A non troll post by rawrgh about powerleveling
Rawrgh - Raging Tide
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This is a bit of a repost, I've edited it a bit, but I feel that this is something that needs to be said and heard.
The following statements are my opinion, they are not fact, and I'm sure some people enjoy early game.
This is the most boring game ever earlygame, in my opinion. I find the level 100 content offered far more interesting.
Pre endgame there's so little content it's a joke. No one will ever farm their TT armors, only weapons. FB/BH is insanely repetitive, at least BH100 there's more than 2 instances to get, and insanely easy, I've never had a problem with a BH/FB outside of FB29 (tanking FB29 with level 3 alacrity = cooldown is too long to cancel bosses magic attack constantly).
Pre endgame the weekly events are a joke. Celestial tiger? "oh look i got 120th in my class and a sadness card!" Dragon temple? "Oh look a chest!" *random level 100+ deals 15339 damage* Jungle ruins is the only one even really accessible before endgame. City of abominations? "Oh look im gonna farm for two hours and only get 1 kill, almost got two but a level 100 5 aps guy got the boss" Tournament? "wow this is so much fun, I think I saw another guy in here but it was a mirage!"
I see so many people bragging about how they get to do all their quests or w/e, too bad those quests are a joke.
Kill 50 mobs
Kill another 50 mobs
Kill another 50 mobs
Kill what is possibly the easiest boss ever
thx, heres .2% and 1/10th of a mirage
ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?!
Look, I'm not bashing on those who don't power level or w/e, but I'd like to see the same respect from them towards those of us who do.
It seems I can't read one thread without seeing someone feeling the need to bash on those who power level, and it's ridiculous.
"You don't know how to play your class!"
No, shut up. This game isn't complicated, stop pretending it is. I got my BM to level 60 by opening packs from the nein quest on him, to 70 with goshiki chain and BHs, and from 70 to 80 with BH orbs and BH , I just did BHs with him with high level friends soloing them for me, and yet I feel safe saying I play my BM fairly well, and the people I run BH with always ask me to go on more runs with them. This game isn't hard to learn.
"I went on ______ with (power leveled character) who did _____ wrong/didn't know about _____."
Stop it with the weak logic.
A guy who power leveled was bad with his class/game dynamics
Everyone who power levels is bad with his class/game dynamics.
In my last BH there was an archer who was terrible at his class and game dynamics
All archers are terrible at their class and game dynamics.
It just doesn't work like that, it's like a racial stereotype IRL, just because one or a few people do something doesn't mean all people with a similarity are the same.
I know a guy who did not power level. Got to 100 without alt FCs, without much hypering, took a while to get to 100.
He is easily the worst BM on the face of the planet. Just ask anyone on RT about a guy called the dual axe specialist, and they'll tell you all about the "dual axe specialist" who uses nothing but his TT99 gold axes and his TT90 gold fists, who uses fists to spam skills and his axes to auto attack, the one who auto attacks a TW crystal. It's not how the player leveled, it's the player himself.
"your class isn't complete!"
I would personally rather be a level 100 seeker without all my skills, than a level 50 seeker without all my skills. That's like saying not only should you not power level the class, you shouldn't even play it.
"there's nothing to do at endgame!"
Funny it's the players under level 60 saying this.
Endgame:
Nirvana, TT, trophy mode, PK, Delta, TW, lunar, BH, weekly events, and random playing around at 1k, oh and warsong.
Is there a lack of endgame content? Yes, but it's not like there's an overwhelming amount of earlygame content either. I was there, every early game content focuses on leveling up. There's quests, grinding, the worlds easiest BHs/FBs, and well... that's about it.
If you want to level the old way, that's fine, do so. Play the game the way you want to play it. But stop complaining about others. Your way of playing is not set in stone, it is not the end all be all, it is not the best way, it's is simply, YOUR way, and others might not find it so entertaining. Play the game your way and stop worrying about others doing things the way other than how you want them too.
