Mystics replacing Clerics?

Ok I will admit that when I saw the Mystics Skills I was a little upset. I don't think that Clerics are being replaced but I did feel that my Cleric isn't so special anymore. The Mystics Skills are comparable the the Clerics in cast time, cooldown and mana cost with a few exceptions. The mana cost and cooldown on the Mystics Res is a little steep but they will learn how to adapt their skills like we all did. They don't have a purify and we do. Ok but there are only a few times where you absolutely need to purify. From what I have seen of the Mystic skills I am sure that they can solo heal a squad very effectively in most situations. As I think about it more there really is no reason to be upset because there is another class that can do some of what I can with my cleric. Do I get upset when there is another cleric in my squad? No, we work together to finish the job. So if in the future I happen to find a Mystic in my squad I'm sure that we will also work together to get the job done. I welcome the new Healers to the game and you never know I just might make one myself.

Quinarella - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok I will admit that when I saw the Mystics Skills I was a little upset. I don't think that Clerics are being replaced but I did feel that my Cleric isn't so special anymore. The Mystics Skills are comparable the the Clerics in cast time, cooldown and mana cost with a few exceptions. The mana cost and cooldown on the Mystics Res is a little steep but they will learn how to adapt their skills like we all did. They don't have a purify and we do. Ok but there are only a few times where you absolutely need to purify. From what I have seen of the Mystic skills I am sure that they can solo heal a squad very effectively in most situations. As I think about it more there really is no reason to be upset because there is another class that can do some of what I can with my cleric. Do I get upset when there is another cleric in my squad? No, we work together to finish the job. So if in the future I happen to find a Mystic in my squad I'm sure that we will also work together to get the job done. I welcome the new Healers to the game and you never know I just might make one myself.

Tbh they cant do what we do as well as us, their aoe heal heals for less and has a6 sec cool down, so they wont be able to replace us in fc. Their heals are also expensive as hell to cast so im pretty sure they wont WANT to be pure healers in parties. if anything they will be our back up heal slaves.

They also cant buff or spam rez lke us XD





I dont know what all this about them healing harder is about either...lets look at their hardest hitting heal.

Comforting mist
3.5 chan
1 cast
6 Cooldown

720 hp and 18% of base magic.

Clerics strongest heal

stream of rejuvenation
2.5 chan
1 cast
1 cool down

Heals 1230 hp and 30% of magic damage and an additional 1230 over 15 secs.

in terms of sheer healing power we blow them out of the water, into the air, ho slap them around a few times and then blow them back into the water

Even chromatic healing beam out heals their strongest heal by about 300 points and 2% magic damage, and its cool down is half of the mystics...i wont even bring up BB

Lets see about the BH instances (assuming the squad is the right lvl for the bh):

BH29: I could see a mystic being able to heal. Yeah, totally doable.

BH39: You will need purify from the poison/mana drain mobs and Calcid, you will need IH stack for Farren because the tank needs to be healed WHILE you're popping WS on ppl who get into AoE, you will need to spam AoE heal at kaboomers and hp-drain mobs. So...cleric.

BH51: Fushma could be doable. Ranker probably not because once again, the tank needs IH stack so he/she is receiving heals while healer is taking care of idiots in AoE. You also need purify on Wyrven every now and then. So...cleric

BH59: You need to purify even arcane tanks in this one. Squads usually ask for BB on bosses that don't require puri. Oh, and you'll need puri for the mobs as well. So...cleric. (Tho, if the squad is careful you could make it on bosses that dont require puri)

BH69: I dont even need to explain this one...cleric.

BH79: A mystic should be able to get through this one...

BH100:
HH3-3: Cleric. You need the buffs + Aoe heals + purify.
WS-Snake- If squad was careful you could do it without a cleric. If you plan on doing the non-glitch way, you will need a cleric for BB.
WS Cannon- Cleric. Many tanks need serious stacking to tank that boss. Some even require sage vanguard. And most squads need BB unless they plan on killing the mobs 1 by 1.
SoT: If squad is careful and powerful, could manage with a mystic.
Abaddon: Cleric. You need puri + BB and/or spam AoE healing.
GV2: Cleric for BB and buffs.
GV3: Cleric for BB and buffs.


Instances:

Frost: Doable with a mystic at high lvls with OP people. Lower lvls..need a cleric for BB, puri at poleboss, RB for heads/elementos. BB at holeen. AoE spam on 3rd boss and boss before big room.

Nirvana: Depends totally on the squad. Some don't need cleric or mystic, ijs.



Im tired and I'm sure Ive missed several instances, so please feel free to add some. But
from what I'm seeing, mystics are fantastic spot healers, but lack the toolbox a cleric has to keep the squad alive. I think clerics are pretty dam safe from being replaced as the solo healers.

