Barbs Barbs Barbs

XxZavxX - Raging Tide · January 2011

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's why most Barbs they still love to play Barbs, just start investing into a claw/fist build.

Personally as a claw Barb, I got my role of tanking back.....

However I understand that is not the point, the main point is that Barbs should always be able to hold aggro from any sort of condition.

From what I see on HT, most Barbs either:

A) Make an APS alt for farming, usually a BM.

Go claw/fist themselves.

Is it right for a Barb to go claw? It's straying from their original intent, but at the same time, you get it back.

Anyways, at 100+, any class can "practically" tank....

Sadly there's no way that you can hold aggro even w/ claws against well-geared sins =/

Knownase - Heavens Tear · January 2011

XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sadly there's no way that you can hold aggro even w/ claws against well-geared sins =/

True, but in most cases, I welcome that. b:laugh

Baalbak - Dreamweaver · January 2011

XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sadly there's no way that you can hold aggro even w/ claws against well-geared sins =/

no, but you could get more spots on Nirvy Farm Spam Squads, being both a DD and HP/P.attack/Crit buffer. you would therefore make the money to max refine/shard your chosen gear quicker, and be able to afford another re-stat to vit build for TW/Delta (of course for delta - i do it now at 16k HP in tiger form, no reason a max refined claw barb can't)

XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »

because post 90+, non-gimp BMs can do pulls and are more efficient in FC than barbs are...

I'd like to hear your reasoning on that statement.

Personally I'm not going to begin to get into my opinions on pulling other than to agree that a BM can pull FC - however I'm not sure where you're getting to with BM's being "more efficient" in FC than barbs are.. On more than one occassion I've out tanked non-interval fist BM's while standing up (pure damage alone with axes). Sure HF is nice on bosses, but amp damage lasts longer. Roar of the pride isn't necessary in FC if your barb is pro - just aggro mobs before getting back to bubble, stand up and drop an armageddon.. if the mobs ain't dead yet - no one's gonna get hit before they do die. Its not a matter of "X class is more efficient than Y class is" but rather the player themself being more efficient than another. Sure some classes have the potential to be more efficient than others do for certain tasks, but that doesn't make all apples red.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · January 2011

I did an FCC run with 2 BM's, clerc, Archer, Sin, my Veno. Worked really well. Large pulls, BM's used AOE stuns constantly, I kept feeding sparks to the BM's, and the Sin kept AOEing like he should have. No deaths, fast run. Everyone survived.

Next run, barb, psy, wiz, cleric, bm, my veno. Cleric and Barb didn't get along, I ended up doing 90% of the work with the cleric. We quit at the first boss. Took forever to get there. I kept feeding the Cleric and barb sparks, but... The barb kept dieing, he wouldn't pull to BB, or the cleric woudln't put it up fast enough. Towards the end, the cleric was DCing. I ended up tanking the first room of mobs all on my own without the cleric, until she realized I wasn't gonna die, and started healing me. I didn't even bother with my pet, I just AOEd everything away. Fail barb, fail cleric.

From my experience, running my cleric, running my BM, and being in parties with barbs, BM's, and soloing my own BH59's at 78 and 79, I would much rather not party with a barb, and, especially when I'm on my cleric. So many times, I organized BH59 runs, and had Psy, Wiz, Veno, even Sin tank the bosses, and a BM tank the mobs.

I'd much rather have an AOE happy BM tanking an instance instead of a barb who refuses to AOE, or doesn't know what AOE even is because they're an oracle/hyper n00b. If the barb can take and hold aggro on all of the mobs in the immediate area, then great, I'll happily party with them. Too often, I either have to remind the barb to AOE, or will simply let them die because I'm not gonna take heal aggro from the 7 other mobs they didn't hit.

Dragono - Lost City · January 2011

PWI is really getting on my nervs more and more b:angry
I have often discussions about how useful Barbs really are and its everything the same.

"Squads with 5aps (or nearly) are much better for farming!"
"Squads without Barb is much faster in FC!"
"Barbs are too silly to pull in FC!"
"Barb Lvl 90+ for instances? Why every class can tank any bosses with 90+ and +12 EQ so why need a Barb any longer?"

So why would anyone want to play a Barb???
The higher you get the more useless the Barbs will be b:cry
Its nearly the same with Wizards I often hear...

Should I tell you what high Lvl classes I see the most?
BM, Sin and maybe Archer is also a big group in the 90-100 range.

I think its completely **** that any class can tank everything if hes gear is only cashed enough or his Lvl high enough.

