New classes overpowered

safyres
safyres Posts: 5 Arc User
edited March 2011 in General Discussion
Does anyone else who is NOT currently playing a seeker/mystic (and therefore enjoying the awesome overpoweredness) think these classes are WAY too powerful? AND I've been seeing complaints about needing mirage celestones, etc for a COUPLE of their skills/spells....because they're not stupidly powerful enough already? Let's make it better?
Anyone else think a nerf HAS to be incoming? Share your thoughts!
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  • Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear
    Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    dunno what you have been smoking but the seeker atleast is anythign BUT over powered, it is massivly underpowered IMO. Got mine to 61 and am just bored of it, fed up of using a sword only and having a lack of versatility

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  • Belgare - Sanctuary
    Belgare - Sanctuary Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Lol @ Seekers being OP. I swear their claymores are more like feather dusters. And their plate must be made of cotton, the pot thirsty POS's.
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  • BerserkBeast - Sanctuary
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    safyres wrote: »
    Does anyone else who is NOT currently playing a seeker/mystic (and therefore enjoying the awesome overpoweredness) think these classes are WAY too powerful?!

    Why I failed to understand the sense of this sentence?
    Anddd.....you just making a generic sentence without any form of example/proof of this so called"Overpowered",capabilities of the new classes.

    I only played Mystic so far and I don't see anything too much unbalanced,Tideborn expansion was much worse(Sin OP threads overflooding the forums).
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  • safyres
    safyres Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I understand the higher limitations because of wep restr. However, my cleric just got done helping a 50 Seeker kill Khewy solo......which is nuts....they just take and do too much damage, both. That's basically what equilized the BM vs. Barb...one could dam, one could tank. Generally speaking, I agree that the Mystic is the more overpowered of the two.

    Also, I would like to point out that the people who replied are BOTH playing the class they claimed was not overpowered....um....clearly asked for unbiased opinions.....
  • Kokki - Harshlands
    Kokki - Harshlands Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Mystics hit pretty damn hard, but they go no control skills whatsoever, so they die alot in PvP. They are a very good support class in PVE with some nice buffs/heals to off heal like a bm used to be an off tank.

    seeker are very underpowered, they lack control skills as well, altho they have some very nice group buffs and a movable aoe

    so all in all a pretty balanced expansion, so once they nerf the sins it's a very goods balanced game again. More then most P2P i've ever seen
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  • safyres
    safyres Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why I failed to understand the sense of this sentence?
    QUOTE]

    Please don't mock my sentence structure and follow up with the incomplete sentence above....

    Anyway, as per request...

    I stated in previous post that I watched a Seeker SOLO Khewy with only a cleric. I watched BOTH seekers and mystics kill Wicked Pirates at LOWEST lvl req. with NO help. And with no problem. I've played several classes, and I know how long it takes to kill most mobs (average time/effort) and these classes are WHIPPING through them. So....even if you don't think they are OVERpowered, they are still more powerful than previously existing classes IMO.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Kokki - Harshlands wrote: »
    Mystics hit pretty damn hard, but they go no control skills whatsoever,

    their stun worked pretty darn well on my seeker just last night. ya, i know, duels don't count, but i still got my butt spanked by a same-level (actually i think he was lower-level) mystic in no time flat, didn't even have a chance to reply.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    safyres wrote: »
    I stated in previous post that I watched a Seeker SOLO Khewy with only a cleric.

    that word, "solo". i don't think it means what you think it means.
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  • Kaneharo - Dreamweaver
    Kaneharo - Dreamweaver Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Every year, this same exact argument pops up: X is overpowered. Last year, it was the TBs. I can't remember what it was the year before that, And it isn't that the classes are overpowered, Part of it's that you already know what to expect, so things seem a bit easier, at least in terms of PVE anywho. The other part is, each class has a strength in a certain area, and some stand out more than others. This is especially noticable in the EGs, which have skills more suited to PvE, or the TBs, especially in the case of the sins, who are more attributed to PvP skills.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Just like other classes: they're going to do something exceptionally well while being weak in an other area. -Otherwise it would be pointless to bring out new classes. Seeker may seemed underpowered, but at Lv. 85 can tank and primary DD for RB delta. -Now imagine doing Delta in a 3 person squad.
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  • Kaneharo - Dreamweaver
    Kaneharo - Dreamweaver Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    that word, "solo". i don't think it means what you think it means.

    Also, this line? Quoted for awesomeness.
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  • Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear
    Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    anyone who thinsk Seekers are anywhere neer overpowered has some kind of brain disfuction

    they are wuss as f.k
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  • TobiasTiger - Lost City
    TobiasTiger - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    safyres wrote: »
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why I failed to understand the sense of this sentence?

    Please don't mock my sentence structure and follow up with the incomplete sentence above....

    Anyway, as per request...