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

Lets see about the BH instances (assuming the squad is the right lvl for the bh):

BH29: I could see a mystic being able to heal. Yeah, totally doable.

BH39: You will need purify from the poison/mana drain mobs and Calcid, you will need IH stack for Farren because the tank needs to be healed WHILE you're popping WS on ppl who get into AoE, you will need to spam AoE heal at kaboomers and hp-drain mobs. So...cleric.

Very few clerics ever use purify, nor level it up past level 1, until 69, where it's desperately needed in Wraithgate. So, no on the purfiy stance there. As for IH stacking, it's not needed either. Clerics spells can keep others healed with other spells, IH just makes it easier and less stressful to accomplish the goal. It's not impossible.

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

BH51: Fushma could be doable. Ranker probably not because once again, the tank needs IH stack so he/she is receiving heals while healer is taking care of idiots in AoE. You also need purify on Wyrven every now and then. So...cleric

This is a case of let the idiots who never learn, die. I ran into an instance of this in BH51 with a sin on my alt. 3 sins (including myself), 61 cleric who didn't have BB, a veno and a barb. Two sins stayed back using a bow while the other ran in and got 1 shot. Did he learn? Nope. He was revived and ran right back in and got killed once more. Even on Myriad. We told the cleric not to res him for the rest of the BH.

When Xoria was around 51, she only had purify 2. Even at that level, she was able to keep the barb alive with just IH and never casting purify or BB.

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

BH59: You need to purify even arcane tanks in this one. Squads usually ask for BB on bosses that don't require puri. Oh, and you'll need puri for the mobs as well. So...cleric. (Tho, if the squad is careful you could make it on bosses that dont require puri)

Again, it's not needed. I hardly ever seen low level clerics use purify on the wood section of this instance. Stack a couple and heals and it won't matter, mystic or cleric. It is also not required for the fire's wyvern boss.

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

BH69: I dont even need to explain this one...cleric.

Can't see how this would even be do- able without a cleric save high APS that can constantly triple spark to keep debuffs off.

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

BH79: A mystic should be able to get through this one...

BH100:
HH3-3: Cleric. You need the buffs + Aoe heals + purify.
WS-Snake- If squad was careful you could do it without a cleric. If you plan on doing the non-glitch way, you will need a cleric for BB.
WS Cannon- Cleric. Many tanks need serious stacking to tank that boss. Some even require sage vanguard. And most squads need BB unless they plan on killing the mobs 1 by 1.

Just wanted to add, for warsong fire, you can run out of reach of Cannonfist's manaleak and damage and then commence the battle once more. However, tank DOES require heavy healing. Several instances, I was glad to have demon stream of rejuvenation's equipment buff...

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

SoT: If squad is careful and powerful, could manage with a mystic.
Abaddon: Cleric. You need puri + BB and/or spam AoE healing.
GV2: Cleric for BB and buffs.
GV3: Cleric for BB and buffs.


Instances:

Frost: Doable with a mystic at high lvls with OP people. Lower lvls..need a cleric for BB, puri at poleboss, RB for heads/elementos. BB at holeen. AoE spam on 3rd boss and boss before big room.

Nirvana: Depends totally on the squad. Some don't need cleric or mystic, ijs.



Im tired and I'm sure Ive missed several instances, so please feel free to add some. But
from what I'm seeing, mystics are fantastic spot healers, but lack the toolbox a cleric has to keep the squad alive. I think clerics are pretty dam safe from being replaced as the solo healers.

I believe we can safely assume that a cleric is still pretty much irreplacable at this point in time. A mystic can help, but is by no means a replacement class.

Manostra - Harshlands wrote: »

I believe the Mystic can do more Damage as a cleric (dps not spike).

Depends on gear and channeling, really. The damage difference between the 2 classes is almost not noticeable. Mystic's first attack skill at lvl 10 only deals 'basic Magic Attack, plus 100% of Weapon Damage, plus 723'. Crappier than a Veno at lvl 10. :P Cleric has 2 SPAMMABLE (dps) first skills that do 'base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1379.6' and this is only lvl 10, lvl11 hits even bigger. Our DoT is better by 2k. Our Wield Thunder is very stong and we have 3 very good AoEs!

And you forget that Clerics have Magic attack buff that increases our damage even more for an hour. Mystic's buff might be bigger but lasts only a few seconds and has a long cooldown. And you forget that we can reduce magic def and p. def of mobs by 30% and these debuffs are easily kept up because they are spammable and last for 20 seconds!!! With these debuffs, we increase the squad's overall damage. I have all seals maxed and use this 2 really often in PVE (especially when Barbs and Venos are lazy to debuff) and people like it. I know Mystics have some debuffs too but only 20% and last for a few seconds, so Cleric is even better at debuffs.