More opportunity for Barbs and Wizards!!!

Torsay - Sanctuary · January 2011

I prefer BM over barb as tank in FC. By the time mobs get out of stun they are dead.

Dragono - Lost City · January 2011

So thats your opinion on it.
And for me its okay cause you are 90+ so its okay that BM's can tank mobs that are around -15 lvl or their own.

Bit its not okay if BM's and even Sins or Archers can tank bosses and large amounts of mobs in instances...
Thats what we Barbs are made for.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »

I prefer BM over barb as tank in FC. By the time mobs get out of stun they are dead.

using stun =\= tanking ...ijs

If your BM just used HF instead of stun, the mobs would die even faster ...ijs

but someone has to pull. and if you're puller isnt aggroing stuff before returning to bubble - it aint pulling. when was the last time you saw a WC for a sin to pull delta? Even 16k + vit axe BM's will tell me they can't pull Delta like a Barb. Honestly if you want your Barbs in Delta to get experience with how to pull properly - FC is a good training ground. Let em do it I say.

_Spot_ - Lost City · January 2011

Tawarwaith - Sanctuary wrote: »

and you think a barb will tank? They just want hp buff lol Might pull a little gathering some mobs that's all. Really, those who want to tank roll a bm/sin then rush to 90+, cause like me they are bored with a barbs job at 100+. Barbs were always rare, but now more then ever. If I knew in advance 5 aps would come, I would never have lvled my barb to start with.

Then again, not like you really need a barb for fcc. It's just a bit longer... Barb is dead, need to learn to do without 1

Please check my chars I HAVE A BARB I KNOWWWWWWWWWWW....

I just say that you could get a squad without a problem who care woh tanks or not lol......

Most of times i end up tanking bosses and im not a tanker, game changed deal with itb:bye

Then again, not like you really need a barb for fcc. It's just a bit longer... Barb is dead, need to learn to do without 1[/QUOTE] +1

_Spot_ - Lost City · January 2011

Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »

I prefer BM over barb as tank in FC. By the time mobs get out of stun they are dead.

For me the best is going with barb and bm..

Cause has a sin i benefict a lot from Titans buff(really its a huge diference on my dmg) also my blood suck will be higer, making me a better tank,(this goes to bm too).

And dont foget barbs devour or penetrate armor makes bosses go down in 15sec when bm does Heavans flame..

Tearle - Dreamweaver · January 2011

I'm not sure if this has been said already, but there are some barbs that -once upon a time- helped wipe out their own kind. Before most of the fist craze I remember seeing in World Chat.

"Barb looking for bh79- I'm not paying a wine fee and I get 3 stars"
Excuse me, what was that?

"Barb looking for tt1-3 I get gold drops (for repair)"
No, no you don't.

I know this wasn't a huge thing and it seemed to fade away fast but the fact that a certain class assumed that they got this massive advantage over the others for their repair bill was ridiculous.
I can tank my bh's and I can tank some TT's, and i've never once demanded a gold mat because
Mah repairz R higher den yourz.
I haven't seen this in a while thankfully, but for a brief period of time in Dreamweaver at least it was common in World Chat. Funnily enough, most of those barbs seemed to have rerolled.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · January 2011

_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »

Barb is dead

zomg b:shocked ________________________________________________ b:chuckle

_Spot_ - Lost City · January 2011

Tearle - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not sure if this has been said already, but there are some barbs that -once upon a time- helped wipe out their own kind. Before most of the fist craze I remember seeing in World Chat.

"Barb looking for bh79- I'm not paying a wine fee and I get 3 stars"
Excuse me, what was that?

"Barb looking for tt1-3 I get gold drops (for repair)"
No, no you don't.

I know this wasn't a huge thing and it seemed to fade away fast but the fact that a certain class assumed that they got this massive advantage over the others for their repair bill was ridiculous.
I can tank my bh's and I can tank some TT's, and i've never once demanded a gold mat because
Mah repairz R higher den yourz.
I haven't seen this in a while thankfully, but for a brief period of time in Dreamweaver at least it was common in World Chat. Funnily enough, most of those barbs seemed to have rerolled.

has a barb i never done that but i see other barbs doing it...

What hapened to me often were clerics specially on bh 69 that didnt want to pay fee cause "they were clerics"...

Another thing i saw was on arch server on my wiz, the barb on my guild wanted to win more money on "tw due to charm ****" and they always had the first pick on TT...

I always though that was stupid cause ofc barbs charm tick a lot but well my mp charm goes to waste on the same way....ijs

Tearle - Dreamweaver · January 2011

_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »

and they always had the first pick on TT...

