one of the eleventy thousand guides about how to build a class and take the time to read what skill does what on a guide and/or berfore they learn that skill i think they can play... also if they can figure out how to lvl so easy then i think they can figure out the game... learnig what to do in different FB/TT/FC/Nirvana/TW is another story... i had no clue how to run FC... went with a squad... asked where to hyper... payed ATTENTION... saw what boss did what damage... after one run i can take a noob squad in there and tell them how to run it...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this
when i first hypered FF i had no clue on what to do or where to hyper. but after the first run i was a expert at it. same with all the other instances and BHes. only takes 1 maybe 2 runs at max to get it all figured out. not that hard at all.
a guy named Hidden_Ninja on HT is a great solo FC plvler. he actually TEACHES YOU how to run a FC squad and teaches you where to hyper. and if your a sin he actually teaches you how to play your sin once you reach 100 when you start to solo instances. he does the same with other classes to. so part of it also has to do with players NOT BEING DOUCH BAG *******S and actually teach newcomers on what to do and such if they dont know how to do it..0 -
Same here my first FC run was epicaly fail died 3-4 times under instruction then the second run when I was allowed to do it my way at my speed I picked up my own traits and prefrences and ran it fine without a single death was a run maybe two after that I was taking people on training runs.02/07/2011 - Lost paitence with PWI sold all my gear bought packs and wasted my coin till it was gone... goodbye PWI b:bye0
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Lady Asterelle, if I created an archer on Sanctuary, can you power level me?0
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I learned more about cleric in FF squads than I have anywhere else in the game so far. I completely agree with the first post of this thread.. not everyone is ****. Don't get me wrong, I've met some complete morons in power leveling squads, but guess what? The majority of them weren't even earthguards!ValFera - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Meh i skimmed your post seemed a bit QQish on the people hate power levelers but oh well most do, get over it.
I myself did not take any of the tideborn on bh runs for at least 90 days after they came out and I will not allow in my squad or will drop if and earthgaurd is in there before 90 days from thier introduction.
Game is not hard to play but skills take a while to understnad how they effect everyone in a party and what exactly negative effects could be from them.
So nice to Troll the Troll for a change.
While even though I get power leveled for free on my mystic, I don't just sit there; I play my class. Ofc I'm no master of the class b:chuckle I learn something new every time I go on a run.
There's no way people are going to learn their role in squads as earthguards unless they can get in a squad. Refusing the class doesn't make them smarter, you're hindering their experience in the class while expecting them to become some sort of genius at it? I don't know the extent of your brain but that makes no sense to me b:sweat
But anyways, if someone wants to refuse me because of my class that's their loss, it's not my fault they're dense. I myself like to at least give people the chance. If they're completely stupid, I'm not against telling them so and kicking them/leaving the squad b:pleased0 -
I didn't really read the whole thing, but i get the idea of what you're saying. I don't really mind power-levelers if they actually understand the game. However there are ppl who power lvl, that have never played pwi or any mmo for that matter. Basically, if you don't know the basics of gaming, then you need to take your time until you do.0
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Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lady Asterelle, if I created an archer on Sanctuary, can you power level me?
Oh Teapot we've been poking you to reroll for SO LONG!Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Wolfixxxx - Lost City wrote: »If the person knows what a "forum" is then its not all that hard to learn how to play a cleric. espcially if youve played clerics/healer classes on other games. its honestly not that hard of a concept to understand -_-
sure he might not know what the hell he is doing for a few days, but if he follows guides/search the cleric forums he can easily know how to play that class with practice. dont know how to purify during pole arm?
pop in the cleric forums, read a few post, and walla, he knows that u need to purify during polearm. hell reading your post right now and the cleric will know he is suppose to do that.
either way all he would have had to learn that even if he did it the normal way. lowelvls the cleric wont know what the **** they are doing. higher lvls that FCC all of there lvls wont know what the **** they are doing. ALL of that is learned by experience and gathering information about ur class by browsing forums. it is no diffrent at all.
20 weeks of party wipes at lvl 100 or 20 weeks of party wipes at lvls 2x-6x? whats the diffrence? a party wipe is a party wipe and ppl will rage and call u a noob regardless....
and btw 20 weeks is a hugely over estimated number. takes more like 2 weeks to learn ur class and the classes skills....
