War has changed.

Pathetick - Archosaur wrote: »

I just don't get it. maybe i'm too naive but i just don't get it.

Most of the members of phoenix immunity nemesis wallace texas treason darksol elusive zulusive unaffiliated. (if i put commas in there i think that covers all the high level players except for the non english speaking guilds but who really cares about them anyway) Could easily leave thier current faction and join one of the other factions listed above. Why is it continually necessary to form a new faction to do just that. Why did Fatalis Impulse have to become phoenix? Why did Narla become Nemises? and why the hell would Elusive become Elusive v6.34?

With Territory War pay coming back and guild bases requiring what sounds like alot of cooperation the current factions that own land are going to be at a considerable advantage heading into the expansion.

If you are not able to fit in with one of the currently existing guilds. To be honest theres something really wrong with you. Whatever the faction hopper inside you is looking for it already exists inside one or all of the current main factions.

Its time for all of you to grow up and stop trying to fight "the man" or whatever you want to call the established system. There is nothing inherently wrong with a faction just because its been around for more than a week.

So don't join the ridiculous new faction of the week. If you want to make a difference join phoenix or immunity put forward some effort and build something. Or put more sand in your crotch and get pissed off because Nemesis is going to build something.

don't worry dearest, even if you are naive this is why me and blood post on this forum. people seem to be perspective-retardant on this server b:cute

you want to take over the map and be all you can be and not apologize for your potential? (see: first half of the server with impulse/narla) GREAT MORE POWER TO YA! want to still be that over 4 months of meaningless TW until you reset the map? you're an ***, and should be trolled for it. this is a game, isn't it? theres something really wrong with you if thats what you want. there is no "sticking it to the man," there are just those that do something to make the game fun and those that talk about it in the form of nostalgia where they "wish" things happened differently, even those that condoned said taking of map. why let that happen? this? this is an enlightenment, har har. people question things and then act out on it. action leads to some quantitative form of change for the better. keep reading

fatalis and impulse made phoenix because when they were themselves the map was going to be taken over. is it that hard to get? elusive was made for that reason as well, if things just happened as you suggested nothing good would've come out of it. when none of this "drama" happened? the server sucked. ganks don't work, welcome to updated perfect world. ironically this "drama" has made more people from more places come together in fewer places and be friends. people being stubborn and staying where they were made our sever go past the point of competition, and for 4 months. you conveniently ignore the fact that some are capable of keeping TW on our server interesting while others either aren't or just haven't proven it to where people would want to join them.


phoenix openly makes deals with nemesis. so who in their right mind would join them if TW is what they want?

immunity? erm, like I said maybe concede the fact that some factions have what it takes to make an impact on TW and others don't, or haven't proven it. just because there are factions on the map doesn't mean they all deserve an equal chance to see what they are made of before people make new ones. want to know why elusive grew into anything? because when nobody was attacking narla, or impulse was and for only 10 minutes, elusive DID and for 40 minutes. elusive proved themselves, and despite "losing" that was single biggest period of growth for elusive. how could it be that in the time of a defeat, elusive grew most? ah, figure that out and maybe immunity or phoenix would get their "chance" at having a lot of us

secondly, the TW map is being reset. so to your point about current land owning factions having an advantage? yar...

I must apologize. obviously my first post was unclear.

My real question is why do we have to start from scratch with a new faction every time? Impulse and Fatalis and the stragglers all joined together could have defeated Narla all those months ago. But they wouldn't join together. It took the creation of Elusive for them to finally join together. Narla could have held onto the map but wanted a fresh start and made Nemesis. Elusive Mistook a couple good TW's for the endall of fun in this game and remade itself into zulusive. and then back into elusive. We all seem to turn to a new faction name as the answer for a fresh start.

suppose You were to get a bad haircut. would you shave your head and start new. or would you wait 3 weeks for the hair to grow long enough to be fixed? Starting over fresh is not always the answer. I really appreciate what Elusive did. I really think Elusive efficiently achieved its goals. I really enjoyed My time in Elusive. I really like most if not all of Elusives players. I really think that Elusive is not the right answer this time.

So mystic proski wnb and the rest I think you should pick a currently established framework. i.e. immunity or phoenix and get a fresh start building one of those factions into something that can compete with nemesis.