I always though that was stupid cause ofc barbs charm tick a lot but well my mp charm goes to waste on the same way....ijs

This^ I mean honestly, I don't mind a tank getting first pick. The thing is though... if you're gonna take the role of tank, you need to do just that and TANK.

Did a tt the other day and the barb refused to go tiger form to tank.
So I end up tanking it and afterward when we're splitting the mats using the tradition lay out [ I grabbed the mats for my friend and took nothing else :,( ]
and the barb starts QQing when the cleric (banker) says he counts as a DD.
He throws a hissy fit, calling us all sorts of names and saying how his repair is the highest even though he didn't get hit by many mobs or the boss (cept AoE)

Cleric got pissed at him and not so nicely told him to shut up and learn his class or GTFO. (I love clerics so much)

Was kinda funny. >_> I don't mind a kitty tank (zomg especially if they're panda

) but please tank if you're gonna tank.

Eoria - Harshlands · January 2011

The problem is...archers were already taking the tank title away from barbs at end-game way before the APS craze. Using an archer tank for most of 3-2/3-3 was faster and easier than going in and doing it melee (hell, it's still easier to just use an archer tank there even though it's not faster anymore). Most of the time, we only used a barb to buff the party and tank Behe. That was it.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · January 2011

So the conclusion is . . play barb for the buffs b:laugh b:cry b:bye

tweakz · January 2011

I think it probably just takes some actual knowledge of the game to play a barb well. A good example is the past few Eden runs I did on my wiz. Barb aggros and tanks the only mag mob in the group while ignoring the melee mobs. Even after I say in squad chat that I can tank the Rhino Drakes better than the phys mobs: the Barb continues to only aggro the mag mobs. Of course we have a couple BMs or ***'s each squad and do they think to tank phys mobs? -no. So: no more AoE from my wiz for these types. Barb can take a beating longer and we're all slowed down for it.

_Spot_ - Lost City · January 2011

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So the conclusion is . . play barb for the buffs b:laugh b:cry b:bye

Its not ppl just like to cry thats the only conclusion...

Cant tt with aps well go with mage classes/guild/friends same goes for nirvana.....

They still can do all bhs...and be useful on squad.....(GV/ fb99 why ppl wouldnt take barb lol)

And its even funnyer when thye QQ about repairs when they probably dont know how much money mage class waste on mp food/charms..

fuzzywuzz · January 2011

XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fuzzy implied barbs aren't broken or there's nothing wrong with them... I am pointing out that there is.

If Zav had perhaps either read Fuzzy's whole post, or stopped to think about it for a second, you would see that was not what he implied.

There can be no doubt that other class's have the ability to tank anything from WB's to BH's at end game. It would be foolish to deny this.

What Fuzzy was ACTUALLY saying was related to the OP's problem with not being able to find a barb for FC. Balance or no balance, there are plenty of barbs around. Just because many other players choose to roll an aps character does not mean that servers have no population of barbs.

The thing is, barbs don't need to answer people begging in WC for a tank. As Fuzzy suggested in his first post on this thread (and me is sure every good barb will agree) by the time you get to 8x+ you have it figured out who you want to squad with. You have a faction or a friends list that is reliable and eager to work with you.

If you need to sit around and waste 100 tele's for 5 hours to find a barb for your FC squad it has nothing to do with lack of barbs. It has nothing to do with balance.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the seemingly apparent fact you have either not befriended the ones you have run with, or you have alienated those who have run with you to the point they don't want to do it again.

Before griping about lack of barbs or character balance or any other "issue of the day" look at your own character and maybe ask yourself why you can't find a barb yet many others don't have the same problem.

tweakz · January 2011

_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »

And its even funnyer when thye QQ about repairs when they probably dont know how much money mage class waste on mp food/charms..

I use less than 1 pot per instance on average and don't use charms. b:chuckle

97 wiz, 102 veno. -both pure mag

AuroraLucia - Archosaur · January 2011

_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »

And its even funnyer when thye QQ about repairs when they probably dont know how much money mage class waste on mp food/charms..

Honestly, many times I don't even use pots/foods unless I am doing RB/BB, and I never invest in MP charms just because HP charms are a better investment for me. It's really pretty simple, at lower levels get gears with +MP recovery, and later on use apothecary items for MP recovery and between IH's, meditate, even if only for a second. With Focus Powder, I have 100 MP recovery. In RB/BB, it goes down to 25, but with the occasional meditation on just regular healing, it jumps to 200 for a second or two. Not to mention sparking to recover MP. Had I know Cleric was this cheap, I would have started with one in the first place.