So don't tell me Mystic does more damage because I will laugh my @ss off. Similar damage maybe, but not more than us. But anyways, no matter what magic class you take, they do no damage compared to 5aps. I'd rather take a Cleric as a healer because they have buffs, IH, BB, a RELIABLE Revive that actually makes you lose no exp all (Demon/Sage Rez). Mystic's Revive can be risky, can be forgotten and you will always lose some exp.

LadyBats - Archosaur wrote: »

Comforting mist
3.5 chan
1 cast
6 Cooldown

720 hp and 18% of base magic.

Clerics strongest heal

stream of rejuvenation
2.5 chan
1 cast
1 cool down

Heals 1230 hp and 30% of magic damage and an additional 1230 over 15 secs.

in terms of sheer healing power we blow them out of the water, into the air, ho slap them around a few times and then blow them back into the water

Even chromatic healing beam out heals their strongest heal by about 300 points and 2% magic damage, and its cool down is half of the mystics...i wont even bring up BB

What about this kind of combo
Comforting Mist
+
Switching between
Healing Herb
Mana 547
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 6.0 seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation Aware of Discord
Summons a Healing Herb that restores 125 points
of Health every 2 Seconds for all nearby friends.
Healing Herb appears for 1 minute.
Healing Herb may not be Lysed.

And

Vital Herb
Mana 1040
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 35.0 seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Requisite Cultivation Aware of Coalescence
Summons a Vital Herb, which restores HP to
nearby friends every second and increases their
HP recovery by 50 points per second.
Vital Herb appears for 20 seconds.
Lysing has no effect on Vital Herb.
Costs 1 Spark.

XRathSphereX - Archosaur wrote: »

I like to say one thing as this what will happen, and what i feel will be like. Its not a story or anything just something that might or may not happen

Cleric Bully (who thinks is far superior that loves to revive in home town): Oh great look a mystic in are plume city, just great.

Mystic (that wants to help support in ability's clerics can't do): Hello Cleric thought you might be of some help in some skills to fill in the gap that you guy's can't use.

Cleric Bully: We don't want your race or you mystics around we are superior healers we can do 110% better job than you mystics could ever do we own the spot light so step aside and let the professionals do the work.

Mystic: hmf, you will regret it one day cleric and you will need are help one day, and will see to it that your cockiness will just be nothing and just think you can do a better job than us.

PS: When ppl who play clerics thinks there far better and don't need a mystic and treat them as outsiders are just spoiled little brats that just won't accept the mystics can fill in holes and gaps that clerics could never do or specialise in certain skills. But even if clerics has some skills that can match up to skills mystic have there still some skills that mystics can do but cleric can't do.

Let's face facts. Mystics aren't necessary. We don't NEED them. They can make jobs easier AND they CAN handle healing parties. I wouldn't mind having a mystic in my party, since they would help me if I messed up, so I wouldn't have to go to town and lose experience all the time.
But they weren't necessary. And there are just some jobs which they can never do, like purifying at FCC.
They're basically venos with free revives.

We CAN do a better job than Mystics at a lot of things.

Clerics have survived without mystics to "support" us. So we obviously don't need them. The only use they have for the cleric is the rez buff.

Like others have said before. There's no purify that can equal a cleric's purify (unless people can perma triple spark), there's dmg reduction with bb, amazing buffs and far more superior heals.
As for dmg (which I guess really isn't important but people have brought it up in past posts)...we have 2 amazing debuffs. Sure dimensional seal isn't as great as a barb's penetrate armor...but elemental seal is amazing for a cleric's dmg.
Mystics may have summons to add to the dd aspect, but what happens when they or the mystic run out of mana? Not much of a great dd without drinking many, many mp pots or gobbling down mp food. Clerics have spamable dd skills that take very little mana.

But my point is Mystics can NEVER replace clerics as a healing class. Even if they're well geared.

Sorry for being harsh, but it's a simple fact.

Toneshifter - Harshlands wrote: »

What about this kind of combo
Comforting Mist
+
Switching between
Healing Herb
Mana 547
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 6.0 seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation Aware of Discord
Summons a Healing Herb that restores 125 points
of Health every 2 Seconds for all nearby friends.
Healing Herb appears for 1 minute.
Healing Herb may not be Lysed.

And


Vital Herb
Mana 1040
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 35.0 seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Requisite Cultivation Aware of Coalescence
Summons a Vital Herb, which restores HP to
nearby friends every second and increases their
HP recovery by 50 points per second.
Vital Herb appears for 20 seconds.
Lysing has no effect on Vital Herb.
Costs 1 Spark.

