Demon or Sage Archer?
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Hey guys I know you may have answered this maybe idk billions of times.. but which one is better Sage or Demon? I am leaning towards Sage cuz of fact it does more power and Demon is more for speed ( I dont have any -inv armor i am too poor for it ) Plus i am thinking of Sage cuz everyone just does demon over and over cuz of this aps.. so i wanted to ask which one is better?? Any answer will be so great im at lvl 88 hopefuly soon 89 so please someone help me deicde xD
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Here's an idea..
STEP 1) Go to: http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillea.php,
STEP 2) Read through the skills and their sage/demon counterparts,
STEP 3) Formulate your OWN opinion on which skills YOU prefer,
STEP 4) Level up to required level and select chosen cultivation.
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I read em all.. tbh they look the same **** to me.... expect for sage with the HP debuff and 4.5 second stun...0
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XDeadpool - Heavens Tear wrote: »I read em all.. tbh they look the same **** to me.... expect for sage with the HP debuff and 4.5 second stun...
Cool. So you like the look of sage STA and sage Stunning Arrow. Congratulations, you've formed your own opinion! That wasn't so hard, was it?
Now you have something to work towards, since you said you're not the wealthiest of people, farming Pages of Fate for a shot at sage STA or Advanced Mystical Pages for Stunning Arrow (from memory) shouldn't be an impossible task. If you aren't successful, you can always sell the book you don't want (or learn it) for another chance at it.
As for the cultivations, and you were correct in saying that this has been answered billions of times before, there is no "right" or "wrong" cultivation, it's all down to personal preference and your play style.
You see people defending their cultivation choice, or comparing it with its counterpart, which is totally unnecessary. Both sage and demon are great and you'll really be more powerful regardless of which ever one you choose.0 -
XDeadpool - Heavens Tear wrote: »Hey guys I know you may have answered this maybe idk billions of times.. but which one is better Sage or Demon? I am leaning towards Sage cuz of fact it does more power and Demon is more for speed ( I dont have any -inv armor i am too poor for it ) Plus i am thinking of Sage cuz everyone just does demon over and over cuz of this aps.. so i wanted to ask which one is better?? Any answer will be so great im at lvl 88 hopefuly soon 89 so please someone help me deicde xD
if you can't even afford any -int armor... you won't be able to afford to be a successful sage... go demon. sage only shines when you have the coins to back it up.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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if id have to go all over again id go sage cos of range..
demon spark looks amazing in normal gameplay tho b:victory0 -
Ok ty everyone i picked Demon but ty for all the info and help I hope i do good in Demon! Ty again!0
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »if you can't even afford any -int armor... you won't be able to afford to be a successful sage... go demon. sage only shines when you have the coins to back it up.
just wanted to know why you need coins to back up being a sage archer?? thanks
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Sage tries to take your target down in as few hits as possible. Sage STA is a stronger hp debuff than Demon STA, Sage Mastery and Blazing Arrow both add more damage than Demon Mastery and Blazing Arrow. Sage Take Aim does more damage.
Of course, if your weapon sucks, you're not exactly cut out to the "attempt to 2-3 shot someone" role. The bonus damage from Sage Mastery and Blazing are percentages of your weapon damage as well. When you hit 3 digits on a robe, you just hit repeatedly and simply tick charm.
But if you could hit faster and crit more often, maybe you can kill your opponent? That's where Demon comes in. A Demon who has gotten lucky can kill people with much better gear and defensive stats than a non-Demon with the same gears otherwise could. What better way to get lucky than to add 12% crit and a chance for more attack speed?
I chose Demon before the Jone's Bless cheap rank business because I thought archers in general simply hit too low for Sage to make sense. This was a time of hitting 500s on some damn triple buffed wizard with a +10 Lunar btw, think we all remember those times x.x
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lol at "successful sage."
I'm sage, I enjoy it, I'm having fun with it. Hence, I'm successful. Honestly, who in their right mind cares about PVP anymore?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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It has been discussed several times already.
I like both, they both have their advantages. I'd prefer sage though.Feel free to PM me for help.
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demon ftw. the spark is sexy. the skills r sexy. and the girl archers r sexy. =]Do you hate me? Good, that makes for an adequate conversation starter.
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »Sage tries to take your target down in as few hits as possible. Sage STA is a stronger hp debuff than Demon STA, Sage Mastery and Blazing Arrow both add more damage than Demon Mastery and Blazing Arrow. Sage Take Aim does more damage.
Of course, if your weapon sucks, you're not exactly cut out to the "attempt to 2-3 shot someone" role. The bonus damage from Sage Mastery and Blazing are percentages of your weapon damage as well. When you hit 3 digits on a robe, you just hit repeatedly and simply tick charm.
But if you could hit faster and crit more often, maybe you can kill your opponent? That's where Demon comes in. A Demon who has gotten lucky can kill people with much better gear and defensive stats than a non-Demon with the same gears otherwise could. What better way to get lucky than to add 12% crit and a chance for more attack speed?