Of course, this all only applies to Cleric, but still, I think considering a Barb deals with repairs to equipment, as well as MP pots and HP pots if the Cleric's heals aren't doing enough, on top of charms for those big pulls or hard hits, it's not too difficult to believe a Barb would have the most costs.

tweakz · January 2011

+mag > +mprecov

Tamias - Archosaur · January 2011

People say game is dead yet people CS the hell out of it still.

People say barbs are dead but there still seems to be some...

You know I think its very self inflicted when you say **** like "Oh archer/sin/BM can tank I dont need barbs" "I only wants buffs" "You'll slow me down" and then you wonder why you cant find one for the instances that you pretty much can't do without a tank. (Unless of course youre as skilled as the Japanese server on deltas w/ 5 wizzy's 1 cleric...oh wait I forgot everyone spent so much time on 5 APS they dont know what skilled is. And skilled doesnt mean oh looky me I can Occult Ice + HF + BR + poke your butt to death ijs)

As someone said before in another of those 5 APS threads, the only people who don't appreciate barbs are the idiots.

AuroraLucia - Archosaur · January 2011

tweakz wrote: »

+mag > +mprecov

For the magic DD's, perhaps. Considering though that with gears, I have at least an additional 20 MP recovery, that would be equal to 400 mag to get the same recovery. I have no trouble with healing, so it's not like I need the mag to increase my healing abilities. If you do mean for damage though, Jones blessing more than covers any mag I could get from gears.

Unless you are having a hard time keeping your tank and squad in general healed, MP recovery > mag, as it reduces your costs.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · January 2011

tweakz wrote: »

+mag > +mprecov

u need 20mag for 1mp recovery. i have never seen gear with +20mag while i frequently see gear with +4mpregen.

ofc mag have other benefits too but i would rather pick pdef/hp anyway.

Tearle - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Tamias - Archosaur wrote: »

As someone said before in another of those 5 APS threads, the only people who don't appreciate barbs are the idiots.

I think its kind of any tank, be it whatever class, should be appreciated but most people give barb tanks a bad rep. Because when any melee tank could be taken, alot of people would prefer a 5apser for speed even if its a more dangerous route. It seems to me there are alot of low lvl barbs for bh51 (my alt's) but some have seen high lvl kitties using fists and think "oh em gee I can out DD tiger form if I don't use it" D; Its upsetting and not just because it's more dangerous for the squad. I think barbies are cuddly looking in true form

b:cute

ClannedWolf - Heavens Tear · January 2011

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Compilation reason of barbarian disappearance :

- squad = " If you fail once > you are 100% fail barb "
- rank gears change pvp class ranks (some people say barbarian on bottom)

- pain full boring early solo days for some people
- to busy demand / suggest correct true form for untamed
- playing barb (or cleric) may make you mad after several or many failed squad member

- While you trying the best to keep the mob from attacking anyone other than you, the other squishy try their best to make the mob attack them. Then blame you when it happen.
- The game changes make many various way to replace you
- You create the character with help people in mind but after reaching high level people tell you to . . " go away, we only need 5 aps. " b:bye More ironic if the one tell you these is someone who you help before on certain boss, fb, bh, cultivation quest.

- You wondering is the class only there to help squad goes up to high level and left in the dust later

That was various reason i heard . . b:bye

All of this correct this is why I stopped using Clan at his current level...v.v I mean I loved playing this barb to protect people but dang yall can be so picky sometimes. b:surrender
That and they do need to do something about us. People loved my barb in the past because I knew how to take care of my squad. But honestly it feels like we got nerfed when we shouldn't have sigh. I swear It doesn't seem like I can take a hit like I used to.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2011

ehh.. there is lack of barbs at endgame and everyone know the reason.

typical barb is guy with 'teamplayer mindset', and when he hear, that he will be less and less usable in teams (yes, which is true) then he lose main motivation to play..

tweakz · January 2011

ClannedWolf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I swear It doesn't seem like I can take a hit like I used to.

Facebook allows mobs on their site now, so they have the Jones Blessing.

Barb_nico - Harshlands · January 2011

lol i wanna see how much ppl will pay for a 80-90 barb for fc when expansion comes lol if now theres a lack of barb i dont wanna see when EVERYONE reroll on new classes and want to get to 100 fast for r8

oh btw if u qq about lack of barbs why u just dont make a barb?

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