Any boss that aoes is going to own plants faces and still, our heals are stronger its just fact they arent ever going to out heal us. Healing is pretty much all we do, they are jack of all trades, master of none

Originally Posted by ugysekell
Depends on gear and channeling, really. The damage difference between the 2 classes is almost not noticeable.

You people really need to learn your **** better...by comparing their aoe heal clerics heal beats theirs by about 300 damage and 3second cool down, thats a HUGE difference when it comes to certain runs, espically lower level FC's . Strem of rejuvi and IH blow their their other two heals out of the water. Theirs don't stack, so trying to get a tank to rush through TT without ih would be pretty hard, heal them when they are running and you die

gelnd wrote: »

Why the hostility and "my balls are bigger than your balls" mentality? On my cleric, I do my best to keep everybody alive. On my new mystic, I'd do the same. :P

lol your reading into it way too much,i play a mystic too: P. Its not aggression, its fact, it is 9 23 pm and plants are squishy and wont be of much use in aoe bosses lol

While i dont dispute the fact that mystics will be able to solo heal lower dungeons, i still dont think they will make our class obsolete. Aside from some dungeons i can think off the top of my head such as 20/20/20 or fc (people always want Rb for the heads and bb on the giant pull before that), clerics will always be the preferred healers. Sure a mystic can MANAGE to heal a party but it is A.) More costly mana wise B.) More risky for the players around them and C.) would take away from the dps, a mystic can out dps a cleric by the looks of it with pets and plants, so i would rather have them dd ing and spot healing myself. I personally welcome them, they can make the world less stressful for clerics lol.


OH and we even get yelled at for having lvl 10 rez instead of sage/demon. So im sure 80% exp recovery will be less preferred than 90 or 100

magena wrote: »

Very few clerics ever use purify, nor level it up past level 1, until 69, where it's desperately needed in Wraithgate. So, no on the purfiy stance there. As for IH stacking, it's not needed either. Clerics spells can keep others healed with other spells, IH just makes it easier and less stressful to accomplish the goal. It's not impossible.

Lol. I guess I'm one of "very few" clerics then. It's stupid to not use purify in BH 59 especially. So by that logic, you're going to let Drake and Glut's DoTs just chill there on the tank simply because your heals will keep them alive anyway? Just because it's not "desperately needed" until Wraithgate doesn't mean you shouldn't use it. b:shocked That's not to say mystics can't heal BH 39 themselves, but clerics should be utilizing their skills, not waiting until it's "desperately needed". And speaking of BH39 since that's what this is in relation to, mana drain SUCKS. Clerics should be purifying.

This is a case of let the idiots who never learn, die. I ran into an instance of this in BH51 with a sin on my alt. 3 sins (including myself), 61 cleric who didn't have BB, a veno and a barb. Two sins stayed back using a bow while the other ran in and got 1 shot. Did he learn? Nope. He was revived and ran right back in and got killed once more. Even on Myriad. We told the cleric not to res him for the rest of the BH.

When Xoria was around 51, she only had purify 2. Even at that level, she was able to keep the barb alive with just IH and never casting purify or BB.

Right, so mystics are all supposed to be jerks. b:laugh As a cleric, you don't just "not" res someone unless you have a valid reason beyond them not realizing that it's stupid to stand in an aoe. He's only going to learn by dying over and over again. You choose not to res him even though he helped with the rest of the instance? That's just silly. And again, just because you don't "have" to use purify, doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T.

Again, it's not needed. I hardly ever seen low level clerics use purify on the wood section of this instance. Stack a couple and heals and it won't matter, mystic or cleric. It is also not required for the fire's wyvern boss.

b:tired Not required doesn't mean you shouldn't. Just because the majority don't doesn't mean they're right.


I do see your point though. Not required = mystics can do it, and clerics aren't "necessary". I'm just saying that, if you are cleric doing this instance, purify SHOULD be utilized. Personally, I still wouldn't run these instances without a cleric on my DD characters though. I would never have a mystic in a squad as primary healer because I don't see them as such.


You do have to keep in mind something though: cleric buffs. Mystics do not have them. As a cleric with the squad buffed you can do these things without purify, but it might be a different story without buffs.

Clerics are the absolute healers of Pan Gu b:angry

Because:
- When the boss is nervous and wants to hit everybody at once, we're there to cast our Regeneration Aura and show who's the best.
- When the tank is near dead, we'll quickly cast our Stream of Rejuvenation and save the day.
- When the wizzy or the Psy draw the Aggro, we'll full their HPs with 1 hit of our Wellspring surge.
- When needed to AoE heal, we'll heal better.
- When we join the party and start the AoE buffs, we become the squad's savior.
- We are CLERICS and we are the Heal Deal.

Shahiro, i'm so sorry, but falling petals isn't comparable to the might of the Ironheart Blessing. I bet you already know, but IH is stackable and much more powerful.