This is an MMORPG, there are several ways to play it, and the beatuy of it is, they're all the right way (as long as you don't violate the TOS)
I have played several other MMOs, and after my last MMO (flyff) I was glad to see a game that was easier to level in, through the use of dailys such as crazy stone and world quest, this is what really hooked me. Later this was expanded into BH, and then 3 BH quests per day, with the following ones giving slightly less XP.
I'm glad to see games evolving past the typical korean grind to the maximum level over a period of 3 years with 6 hours a day. This game is a bit lacking in endgame content, but those games have NO endgame content. That's why they designed it to take so long to level, because very few, if any, ever reach the maximum level.
tl;dr version:
Play the game how you want to play it, and don't worry about what others do. If you see someone who truly doesn't know how to play his class then fine, just ignore him, but don't assume that everyone who power levels is bad, don't even assume that particular person is a power leveler, I seem to remember a certain gaurdianz archer with an S in his name who pretty much grinded to 100, and yet all I ever saw was people bash on how bad he was...
inb4 flames
Remember, even though you think no one should power level and we should all grind or w/e, you have to remember...
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The following statements are my opinion, they are not fact, and I'm sure some people enjoy early game.
This is the most boring game ever earlygame, in my opinion. I find the level 100 content offered far more interesting.
Pre endgame there's so little content it's a joke. No one will ever farm their TT armors, only weapons. FB/BH is insanely repetitive, at least BH100 there's more than 2 instances to get, and insanely easy, I've never had a problem with a BH/FB outside of FB29 (tanking FB29 with level 3 alacrity = cooldown is too long to cancel bosses magic attack constantly).
Pre endgame the weekly events are a joke. Celestial tiger? "oh look i got 120th in my class and a sadness card!" Dragon temple? "Oh look a chest!" *random level 100+ deals 15339 damage* Jungle ruins is the only one even really accessible before endgame. City of abominations? "Oh look im gonna farm for two hours and only get 1 kill, almost got two but a level 100 5 aps guy got the boss" Tournament? "wow this is so much fun, I think I saw another guy in here but it was a mirage!"
I see so many people bragging about how they get to do all their quests or w/e, too bad those quests are a joke.
Kill 50 mobs
Kill another 50 mobs
Kill another 50 mobs
Kill what is possibly the easiest boss ever
thx, heres .2% and 1/10th of a mirage
ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?!
Look, I'm not bashing on those who don't power level or w/e, but I'd like to see the same respect from them towards those of us who do.
It seems I can't read one thread without seeing someone feeling the need to bash on those who power level, and it's ridiculous.
"You don't know how to play your class!"
No, shut up. This game isn't complicated, stop pretending it is. I got my BM to level 60 by opening packs from the nein quest on him, to 70 with goshiki chain and BHs, and from 70 to 80 with BH orbs and BH , I just did BHs with him with high level friends soloing them for me, and yet I feel safe saying I play my BM fairly well, and the people I run BH with always ask me to go on more runs with them. This game isn't hard to learn.
"I went on ______ with (power leveled character) who did _____ wrong/didn't know about _____."
Stop it with the weak logic.
A guy who power leveled was bad with his class/game dynamics
Everyone who power levels is bad with his class/game dynamics.
In my last BH there was an archer who was terrible at his class and game dynamics
All archers are terrible at their class and game dynamics.
It just doesn't work like that, it's like a racial stereotype IRL, just because one or a few people do something doesn't mean all people with a similarity are the same.
I know a guy who did not power level. Got to 100 without alt FCs, without much hypering, took a while to get to 100.
He is easily the worst BM on the face of the planet. Just ask anyone on RT about a guy called the dual axe specialist, and they'll tell you all about the "dual axe specialist" who uses nothing but his TT99 gold axes and his TT90 gold fists, who uses fists to spam skills and his axes to auto attack, the one who auto attacks a TW crystal. It's not how the player leveled, it's the player himself.
"your class isn't complete!"
I would personally rather be a level 100 seeker without all my skills, than a level 50 seeker without all my skills. That's like saying not only should you not power level the class, you shouldn't even play it.
