New dra... Politics thread

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Trained? It`s taken over half a year for pannzy to learn pull cata, rest of your cata barbs are still learning.?

Cool. Actually, I take that as a compliment since I've never played a barb before this character. I only started doing TW with Pannzer less than a year ago.

Do I actually know how to pull a cata in all situations? No, not even close. b:surrender

Martin I hate to do this ......



-Crushes dream of there being a new server-

b:surrender sorry but its a good possibility


Your stuck with me now b:sin

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

@Martin, if you dere to spoil your my agent, helpimg my world domination plans, I`ll leak the song you`ve been singing, on front of mirror, wanting to marry somebody!

o.o i wana see .. umm ... hear ... no ... wait .. do i?

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

You find images on web hilarious when most others think they are disgusting/twisted/etc? If not, then no, you really dont want to.

b:surrender ok i believe you ....

Martiin - Archosaur wrote: »

Still waiting on my chocolate...

*takes another bite from chocolate* .. u were saying?

Anthemyra - Archosaur wrote: »

*takes another bite from chocolate* .. u were saying?

Don't make me come over there!

Kaida_Hoshi - Archosaur wrote: »

lol I love you !!

Your torture technique is amusing XD

Here I thought you were on my side. b:surrender

Even you wnbtank...fine I have a project meeting anyway. I am obviously not wanted here.

*walks into the sunset*

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

I`m simply asking simple questions, I get no replys or I get actually braindead answers, no offence.

ok the... next post just list your questions, and i'll try to answer..

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

-this twitter session has just been rudely interrupted-

is ok .. we still love you ... as long as you write with normal/large font. b:cute

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

Different goals, different approaches to the game, different atmosphere, different standarts.

Basically, all this says is that Narla and Nemesis are different because they are different. Thanks.

What was Narla's goal and what is Nemesis'?

What was Narla's approach and what is Nemesis'?

Atmosphere? eh, that changes from day to day, week to week or month to month. And is not particularly relevant to the rest of the server, only to members within Nemesis.

What were Narla's standards and what are Nemesis'?

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

Well, at the time Zulusive was a real threat to us.

A real threat to WHAT? Map dominance? Monopolization of lvl 6 apoth? A threat at giving you what you claimed to welcome: challenging tws that god forbid you might lose after 3 hours of balls out fun?

Yea, wish someone would threaten me that way.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

We couldn't face you and another faction at the same time.

So? So instead your members (with or without the knowledge of your leaders, I'm not going there) engineer a gank on us? Waylay us with a fake bid so NOONE bids on you?

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

And as I said before, we were aiming to get 1k ever since we made Nemesis, for the tele and the apo.

If these were the reasons, you would have no objection to sharing the apoth with the server. You took 1k and "secured it" to monopolize 1k apoth. We aren't stupid.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

I think everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes. But i don't think anyone deserves this constant hate and abuse.

You are not hated and abused for "human mistakes". You are hated and abused because across almost the entirety of space and time on this server, through two factions, you have engaged in a course of conduct that seeks only to glorify yourselves with a shallow goal of dominating the map at the expense of the rest of the players on the server being able to enjoy a fundamental aspect of end-game content - TW. If you are hated and abused, THAT is why, make no "mistake" about that.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

I know some ppl told you it was funny and what not. But it wasn't like that for everyone.
I believe they are better ways to solve conflicts and get answers and reactions. You get more flies with honey

To rephrase: "Kiss our collective arses like the gods we are, and we may throw you a few scraps from our table."

Er, no thanks. Sic Semper Tyrannis.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

We built this faction from scratch.

To say that is an insult to scratch. But BLOODMYSTIC's prior post already explained this point well enough.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

Well.. instead of caring about what the other high lvls though, we took the lower lvl in and helped them grow.

Did you ever ask yourself "Why?" the other high levels didn't want anything to do with you? No, of course not. Instead, you went out, found people that didn't know the history of this server, didn't live through the fun stiffling tyrrany that was Narla, got them to believe the map meant something, and started all over again.

You want congratulations, or even bare recognition for all that "work"?

As though it is deserving of any . . .

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

THAT's the kind of faction i want to be in. THAT's teh reason that makes me want to log in.

Noone is telling you not to do that. Do all of that you want. You've indicated that MOST of THAT comes to you from Elusive, not Nemesis. (scroll up, the posts are there).

Don't confuse the issue with a pile of garbage noone cares about or would ever think of denying you.

This isn't about farming TT. This isn't about the wonderful tea parties you might have. This is about TW. Period. And kill it twice you've done, all in less than a year, all the while claiming you want the opposite.

Honestly, I don't care anymore, as I have stated. I am not going to lift a finger to grab the paddles, yell "CLEAR" and try to get TW off the table alive. Let others do it if they care, because from where I sit, not enough do.

But don't, because I won't allow it unchallenged, attempt to rewrite the history of this server, the history of Narla, or the history of Nemesis as though they had nothing to do with the death of TW on this server when they were the greatest, single, solitary cause of that very thing. Twice.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

*sigh* was a threat to our position in the map.... i don't give a damn about losing.