I chose Demon before the Jone's Bless cheap rank business because I thought archers in general simply hit too low for Sage to make sense. This was a time of hitting 500s on some damn triple buffed wizard with a +10 Lunar btw, think we all remember those times x.x
Of course now everyone and their mother dies in a few hits because of Jone's Bless cheap rank, so I don't really think it matters anymore...
Still has its advantages. Play on lost city with all the rank gear floating around sharded with jades of steady defense and +10~+12 refined.
Demon again outshines sage.0 -
Sage or Demon? That is a good question but asked in the wrong place. You should not adress such a question to other players. You should adress it to yourself because each player should choose the char/built/fighting style that fits him most. If you read skills you will notice that:
Sage archer has more damage coming from passive skill and also more defense coming from sage spark but on the other hand demon has more crit and more atk speed.
The fact that blazing arrow offers 70% fire damage to demon archer makes demon archer to have a superior atk for 20 seconds. Also demon dartle shot has 50% chance to increase interval with 30% for 6 sec. That means a lot more dmg in a short time than sage archer has.
So conclusion is that with demon archer you can down people easy in a very short time.
Many people will say that interval sux vs heavy armor. I say that they are wrong. Blazing arrow is quite effective vs heavy armor and penetrates it easy. Also element damage can come from using pills. No armor can withstand 2 types of atk in the same time (physical+magic).
Demon EA is best choice for pvp because it is really easy to use comparing to sage. Sage is more effective in pve because his buffs last longer and his debuffs are very good:
-20% HP reduce
-20% pdef and mdef reduce
-mana burn
-longer metal def reduce
Sage EA also has longer stun as well as the octoarray effect on Aim Low skill (paralyses + silences target). That allows him to use it's other advantage (longer range than any other char).
Sage EA is best EA for long fights between teams because it can get chi very fast (a lot of skills recover chi), self buffs last long so there is no need to stop and rebuff, range is better than demon's and debuffs hurt a lot.
Demon EA is best for 1 on 1 fights due to the fast atk speed and crit
So as a conclusion:
Whatever fits you most you should choose: Team player (sage) or Solo stand (demon)0 -
angellicdeity wrote: »Still has its advantages. Play on lost city with all the rank gear floating around sharded with jades of steady defense and +10~+12 refined.
Demon again outshines sage.
Seach his post and you'll see he has been proved an idiot many times... so feel to ignore whatever he said.VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »Demon EA is best choice for pvp because it is really easy to use comparing to sage. Sage is more effective in pve because his buffs last longer and his debuffs are very good:
-20% HP reduce
-20% pdef and mdef reduce
-mana burn
-longer metal def reduce
The only real thing here is 20% hp debuff. If you can't kill someone within the demon's metal debuff time span... you are not going to kill them in sage's metal debuff time span. And the other two is just plain out right useless.VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »
Sage EA also has longer stun as well as the octoarray effect on Aim Low skill (paralyses + silences target). That allows him to use it's other advantage (longer range than any other char).
Sage EA is best EA for long fights between teams because it can get chi very fast (a lot of skills recover chi), self buffs last long so there is no need to stop and rebuff, range is better than demon's and debuffs hurt a lot.
Demon EA is best for 1 on 1 fights due to the fast atk speed and crit
The 1 second extra stun is nice... enough for another shot. I have sealed a bm while he was under immune to movement debuffs with aim low... but I WILL NOT count on it as even remotely useful. The extra chi skill is nice. Lastly... just remember all archers have the same passive attack rate. In order for demon to roll (quickshot) for a 50% chance to increase attack rate... they would have to forfit a shot (archers can fire 2 regular shots in the time for a quickshot).1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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I like Sage better, I'm very happy with it, love Blazing / passives better... I never PVP, so yeah.0
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VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »Sage is more effective in pve because his buffs last longer and his debuffs are very good:
-mana burn
Mana burn is an integral part of being an archer.0 -
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Niteshadows - Harshlands wrote: »demon ftw. the spark is sexy. the skills r sexy. and the girl archers r sexy. =]
Not all the girl archers are demon, doh.
But yea, I was biased that the demon archers are EPIC-HAX-MEGA-PRO but after I realizied that the APS is not really what I`m aiming for and after I checked the sage/demon skills again I decided that sage will be the way to go. So you really have to ask yourself how you are playing and what are you aiming for.ColdAsLife, 90, Proud Sage Archer
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »The only real thing here is 20% hp debuff. If you can't kill someone within the demon's metal debuff time span... you are not going to kill them in sage's metal debuff time span. And the other two is just plain out right useless.
The 1 second extra stun is nice... enough for another shot. I have sealed a bm while he was under immune to movement debuffs with aim low... but I WILL NOT count on it as even remotely useful. The extra chi skill is nice. Lastly... just remember all archers have the same passive attack rate. In order for demon to roll (quickshot) for a 50% chance to increase attack rate... they would have to forfit a shot (archers can fire 2 regular shots in the time for a quickshot).