    I stated in previous post that I watched a Seeker SOLO Khewy with only a cleric. I watched BOTH seekers and mystics kill Wicked Pirates at LOWEST lvl req. with NO help. And with no problem. I've played several classes, and I know how long it takes to kill most mobs (average time/effort) and these classes are WHIPPING through them. So....even if you don't think they are OVERpowered, they are still more powerful than previously existing classes IMO.

    If the seeker had a cleric then he did NOT "solo" Khewy. If the seeker had killed Khewy WITHOUT a cleric THEN he "solo'd" Khewy. Until you understand the definitioin of "solo" don't complain about an OP class.
  • safyres
    safyres Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ok points for funny.....

    My point was they didnt really need help killing Khewy....yay for saving your charm.
  • Belgare - Sanctuary
    Belgare - Sanctuary Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I soloed BH69 the other day on my Cleric...and I had a full squad with me. XD
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  • hunterb
    hunterb Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    stop your flippin' whiningb:laugh
  • Heartstone - Dreamweaver
    Heartstone - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    if anything they'r underpowered. seeker seems most left to dust.. mystic little better.. but nothing scary at all...
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  • Kaneharo - Dreamweaver
    Kaneharo - Dreamweaver Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    ****, forgot the name of that water boss you have to defeat around 50 or so off the coast of the City of Misfortune? Soloed THAT with a cleric, and a low level. :P
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  • GeneticWaste - Raging Tide
    GeneticWaste - Raging Tide Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i play seeker and for a 2 handed sword he is not atm so powerfull like many he think he was its for me a nice class with good combos in it and nice debuff skills

    i think sin are stil way to over powered in my few ^^
  • Manhore - Lost City
    Manhore - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Kaneharo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Every year, this same exact argument pops up: X is overpowered. Last year, it was the TBs. I can't remember what it was the year before that, And it isn't that the classes are overpowered, Part of it's that you already know what to expect, so things seem a bit easier, at least in terms of PVE anywho. The other part is, each class has a strength in a certain area, and some stand out more than others. This is especially noticable in the EGs, which have skills more suited to PvE, or the TBs, especially in the case of the sins, who are more attributed to PvP skills.

    i completely agree with you there, i played a sin, i played a mage, a barb, a seeker, a veno, an archer, and they all have something in common, they can all dd, in pve, some excel more so than others, and some excel in pvp (the sin, mages and archers) more so than others...

    to my final point, i believe seekers are more pve based than pvp...but im sure they can deal with crowd control in gv, large populated mob area's with the help of a veno or a cleric for heals or a bm for stuns...

    @ the author of the thread

    regardless if you really consider a seeker over powered theres something wrong with you, im sure you started to QQ about the sin being overpowered when they came out...now quit whining and get on with your life, im sure you have better things to do then QQ on forums
  • Arocus - Archosaur
    Arocus - Archosaur Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    It's not that hard to do Khewy at that level with a cleric... My BM did that.

    And no. These new classes aren't OP. I really like squadding with mystics (heals and rez!) and seekers' moves aren't OP at all.

    Oh no wait. Mystics ARE OP at KS'ing at low levels. b:angry
  • Haden - Dreamweaver
    Haden - Dreamweaver Posts: 376 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    safyres wrote: »

    I stated in previous post that I watched a Seeker SOLO Khewy with only a cleric. I watched BOTH seekers and mystics kill Wicked Pirates at LOWEST lvl req. with NO help. And with no problem. I've played several classes, and I know how long it takes to kill most mobs (average time/effort) and these classes are WHIPPING through them. So....even if you don't think they are OVERpowered, they are still more powerful than previously existing classes IMO.

    Soloing khewy would mean they're doing it alone, not with a cleric.

    Further, the statement about Wicked pirates is kinda flawed, I used to aoe grind on them at like 50, for fun, with no help. Admittingly it was hard, but when blessings came out the game became tame. Seekers and mystics are kinda built to be aoe fiends, so making a statement like this is invalid.

    Seekers/mystics though do feel like they have a minute edge over the other classes in their dmg they deal, but this is because they deal a lot of elemental damage. They cant use fists, so they need to deal a tad more dmg than other melee classes. If archers couldnt use fists, you'd compare them to eachother in retrospect.
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  • Serrinity - Sanctuary
    Serrinity - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    that word, "solo". i don't think it means what you think it means.

    What she said. A seeker taking on khewy with a cleric is called "tanking" hun, not soloing. Solo=solo=solo=single=alone=no one else.

    So far I only have a lvl16 seeker and 24 mystic and I believe it really takes lvl40 or so before you can get a good idea of a class. So far I would agree seekers are underpowered. My mystic 1-3 shot mobs she needed for quests and did in fact seem over powered. My seeker, however, can only take about 4 mobs before she has to meditate. HP pots are not enough as low lvl pots are pretty useless. Much like the tideborn quests, it seems that the earthguard quests are very easy. The mobs seem much weaker than the ones needed for quests for the original three races. Despite this, I find my seeker frustrating. Granted, I haven't bought any gear because the quests usually gives nice ones. And I haven't focused on those quests but either way it's not looking good.