"Fit in" its not as bad as it sounds. it means find your place. some peoples natural place is leader some people have a natural place as follower. some people are thinkers and some people are grunts. fitting in is good enough for everybody if they choose to find thier proper place. Even the Bullys and the Asteriskholes and the Loners and the Crybabys they all fit in a place they'll be happy.

So this time lets not burn the house down because we don't like the color of the livingroom. A fresh start can be as simple as changing your underwear and it should be done about as often. But just consider how difficult changing your underwear would be if you had to rename your peen every time. fresh start isn't in the name. and it isn't in the contents (at least not for me, i've had the same willy for many years now). fresh start is the way you look at the world and how you feel.

Pathetick - Archosaur wrote: »

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Some people on this server, not going to name anybody specifically, are too stubborn to do anything for competition, and they'd rather let the server TW die off if it means they weren't the ones that did something about it. Whether it's caused by a grudge towards one group of people, or their reputation for their faction staying "strong" and not falling apart, nobody's willing to meet halfway. So, the few people that still give a damn about truly making a competitive faction to rival Nemesis, are the ones that are joining together currently into this newly formed faction. In the end, who gives a damn about the name? Seriously. It should be the least of your worries if it means you're actually enjoying this game.

The only solid reason for joining phoenix or immunity is the 200million or so coins those factions will get to start the tw reset with. and i know 200million isn't all that much so maybe there isn't really a solid reason to go to phoenix.

But I think we're all forgetting something. of course phoenix couldn't be a factor compared to nemesis. it doesn't have two important things. It doesn't have large numbers of experienced well geared players, and it doesn't have any balls. But if you went to phoenix maybe you could bring both.

as for immunity. umm. well. umm. I'll let Rio speak for that one.

With guild bases coming out and tw pay returning rerolling factions is going to be more difficult. theres still the opportunity right now to start from scratch. in 6 months its going to be a lot more difficult. So whatever you choose now. stick with it and build it.

Unlike elusive, ive been trying for a long time to build up a faction to take down Narla that dosent explode and stays stable for the members to stick with, to give them a liable home. Yes I said Narla.
Since they landlocked us and put a pretty face on it I wanted a little.. revenge, im not bitter about it, it was a very strategic move to shut us down and keep us under control.

I wanted to keep my friends together keep them pushing ever so slowly, grinding out little ammounts of increased power each individual, together for a long time, before we were ready.

We were hopeless to do anything, as you must have all seen we tried for weeks attacking Narla over and over trying to break out, losing everytime, but we just didnt have the firepower, YET.
And we still dont, but we are closer than ever before.


However, to build a faction that dosent implode every month and remains in the game until its ready to take on a force like nemesis takes a lot of effort and integrity.


Elusive was a candle that burned brightly, everyone can see that, snagging a few victories against NarLemesis, but nem is now on top and the goal was defeated.
Elusive explodes several times, Nemesis is still there, its not time for another elusive, its no longer the answer to prevent a hostile full map takeover by them.

Every time a new elusive is made they seem to lose more and more favour with the previous members, eventually I guarentee people are going to grow sick and tired of it AND not come back.


My main issue is as Zhadi mentioned, Immunitys flocked to elusive... the first time, due to the old leadership, the second time with zulu, we suffered losses again but nowhere near as much as the first time.
Now with Resind I hope we dont loose too many and people catch on its not going to last, the repeat offenders do not get back into my faction.

Or itll be another waiheke, I didnt let stud in because I knew that as soon as someone got the bright idea to remake elusive "sigh" again, he would be off in 2 shakes of a lamb's tail. b:surrender.

When a new elusive is made it hurts my faction's chances of taking on Nem each time less and less, but still even a few individuals can make the difference.
I wont QQ anymore.


And I have the feeling that Immunity's first encounter with Nem will be soon, yes im nervous, and elusive/zulusive/resind/whatever isnt helping.


Zhadi has been here and hes seen us in tw, were not OP, were not nem we got beat by phoenix twice before a victory, but with a little more deliberation we do have a shot, slim as it is of fighting Nem without being destroyed ourselves in the process.

When your with a fac for 10months or so, and you see it grow from a group of lvl 20s to a faction with a tonne of experienced 10X players, you know theres something special there, built to last.



ok feel free to rip on me below and tell me all the stuff I was wrong about above.