"there's nothing to do at endgame!"
Funny it's the players under level 60 saying this.
Endgame:
Nirvana, TT, trophy mode, PK, Delta, TW, lunar, BH, weekly events, and random playing around at 1k, oh and warsong.
Is there a lack of endgame content? Yes, but it's not like there's an overwhelming amount of earlygame content either. I was there, every early game content focuses on leveling up. There's quests, grinding, the worlds easiest BHs/FBs, and well... that's about it.
If you want to level the old way, that's fine, do so. Play the game the way you want to play it. But stop complaining about others. Your way of playing is not set in stone, it is not the end all be all, it is not the best way, it's is simply, YOUR way, and others might not find it so entertaining. Play the game your way and stop worrying about others doing things the way other than how you want them too.
This is an MMORPG, there are several ways to play it, and the beatuy of it is, they're all the right way (as long as you don't violate the TOS)
I have played several other MMOs, and after my last MMO (flyff) I was glad to see a game that was easier to level in, through the use of dailys such as crazy stone and world quest, this is what really hooked me. Later this was expanded into BH, and then 3 BH quests per day, with the following ones giving slightly less XP.
I'm glad to see games evolving past the typical korean grind to the maximum level over a period of 3 years with 6 hours a day. This game is a bit lacking in endgame content, but those games have NO endgame content. That's why they designed it to take so long to level, because very few, if any, ever reach the maximum level.
tl;dr version:
Play the game how you want to play it, and don't worry about what others do. If you see someone who truly doesn't know how to play his class then fine, just ignore him, but don't assume that everyone who power levels is bad, don't even assume that particular person is a power leveler, I seem to remember a certain gaurdianz archer with an S in his name who pretty much grinded to 100, and yet all I ever saw was people bash on how bad he was...
inb4 flames
Remember, even though you think no one should power level and we should all grind or w/e, you have to remember...
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The whole purpose of pre-endgame Tournament is to level up fast, as all it offers is an exp reward, and a big exp reward at that. It's the power levelers that know what they're doing who go to Tournament, sometimes on their mains and an alt.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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bored much? but just wondering why did you post this when you have already said it? and most ppl who QQ about power lvlers are the same ppl who CANNOT power lvl... i mean i wish i was lvl 101 today but i cannot be that high b/c i lack the lvl 101 player to lvl myself and/or funds to pay ppl to lvl me... *cough* need a high lvl to take me under thier wing and help me lvl *cough* but i dont QQ on them...0
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Yes, I am.SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »bored much? but just wondering why did you post this when you have already said it? and most ppl who QQ about power lvlers are the same ppl who CANNOT power lvl... i mean i wish i was lvl 101 today but i cannot be that high b/c i lack the lvl 101 player to lvl myself and/or funds to pay ppl to lvl me... *cough* need a high lvl to take me under thier wing and help me lvl *cough* but i dont QQ on them...
And I doubt many people would end up reading the fourth page of a topic thats on like, page 5.
I felt this needed to be put out there, since it's just so damn annoying everywhere you go, people talk about how they don't power level, how power leveled people can't play their class, etc.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I'm a Mystic...why the hell is my avatar a level 16 Cleric? o_O0 -
The problem with hyperlvling is not that its creating nub players who can't play their class at end game, rather its that its allowing nub players to REACH endgame.
Sure, whatever. You got your bm to 10x in a short time and you figured out what skills to use and what not. Good for you.
However, for the idiots who would normally be stuck at 2x because they can't figure out what the stat points do can now easily reach 9x without any hard effort because of frost. Makes it even worse if they are excessive cash shoppers and all they know how to do in this game is press o and get ****.
The issue was never with skipping all the low lvl ****, the issue is when the noobs do it and then get into squads without a single clue on how the game works.0 -
Shutup troll, stop trolling.I
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Kurra - Lost City wrote: »The problem with hyperlvling is not that its creating nub players who can't play their class at end game, rather its that its allowing nub players to REACH endgame.