The self contradiction is apparent. I need to nothing more than to point it out.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

I still would want to know who tahtw as, I'd have them removed from the faction. You guys are not teh only ones pissed about that...

Ask Kat, she knows who it was and used it as a means to attempt to clear Mango.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

Err.. you just assume we have any rules regarding that...

No, I don't assume, I judge you by your actions. That's hardly a barren assumption.

You even had a security guard up there, meow.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

Er.. Narla's goal was map domination from the day i joined. It was very clear to any new member.Nemesis's wasn't.
And we don't hold the entire map man... there's 11 other factions in the map... tell me how we are ruining TW for them

This is the first of many times you again change the issue. Its getting hard to believe you do that by accident.

Its not about TW THIS INSTANT. Its about the FUTURE of TW on the server.

And how? By going out of your way to secure for yourself every advantage to yourselves and deny them to the rest of the server.

Let me ask you this - How HAVEN'T you done so? What have you and your members done to promote good TW when it didn't benefit yourselves first and foremost?

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

And here it goes... this is what happens when I try to give MY opinion... immature comments and no constructive criticism.
You are trying to put words in my mouth. There was no need to rephrase anything because that's not what i meant. I meant it as i said it. There are betetr ways to solve problems.. that's by talking and compromising from both sides.

Not words in your mouth, Aries. But if you feel that way, clarify it here.

What did you mean by "honey"? Be specific, else others think I was right.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

Bloodmystic has no idea what he's talking about. We started the faction with 20 ppl... Ppl keep saying we took Narla members into another faction. That's bs. Ppl from narla went to Zulusive, Texas, Darkside. And that was after like 2 months of staying in Narla.

You admitted something slightly different above.

And 20 level 100s during the first hour of a faction is not from scratch - its a spin off.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

I don't need a congratulation... I help build a faction i wanted to be part of. Period. Logging in to have fun with my friends is all i need. I worked for that.
And I knew why.. and I knew what happened.. and I knew more than you'll ever know about it. But this is not teh place to discuss it.

If that were "all", there would be no need to secure 1k. Period. Again, your actions (as a faction) belie your words.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

Yes, i get help for MY PVE from 5 or 6 members in Elusive. But, you see, I am talking about the other 150 members as well... I spent a lot of time with Elusive members, well.. they were in Darkside at the time,

Again, above you say "the majority", here you attempt to dimish that to only "5 or 6 members" who "were in Darkside at the time". Thats not even remotely close to what you said above. I'm not saying its not true. How could I know. What I am saying is that you make one statement one moment and a seemingly opposite statement the next.

This is why some of us view discussion of these matters with people from nemesis like playing both sides of a ping pong table.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

And I still don't see how we killed TW. There's plenty of factions having TW out there every week, and they are having fun.

As though I didn't acknowledge that. Of course they are. They left elusive too weak to secure the front line against nemesis in favor of dominating TWs filled with 6x toons. I am sure I've said that here before as well.

But again, what does that have to do with the future of TW on the server? Live for the now is not what we are talking about. We are trying to PREVENT a problem before it starts. Stop arguing against that by saying there is no problem now.

And idk, this all started when I think you realized your TWs from now on were going to be short and uneventful. Read the start of this thread to see that that is true. Have fun with that. Really. I'm not complaining about TW currently. Not at all. I've merely said that I'm done trying to PRESERVE the TW map, I am no showing nemesis and seeking TW fun elsewhere.

You all were the ones that had a problem with that apparently, and started asking me for solutions.

Well, I've given them to you. And all you do is attempt to say your not doing them because you don't see any problem, or because you build the faction from scratch, or because you like the apoth for pve (lol), etc., etc., etc.

Fine and dandy. Stop asking me for solutions then. Stop wondering why I am no-showing you. Stop defending your factions indefensible, self-contradictory statements when all I've said here is I'm through with it. If you wanted to know why, I've told you. If you don't agree with my reasons, I honestly couldn't care less. It doesn't make them any less true.

AriesWood - Archosaur wrote: »

There's no 1 person complaining about TW that is not IN Elusive right now.

Hmm, perhaps its because Elusive is the one that liberated the map in the first place? Oh thats right, I know, I know, the blow up of narla and the great tw map we have had these past many weeks had absolutely nothing to do with Elusive.

Keep telling yourselves that if it helps you sleep at night. Just don't post that revisionist clap trap on these forums and expect it to go uncorrected.

Kattanyia - Archosaur wrote: »

Ok, your bringing my name into this so I'll respond. HUH?
What are you even talking about? I have no idea who did the fake bidding and I've never told you I did. I have never lied to you to protect ANYONE and I can't even believe you have dragged my name into this. I guess your getting desperate to prove some sort of points that you start trying to compromise your "so called" friends now. Whatever, Blood.

You told me it wasn't mango and it was ("whoever the hell it was in nemesis") and that they got banned for it. Then we discussed whether Mango must have known what someone in his faction was up to regarding manipulating TW that way. Up until your post I would have sworn to it on a stack of bibles, but given your response, who the hell knows anymore. Again, why I am done with it.

And friends, certainly I would say, and by no means so called.