    Mystic has a fast heal and pet heal and attacks. Their skills do a lot of damage or healing with very short cast/channel/cooldowns. So far they seem overpowered although I hear mystics start off well but become less overpowered over time.

    Personally, I don't care if a class is overpowered or underpowered. I do not pvp, not even duels. I play for fun. I enjoy playing all my characters (one of each class plus heavy armor fox veno for fun.) While seeker seems weak, I do certainly enjoy playing it. No, it's not my favorite class, but I do like how they sort of have timing combos. For example, the northern sky buff along with staggering strike. It gives the feeling playing action rpg video games where different button combinations and such depend on timing. This IS pwi however so it's not really the same, but I do like it. It brings a new twist to things. Same for mystic. Like when the tideborn came out it introduced stealth and detection, rage damage, atk and def lvl, soulforce, etc.

    That IS new content for those that complain.

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  • Jellytoast - Sanctuary
    Jellytoast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    safyres wrote: »
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why I failed to understand the sense of this sentence?
    QUOTE]

    Please don't mock my sentence structure and follow up with the incomplete sentence above....

    Anyway, as per request...

    I stated in previous post that I watched a Seeker SOLO Khewy with only a cleric. I watched BOTH seekers and mystics kill Wicked Pirates at LOWEST lvl req. with NO help. And with no problem. I've played several classes, and I know how long it takes to kill most mobs (average time/effort) and these classes are WHIPPING through them. So....even if you don't think they are OVERpowered, they are still more powerful than previously existing classes IMO.

    If they were charmed, duh. But I watched my husband on his seeker try to do wicked pirates last night uncharmed, and he died. Just like anyone else would... And for being overpowered tanking stuff, you do realize this is an HA class right? They're meant to be like that. >.>

    But if you think they're overpowered, just quit playing if you're that concerned.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Serrinity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So far I only have a lvl16 seeker and 24 mystic and I believe it really takes lvl40 or so before you can get a good idea of a class. So far I would agree seekers are underpowered. My mystic 1-3 shot mobs she needed for quests and did in fact seem over powered. My seeker, however, can only take about 4 mobs before she has to meditate. HP pots are not enough as low lvl pots are pretty useless. Much like the tideborn quests, it seems that the earthguard quests are very easy. The mobs seem much weaker than the ones needed for quests for the original three races. Despite this, I find my seeker frustrating. Granted, I haven't bought any gear because the quests usually gives nice ones. And I haven't focused on those quests but either way it's not looking good.

    i got my seeker to level 20 last night; wanted 25, but ran out of time. i don't know if i'd call it underpowered yet, but the class is definitely not OMGPWNZ that early in the game.

    i'm not meditating much on the seeker. i'm using the low-level HP potions, but i'm constantly hitting the hotkey for them, it seems --- if i'm in combat, i can barely allow that to cool down. running back to NPCs to turn in quests often is what lets my HP bar fill all the way back up. and this is with a 1 vit-per-level build, too.

    the quest reward armor through the first 20 levels is disappointing to mediocre, on the seeker. i'd recommend you take a look at a tailor's wares; a set of regular one-star HA legs that dropped from a mob was a big upgrade from what the quests had me wearing at the time. granted, i didn't wear either of those armors for long before outleveling them...

    what's frustrating is waiting for eye of the northern sky to proc onto a mob and watching its hp bar race my own to the bottom, wondering if i'll get to use that stance at all on that particular mob, knowing i'd oneshot the thing if only that'd come through...
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    tweakz wrote: »
    Just like other classes: they're going to do something exceptionally well while being weak in an other area. -Otherwise it would be pointless to bring out new classes. Seeker may seemed underpowered, but at Lv. 85 can tank and primary DD for RB delta. -Now imagine doing Delta in a 3 person squad.
    Seeker tanking delta at 85? BS.
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  • Bentus - Dreamweaver
    Bentus - Dreamweaver Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Khewy = ranged physical attack type boss (i.e. archer type boss) = -50% dmg at melee range = Any HA class should be able to charm tank it or with help of a healer and pots.

    Seeker does seem to have slightly more damaging skills compared to barbs and BMs and a couple of amps and debuffs which might make them seem better.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    None of the physical classes were omfgpwn at early levels. Almost all of them needed hp regen pills, remember that? I actually killed Wicked Pirate successfully with my wiz and cleric when they got the Oracles from supply stash. Couldn't do it with BM without help lol
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  • Belgare - Sanctuary
    Belgare - Sanctuary Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh no wait. Mystics ARE OP at KS'ing at low levels.

    Yea, that's the truth. On my Seeker there is no damn way I can hold a kill if a mystic decides he or she will KS me as if I'm invisible.
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  • fuzzywuzz
    fuzzywuzz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Thus far the new earthguard do look promising, however, Fuzzy wonders if we should save the "OP new class" discussion until after their skill tree is actually complete? b:surrender
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