Sure, whatever. You got your bm to 10x in a short time and you figured out what skills to use and what not. Good for you.
However, for the idiots who would normally be stuck at 2x because they can't figure out what the stat points do can now easily reach 9x without any hard effort because of frost. Makes it even worse if they are excessive cash shoppers and all they know how to do in this game is press o and get ****.
The issue was never with skipping all the low lvl ****, the issue is when the noobs do it and then get into squads without a single clue on how the game works.
This game isn't hard to understand, ijs.Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.0 -
"You don't know how to play your class!"
No, shut up. This game isn't complicated, stop pretending it is. I got my BM to level 60 by opening packs from the nein quest on him, to 70 with goshiki chain and BHs, and from 70 to 80 with BH orbs and BH , I just did BHs with him with high level friends soloing them for me, and yet I feel safe saying I play my BM fairly well, and the people I run BH with always ask me to go on more runs with them. This game isn't hard to learn.
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Depraved - Raging Tide wrote: »This game isn't hard to understand, ijs.
I never said it was. There are still noob players though.0 -
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Stop trolling the troll you troll.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kurra - Lost City wrote: »The problem with hyperlvling is not that its creating nub players who can't play their class at end game, rather its that its allowing nub players to REACH endgame.
The issue was never with skipping all the low lvl ****, the issue is when the noobs do it and then get into squads without a single clue on how the game works.
If they can reach end game and join squads, they should be smart enough to read the damn skills and press them correctly. I think I do understand your point though, I met a Mystic once who didn't know anything about a Genie and was asking me what her build should be and this was a level 77 Mystic asking a Seeker.Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.0 -
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Depraved - Raging Tide wrote: »If they can reach end game and join squads, they should be smart enough to read the damn skills and press them correctly.
You would think, but there is always a noob who can't play the game right.
Its probably due to me getting into random squads for bhs and such, but there is always an idiot with noob gear and lack of skills that somehow makes it into the higher levels.0 -
Kurra - Lost City wrote: »The problem with hyperlvling is not that its creating nub players who can't play their class at end game, rather its that its allowing nub players to REACH endgame.
Sure, whatever. You got your bm to 10x in a short time and you figured out what skills to use and what not. Good for you.
However, for the idiots who would normally be stuck at 2x because they can't figure out what the stat points do can now easily reach 9x without any hard effort because of frost. Makes it even worse if they are excessive cash shoppers and all they know how to do in this game is press o and get ****.
The issue was never with skipping all the low lvl ****, the issue is when the noobs do it and then get into squads without a single clue on how the game works.If you see someone who truly doesn't know how to play his class then fine, just ignore him, but don't assume that everyone who power levels is bad, don't even assume that particular person is a power leveler, I seem to remember a certain gaurdianz archer with an S in his name who pretty much grinded to 100, and yet all I ever saw was people bash on how bad he was...
Then just remember not to squad with them, and ignore them.
Or would you rather sit there going "dammit they shouldn't be allowed to reach endgame"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I skimmed through this mainly looking at the quotes you posted....
and while I can agree with most of what you said, I do have to argue that there are people who pay for plvl'ing service that fail to even grasp the basic concept of their class :S
Then again, those are usually the people who drop a **** ton of money on this game, get full +12 gear and go kill lowbies..while bragging about it <.<...
Anyhow,
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This isn't from me, but possibly the best line ever.
Someone may power level a new class to 100 in a single week, and you may level it to 100, in 100 days. After those 100 days, you both still have played the class for 100 days.0 -
Like I said, just because some ppl who plvl are bad at their class/game dynamics doesn't mean that plvling means you don't learn your class or you're gonna be a bad player.
Besides, bad players have always been able to reach endgame, all you have to do is auto attack mobs long enough and you reach endgame eventually. I've already given two examples of players who leveled to 100 without spamming hypers/alt FCs and are terrible.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I do actually agree with most of what you said. Players really shoud be able to enjoy the game as they see fit. Tbh I personally think alt fc's are more of an exploit than an intended feature, however, I won't hold it against those who do them. As you've already stated the rate at which you level really isn't going to determine whether or not you're a good player.