The difference is that me, and the people that I know, don't have to deal with your 2x-6x party wipes. Behind every "do not squad" post on your faction forum is surely at least an hour of wasted time with a really bad player.
Sure it's an over-estimated number, but you get the point.
About learning to play a healer in this game, you have no clue whatsoever. You can't just read a guide and become a good cleric just like that. It takes knowing the bosses and being able to time your heals well to be a truly effective healer. Skill with timing especially shows when clerics use heals with longer channel. This takes practice and experience. You might be able to heal through an instance after having read forums and just stacking IH and using Puri at the right time, but that doesn't mean you're any good. Someone can dual box a cleric and do that on a macro too. A squad can run through a Warsong BH at probably half the time with a good cleric than an average cleric, having a pro cleric just gives the squad so much more options.
With DDs, skill makes MUCH less of a difference in PvE, the most you might see is if someone chains spark and immunities at the right time to survive that Nirvana boss AOE, or if a player uses apoc and skills to survive a hard boss for as long as possible when the party has wiped. However, with clerics skills do show a lot more.
That said, having run lower level instances do make a difference than having just hypered up. Lower level instances offer less difficult versions of what you face in 10x instances. There are mobs that AOE, kite, stun, freeze, there are bosses that do things TT3-x bosses do but just not as severely or as often. This is good practice.
The clerics that stand out among the people you know are almost always older players. Just think about that.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Suppose one can argue back and forth about powerleveling, but if you FC alt your char from level 1-60, wouldn't you have a MASSIVE lack of spirit points? 99% of exp in game has a 1-4 exp/sp ratio, the FC heads have a 1-24 ratio. Argue what you want, but it would be kinda hard to play a class with >1/6th the SP you should have by that level.0
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Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Suppose one can argue back and forth about powerleveling, but if you FC alt your char from level 1-60, wouldn't you have a MASSIVE lack of spirit points? 99% of exp in game has a 1-4 exp/sp ratio, the FC heads have a 1-24 ratio. Argue what you want, but it would be kinda hard to play a class with >1/6th the SP you should have by that level.
you should have more spirit pts than you know what to do with... i have always had a serious lack of spirit pts (and coin now) to lvl all my skills in the lvl 40-60ish range... i still have skilsl i havent trined by no money... i tried to make a lvl 80 genie so i could sell b/c i didnt have any coin... too back it only has 30/80 pts... but i think got 700k spirit pts from my 1st full run of FC...0 -
Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Suppose one can argue back and forth about powerleveling, but if you FC alt your char from level 1-60, wouldn't you have a MASSIVE lack of spirit points? 99% of exp in game has a 1-4 exp/sp ratio, the FC heads have a 1-24 ratio. Argue what you want, but it would be kinda hard to play a class with >1/6th the SP you should have by that level.
I have all my skills maxed and 16m leftover for 79 and sage skills when they come out.0 -
Hmmm think i will also say something to this...
First i was against power leveling cause i thought these people dont know how to play. I met some people who were lvl 102 and didnt know what oht is. But its not my main problem anymore, i also like to lvl fast and help out with hypers and fcc, even tho i am not leveling as fast as other people cause i dont have the money, and here we are at the real problem...
There are alot of people who spend alot of real money and get all the endgame stuff in a very short period of time, those people are not the main problem tho, but their actions make problems...just because all those people are having Hercs and 5.0 Bms/Sins, 50k hp barbs, instant channeling wizards/clerics/psychics or characters with rank 8/9 gear, they are also setting the expectations for other people very high..
I have a lvl 100 bm and i am playing the game for about 2 years BUT just because i am not 4.0 or 5.0 no one ever takes me on any nirvana runs. I was on maybe 10 nirvana runs in half a year. People from the top TW-factions i was on the run with were telling me i was doing amazing job, but to be an amazing BM isnt enough if you dont have the aps? All i see in WC is "looking for high aps", same goes for the venos, 2 years ago people were asking for a veno, today people ask for a herc, and that starts already at lvl 50.."searching for veno with herc for bh 39"...seriously?
And some people make me laugh so hard when i see them QQing about 200k repair cost but expecting a veno to have a 100mil herc. Why do you buy her a herc and she will pay your repair? Or if you want a high aps bm, then why dont you go and buy the interval gear for every bm?