Best debuff is trully 20% hp reduce but you can't deny the fact that the others are more or less usefull too.
20% defence decrease is splendid! It also comes with tons of dmg and if you do it after metal debuff then hmm..you can kill your target with the other 2 metal atks.
As i said before, sage EA is more a pve than a pvp. So the longer debuff is the better.
The Aim Low effect is much better on sage than on demon. If opponent is using anti stun demon effect is canceled but sage effect is only cut in half.
The mana burn...hmm...kinda stupid bonus..so much is true but think that not many ppl can afford charms and that pots don;t replenish mana that fast...However the herbs u buy with tokens kinda ruin this skill's effect...0 -
It's expensive to make a demon EA btw...interval items cost a lot and if you want to go interval built you either complete it or you don't start doing it.Niteshadows - Harshlands wrote: »demon ftw. the spark is sexy. the skills r sexy. and the girl archers r sexy. =]0 -
At level 89+ noone uses metal skills in pve. Metal skills are only for pvp.
I don't really think the extra metal debuff duration is important anyway. Archers only get 3 metal skills and one of them applies the debuff. It doesnt matter how long the duration is considering how quickly it will be refreshed by a sustained metal combo.
Demon shock's proc is pretty awesome when it works (it even seals stun-immune BMs) and can easily turn the tide of battle. Sage's metal skills are nice for being able to cycle them more easily.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Archer has 4 metal skills and they can be used on physical imune mobs that debuff bllazing arrow or cancel pots effects.
Also an archer that lacks aps will rather use metal skills if his dmg is high especially if he is in a team that has a cleric who DD.
But as i said team player status also applies to TW or team vs team and there metal damage is used rather often.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »20% defence decrease is splendid! It also comes with tons of dmg and if you do it after metal debuff then hmm..you can kill your target with the other 2 metal atks.
The icons you get say that they are attack damage debuffs rather than defense decreases.
But our metal attacks are, ironically, slightly faster than demon metal attacks, especially in rotation.0 -
@VyperionV
How many physical immune mobs have you seen?
I am not talking about bosses (Haunted Headless, Certain CoA Bosses, etc), but more on the mobs that you kill.
Which interval items cost a lot (apart from nirvana leggings and the tome) that most archers dont aim for or not already part of the endgame equips? At the same time, said archer can afford all the skill books for their respective cultivation to actually take advantage of.
My point is, almost all archers at 90+ start acquiring -interval gear, not because its the norm, but more like it being a part of an archer's standard equipment.
Understand, I am not talking about getting max aps. More like, the more you invest in endgame gear, the more aps you get. So saying an archer does not have aps is like saying that the archer does not have any of his standard/expected equipment for his/her level. This further means his/her DPH isnt high to support the argument of using metal attacks in pve.
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Yes, sage metal attacks have lower channeling/cooldowns compared to demon versions.....QQ0 -
Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »@VyperionV
How many physical immune mobs have you seen?
I am not talking about bosses (Haunted Headless, Certain CoA Bosses, etc), but more on the mobs that you kill.
Which interval items cost a lot (apart from nirvana leggings and the tome) that most archers dont aim for or not already part of the endgame equips? At the same time, said archer can afford all the skill books for their respective cultivation to actually take advantage of.
My point is, almost all archers at 90+ start acquiring -interval gear, not because its the norm, but more like it being a part of an archer's standard equipment.
Understand, I am not talking about getting max aps. More like, the more you invest in endgame gear, the more aps you get. So saying an archer does not have aps is like saying that the archer does not have any of his standard/expected equipment for his/her level. This further means his/her DPH isnt high to support the argument of using metal attacks in pve.
@Fleuri
Yes, sage metal attacks have lower channeling/cooldowns compared to demon versions.....QQ
Physical imune bosses exist. If map will be reset you will find in TWs as well. Idk about mobs on this server but i am sure bosses exist.
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ashura leg = aprox 30m
i can continue with nv leggings, lionheart necklace and belt and best of all rank equip (bow and top). However rank is easy to get now.
U are somehow right! Most ppl get interval because they heard it's good to have it but from what i saw they have no ideea what to do with it. Others go for r9 and have no need for interval (r9 can add +128 atk level) but r9 is much too expensive so no need to discuss it here.
Depending on each player skills can be used. Nobody forces archers to use metal skills in pve. For example i lvl an archer here too and i have no skills on him. Just hyper+ normal atks and i lvl super fast but there are some wood mobs that die in 3-4 normal hits. Those mobs would die from 1 metal atk. Wood element is weak to Metal element. So why use normal atks on those mobs when i can 1 hit them with metal?Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »The icons you get say that they are attack damage debuffs rather than defense decreases.
But our metal attacks are, ironically, slightly faster than demon metal attacks, especially in rotation.
Sage has faster same channeling speed as demon. Cooldown is better for sage though.0
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