The only thing I can submit as to why so many complain about powerleveling, is the fact it takes away from the playerbase willing to help with things like bh39, questing & such for those who are trying to level up the "old" or "intended" way. If everyone powerlevels to endgame, who's gonna teach the noobs how to play? .........0 -
Difference is that lvl 100 who powerleveled might have caused failures in high level squads for a good 20 weeks or so, especially if this is a cleric we're talking about. The fact that this player is higher level but just as inexperienced is more annoying because they are participating in higher level content and expected to have better grasp of the game.
In the old days, a 9x cleric is pretty much ready to be thrust into any instance in the game. Now you have 10x clerics failing to purify on Polearm. Anyone remember TheMagicPimp's post with a screen shot of an 8x cleric dead in FB29? GG.
You can't trust levels anymore, and some are upset with that.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Then just remember not to squad with them, and ignore them.
Or would you rather sit there going "dammit they shouldn't be allowed to reach endgame"
If it was that simple, this wouldn't be an issue.
My blacklist wouldn't be able to ignore all the idiots that I run into.
It also gets quite annoying when it takes a while to form a group and then realize that at least half are full of idiots after starting a run.0 -
Is it really that hard to remember not to squad with someone?
"In the old days" I remember hearing PLENTY of times where a cleric messed up something really badly.
And besides, sometimes people just **** things up on accident, they're tired, they're drunk, they're not paying attention, it's not uncommon.
Oh, and that 8x cleric never even made it to 90.If it was that simple, this wouldn't be an issue.
My blacklist wouldn't be able to ignore all the idiots that I run into.
It also gets quite annoying when it takes a while to form a group and then realize that at least half are full of idiots after starting a run.
First of all, you're exaggerating. Either that or for some reason the people who can play well choose not to go with you. Half the people? Really? Give me a break.
Hell, just run with your guild, is that hard? I do BH100 every day that I'm online, and it's always with at least 4 other guild members.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
All archers are terrible at their class and game dynamics.
Quoted for Truth
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Having no one to squad with will make sure this player sucks even more, whereas if the player leveled up more slowly, he/she would have been much better off. I guess the conclusion is that people just need to figure out what they can handle before power leveling.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
First of all, you're exaggerating. Either that or for some reason the people who can play well choose not to go with you. Half the people? Really? Give me a break.
Hell, just run with your guild, is that hard? I do BH100 every day that I'm online, and it's always with at least 4 other guild members.
But my point is, I never run with the same idiot twice. Its always someone new that I haven't seen before. Blacklist doesn't help if you keep on running into other people.
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »This is a bit of a repost, I've edited it a bit, but I feel that this is something that needs to be said and heard.
The following statements are my opinion, they are not fact, and I'm sure some people enjoy early game.
Endgame:
Nirvana, TT, trophy mode, PK, Delta, TW, lunar, BH, weekly events, and random playing around at 1k, oh and warsong.
Don't forget the Cube Of Fate b:pleased
I also have to agree we don't do enough Trophy Mode on RT. I'd like to see some of those "I'm bored" people get their *** handed to them in the FB99 while speed running it.
Also in regards to 'that APS cloak' and what-not. Back in our dying Utopia server more than likely you'd have to probably do Success Mode / Trophy Mode for it, and 9.9/10 times they'd always complete it.
Not saying anyone in particular couldn't do it. Just I find it interesting that people always go "I'm bored", ijs.
I was going to add something else here but I've forgotten what it was. If I think of it I'll get back to you.
Time won't wake/make you wiser, but it will definitely wound you.
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Like I said, it's true that some players who power leveled are bad at their class.
It's also true that some people who didn't power level are bad at their class.
In fact, at least for people who don't cash shop, I noticed that people who power level usually tend to be better. Since in order to get the coins necessary for hypers/FC runs, they need to be able to make coins which people who are bad usually can't do.
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