But after you secluded yourself in a locked vent room for months and months ill certainly not allow YOU to claim that I am the one that treat my friends as "so-called".

So called? Whatever Kat.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The self contradiction is apparent. I need to nothing more than to point it out.

It's not a self contradiction.. If i lose i lose, i try again later. period. Doesn't mean i have to weaken myself on purpose.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, I don't assume, I judge you by your actions. That's hardly a barren assumption.

You even had a security guard up there, meow.

No.. you are assuming.. because if you knew half teh stuff that happens in the server you'd realise that 1) there's other ways of getting lvl 6 apo. 2) there are lvl 6 apos in catcshops. 3) we have no rule about it.. everyone is free to do whatever. I give lvl 6 apo to my friends when they ask. Just cause you don't get them, doens't mean anyone does.
And don't act like we are the only ones with lvl 6 apo running around. Like Zulusive didn't have any in every TW they did against us.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Its not about TW THIS INSTANT. Its about the FUTURE of TW on the server.

And how? By going out of your way to secure for yourself every advantage to yourselves and deny them to the rest of the server.

Let me ask you this - How HAVEN'T you done so? What have you and your members done to promote good TW when it didn't benefit yourselves first and foremost?

Future TW.. excuse me but you are qqing about TW this instant.. you have no idea what will happen next week. You have no idea if half of Nemesis leaves. You have no idea if Immunity, texas and phoenix merge to kick your arses. You have no idea if half our members will leave to the new server (if there is one)

And once again... IG can be made in 1 city... it is my fault? You act like we went after all the cities that had good apo. Man, we went after 1. And we could be **** over the server not letting anyone make apo, farming minis every day, buying out herbs... and we haven't... we let our members do whatever they want with it.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not words in your mouth, Aries. But if you feel that way, clarify it here.

What did you mean by "honey"? Be specific, else others think I was right.

You are seriously running out of arguments old man... attacking an expression.
You want to find solutions, you sit down and talk liek adults.. you don't attack other ppl.. all i meant.
To be fair, maybe it's not an expression in English, but well. pardon me, english is not my mother tongue

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You admitted something slightly different above.

And 20 level 100s during the first hour of a faction is not from scratch - its a spin off.

We didn't have 20 lvl 100 dood.. seriously?.. the highest lvls in Narla went to Darkside, Texas, Elusive... give me a break

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If that were "all", there would be no need to secure 1k. Period. Again, your actions (as a faction) belie your words.

Man, Zulusive could have rolled us at the time. We needed the apo to survive. This works teh oteh rway around too, you know? If you had destroyed Nemesis then you wouldn't have fun TW's either.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Again, above you say "the majority", here you attempt to dimish that to only "5 or 6 members" who "were in Darkside at the time". Thats not even remotely close to what you said above. I'm not saying its not true. How could I know. What I am saying is that you make one statement one moment and a seemingly opposite statement the next.

This is why some of us view discussion of these matters with people from nemesis like playing both sides of a ping pong table.

You need to go back and read that post again. I said : the majority of my PVE is done with Zulusive... but when we created Nemesis, those ppl where in Darkside... if it's too confusing for you still i'll just give you the names.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But again, what does that have to do with the future of TW on the server? Live for the now is not what we are talking about. We are trying to PREVENT a problem before it starts. Stop arguing against that by saying there is no problem now.

There is no problem now, cause you have no idea what will happend in 2 weeks.. You are making problems up and you are saying we KILLED TW... well.. i see plenty of TW around.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And idk, this all started when I think you realized your TWs from now on were going to be short and uneventful. Read the start of this thread to see that that is true. Have fun with that. Really. I'm not complaining about TW currently. Not at all. I've merely said that I'm done trying to PRESERVE the TW map, I am no showing nemesis and seeking TW fun elsewhere.

You all were the ones that had a problem with that apparently, and started asking me for solutions.

Well, I've given them to you. And all you do is attempt to say your not doing them because you don't see any problem, or because you build the faction from scratch, or because you like the apoth for pve (lol), etc., etc., etc.

Fine and dandy. Stop asking me for solutions then. Stop wondering why I am no-showing you. Stop defending your factions indefensible, self-contradictory statements when all I've said here is I'm through with it. If you wanted to know why, I've told you. If you don't agree with my reasons, I honestly couldn't care less. It doesn't make them any less true.

Hmm, perhaps its because Elusive is the one that liberated the map in the first place? Oh thats right, I know, I know, the blow up of narla and the great tw map we have had these past many weeks had absolutely nothing to do with Elusive.

Keep telling yourselves that if it helps you sleep at night. Just don't post that revisionist clap trap on these forums and expect it to go uncorrected.

I never wondered why you are no shwoing.. i don't care... we will look for ways to make our TW's fun... You had concerns about the server.. you said we were the problems... THAT's why i came here and asked you for solutions.. and you only gave me solutions to problems that are not real.


And I never said anything about Elusive regarding that.. and i don't need to tell myself anything to help me sleep.. cause this is a game.. and today we are on top and tomorrow will be on teh bottom.. and it happens.. I just can find teh fun in both situations