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

argue with me its more fun b:angry

You know, unless you-know-what is taking place, I tend to prefer comfortable silences. b:shy

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

I need to correct some history here, unless an incorrect impression be left.

People didn't leave one faction or another and join Elusive for anything stable. They did it because Elusive was doing something at that point unheard of - actually attacking Narla. b:surprised

And Elusive didn't explode because of any fatal flaws in leadership, or membership composition, or anything else. It was formed with TW as its primary goal, and because Proski didn't pay his subscription to hustler.com that month or whatever, he got banned. For weeks. Like almost 4 weeks or more. A month of no TWs in any faction filled with members that came together to TW will kill any faction.

As for Zulusive - people make it sound like it was formed to hide its identity, or make a fresh start. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Elusive started the new TW map down by RT. They had plans to go slow, build something stable. To allow Darkside and Nemesis to have their fight. The problem is, Darkside fell too quickly, and Elusive got no-showed and outbid a few weeks in a row. And god knows noone was attacking them. The only way to move on the map was to make a new faction. So they did, and positioned themselves to take the fight to nemesis.

And they did so. Zulusive and Nemesis had a few weeks of good TW. Too few, yes, but still. They, yes even they, the upstart, unstable, insert-here-whatever-adjective-you-now-want-to-attribute-to-them, did more against Nemesis/Narla than any of these other factions had managed to do since their inception.

And Zulusive did not break apart due to any fatal flaws in leadership, or membership composition, or anything else. It did so because TW against Nemesis is pointless. Its too much power on too small a server concentrated in too few factions.

Many, many players that were there to beat Narla chose to go have fun in TW 1 shotting 6x's for as long as it would take for Nemesis to walk across the map.

And some of us got tired of carrying the water for the whole of the server, while others (who did nothing) reaped the benefits. If you can't beat 'em . . . .

And that's the facts, jack.

Even so no matter for whatever reason it still blew up both times.

this is me being SUPER nice

Well im sorry i didnt have the amazing contacts and epeen of proski all over forums from the start, im sorry i wasnt so outspoken and made a big deal and glorifying myself as the savior of the server to stop narla/nemesis. im sorry people will keep repeating this fault to have fun and ignore the reality that hardworkers on their factions are second best to those with big egos and mouths.

At the end of the day I am still here working on a long term plan for my faction but not trying to contrive a whole forum-based world of text battles, to gain support.
I dont like elusive many people on this server do not like elusive they are a part of our server with the most to shout about in all honesty at the end of the day nemesis was just the better faction.

I wont say anymore on the matter because it bores me. You are a troll Proski.

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this is me being nice

um I never said I saved the server, lol. that was someone taking a quote out of context where I jokingly pretended to be moses leading the israelites out of egypt

secondly I DONT THINK i did much past REACH out to people. when elusive won I gave the credit to all the members here because they deserved it, they stepped out of their own images to contribute and help. reaching out is at least more than anybody else did on the server, though

FINE I'LL BE NICER

but you coulda whispered it in my ear

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

FINE I'LL BE NICER

but you coulda whispered it in my ear

You would prefer imagining me whispering things in your ear?

RioNHale - Archosaur wrote: »

At the end of the day I am still here working on a long term plan for my faction but not trying to contrive a whole forum-based world of text battles, to gain support.

+1000 Rion...and THIS is what has always made me say I respect you as a leader and your faction. You are doing what I have always believed makes a great faction. BUILD a faction, BUILD stability and make it some place people like to log on and hang out and do things with each other. Yes BLOOD, I can still have the best fun some days just doing a BH or FC with friends while laughing and having a good time. I'm not saying everyone should or needs to run a faction this way but I do truly believe that this kind of faction will be there at the end of the day when many others will just fall to the wayside. Sure, the Elusives/Zoolusives may have some temporary success but as soon as they are not getting what they bought into the faction for, 2+ hours of TW, they are gone. Even BLOOD has said this many times. It's a faction like Immunity that frankly makes me take notice the most when I look at who to be concerned about in TW in the long run.

oh wait...why are we even in factions again?

OH right because we obviously cant talk or do things with people outside our faction....yeah TW doesnt mean anything...

...ijs...