It makes me sad to see how many people are expecting all that, just cause you have the money to buy the stuff doesnt mean everyone else does. Many people just dont think about what they do. It really s*cks when people dont care about you cause you dont fulfill their expectations. You should try to think how you would feel if you wouldnt have the money and no one would care about you cause you dont fulfill their expectations. Sadly most people are just comfortable and just enjoy what they have till they experiance something bad, and then they cry cause no one else is there for them.
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I don't know, I guess I'm kinda a story nerd, but I like to take my time with all my characters because I like to do the quests. When you really take the time and read the story line for these quests, I found this game, personally more enriching. I've been doing all my quests over and over again on my alts and I still find it interesting. BHs can be really boring I admit, but that's what questing and occasional hypering is for.
I have hypered in FF a few times, especially in the 80s where that huge wall starts hitting you in the face. -_- Do I agree with the way people powerlevel? Well not really I think you miss out on a lot, but *shrug* to each is their own I guess.
Is this game a huge grindfest if you don't powerlevel? Well yeah in the 80s and 90s...but that's why I have a veno for DQ grinding and merchanting >_>....<_< I know I'm weird but if I really get into my veno, some afternoons I just put on some good music and pet grind for a few hours, and then merchant the DQ items, I like being one with the game ._.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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As someone who actually like to do things "the old fashioned way", i have to agree with most of what the op says. If you play enough on one character, i think you see how others act in squads, and at the very least learn the basics to how to play them all.
My bigger issue, as the op mentioned, is the lack of early and mid game content. Why cant we have more quests like the tideborn chain, that are long, somewhat hard, have good rewards ( though not as much as the tideborn chain, but decent ). Also, i would love to see some minigames put in to pwi, to give us things to do besides grinding and instances. Other games i have played have a plethora of minigame, where you can gain exp and game currency in non traditional way, but still fun. Some even have their own unique awards.
Also, the "skills" is this game are fairly lame, other games have skills that can be difficult to specialize in, but are fairly profitable. This games skills ar nothing more then buy some mats, make things, repeat.
Also, if they made more race/class related skills/other things, then people may be tempted to play all classes slowly, rather them powerlevel them
In truth, i dont see why most people who can afford it would not powerlevel, its up to pwi to make people actually want to play midgame more, but they dont seem inclined to do so0 -
Also, if you want to insist that you have terribad squads at 100+ because of power leveling, then you're pretty much saying that you didn't power level to 100+, fair enough.
You mean to tell me though, that you are a even halfway decent player, who is at 100+, has been so for a while, and you don't have a group of friends you can run the instances with? I find this hard to believe.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Also, if you want to insist that you have terribad squads at 100+ because of power leveling, then you're pretty much saying that you didn't power level to 100+, fair enough.
You mean to tell me though, that you are a even halfway decent player, who is at 100+, has been so for a while, and you don't have a group of friends you can run the instances with? I find this hard to believe.
people would rather be in the "incrowd of QQers" like i have said before-- although the game has gone through some major changes in 2 years.... the biggest thing that has changed is people's attitudes and the types of people that playthis game... the noobs have always been around, people just like to complain more now-a-days-- maybe feeling above it all helps them to keep playing, who knows0 -
So when are we getting married.Mendy__ - Sanctuary wrote: »people would rather be in the "incrowd of QQers" like i have said before-- although the game has gone through some major changes in 2 years.... the biggest thing that has changed is people's attitudes and the types of people that playthis game... the noobs have always been around, people just like to complain more now-a-days-- maybe feeling above it all helps them to keep playing, who knows[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »With DDs, skill makes MUCH less of a difference in PvE, the most you might see is if someone chains spark and immunities at the right time to survive that Nirvana boss AOE, or if a player uses apoc and skills to survive a hard boss for as long as possible when the party has wiped. However, with clerics skills do show a lot more.
I am not sure if I like your examples here.
Surviving a boss in nirvana, that killed everyone else, and killing it (let's say Tyrant) can mean you have a squad wipe that cannot be rez'd.
b:sad
Meanwhile, holding pulling aggro off the cleric (or whoever else), stunning when it's good, freezing when it's good, timing your aggro so melee types get their maximum damage, doing high damage during damage amps, and so on can be useful.
And, sometimes just having game knowledge can be helpful.0
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