When will BM be fun for me?
Sulvain - Dreamweaver
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Main class is an archer but currently leveled a bm up to 26. I just got my first aoe stun skill. Roar of the Pride. But why am I still taking so much damage? When will it get more fun for me? That's what is puting me off about the bm. I'm adding 3str 1vit 1dex per level. But I'm sucking down potions and second winding like crazy. Is there some dungeons I can run for some better gear? I'm also using my buffs. But out of the Alter Marrow skills I tend to cast the wrong one. I'll cast Alter marrow physical when I think its a melee mob and he'll use a magic attack against me .
Reason I started a bm is because a person in my faction said they were the best grinders there is. They level faster than most other classes and can survive longer than most classes. Its probably just my level but please tell me what I'm doing wrong. My stats are as follows:
Vit-30
Str-80
Mag-5
Dex-30
The skills I currently have and are leveled a bit are as follows:
Draw Blood-5
Stream Strike-1
Aeolian Blade-2
Drake's Ray-5
Aura of the Golden Bell-3
Roar of the Pride-1
Cloud Spring-3
Alter Marrow Magical-3
Alter Marrow Physical-1
That's currently what I have to work with. Is there a certain combo for leveling? I am really wanting to get better at bm but feel I'm failing miserably. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks to those whome reply. b:sadb:surrender
Reason I started a bm is because a person in my faction said they were the best grinders there is. They level faster than most other classes and can survive longer than most classes. Its probably just my level but please tell me what I'm doing wrong. My stats are as follows:
Vit-30
Str-80
Mag-5
Dex-30
The skills I currently have and are leveled a bit are as follows:
Draw Blood-5
Stream Strike-1
Aeolian Blade-2
Drake's Ray-5
Aura of the Golden Bell-3
Roar of the Pride-1
Cloud Spring-3
Alter Marrow Magical-3
Alter Marrow Physical-1
That's currently what I have to work with. Is there a certain combo for leveling? I am really wanting to get better at bm but feel I'm failing miserably. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks to those whome reply. b:sadb:surrender
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my bm is 58, 3str 2dex per level - no extra vit other than any lucky gear. I think i died once since i started him (tried soloing the culti boss out past the mines but ran out of pots!! grr). most phys mobs die before they do too much damage (esp if you use phys marrow) and you can compensate for the magical ones with your magical marrow. essential sutra is a great free heal if you use fists - plenty of spark to spare. I tend to use fist most of time (even without int gear they make for fast chi building) and then switch to axe to drop stun if it is a runner/inc life
also gather some herbs and make hp regen pots as well - they help a bunch when you hit the DOT mobs such as the pyros around the mines area
at the level you are at, quest rewards and lucky drops are the best gear you can get - no point wasting coin for early molds these days. also don't try and level up all the skill paths early on - it gets too costly (coin and spirit wise). stick with 2 at most unless you are gold trading/merchanting and coin isnt a worry. as you can see from my build I am axe/fist. means I can swap some heavy gear over from barb (kept some nice rings etc, tt60 axes ready etc)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
also, once you hit 30, you get a flying mount, and at 40 you get BH's and I think they are tons of fun because you get to do dungeons0
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Ill be honest, up to 30 was a pain to me, up to 40 was alright, but 40+ I love. I love running BH and TTs (Lvl 65+)
I think it also depends on what your weapon is. With less dex, I doubt you're using fists. Which are my primary merely cause they kill quick and move on. I started out as a pure axe but missed all the time and kept nearly dying, but it quickly turned around when I grabbed fists. I, like the second poster, am fist/axe meaning 3str 2dex per lvl. However, I have a tome which adds to my Vit (as well as gear) so I have usually 13-20 vit on me.
Also, once you get the skill Diamond Sutra, it's amazing. This is your heal skill for BM which also, if you have a genie get Second Wind when you can, it's another heal skill (but for your genie) which has saved me so many times when I didn't have a spark to spare.
I liked BM more 40+ but that could just be me. If you really hate playing a bm, maybe it's just not the class for you? Just like I discovered most magic classes aren't my kind. Too squishy for me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It was my fate from birth to make my mark upon this Earth.0 -
Blademaster's get there own heal spell...that's..awsome! heehee. Can you use the skill on other people or is it just for you? Sorry to be posting here. I'm still kinda new and trying to learn about different classes as that's me. So much to learn but little time to play . What makes fists better than any other weapon. I saw a blademaster in lost city today had level 100 claws. Those weapons actually scared me. >< The very thought of being hit by those even made my pet crawl back into his hole. If bm's are blademasters but most are using claws. Why don't they change to name to Claw Master instead heehee ^^.b:cute0
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Me got to 30 in an hour using cool strategies.
But you still take a lot of damage because armor sucks and bell and marrows are not to it's full potential. You will really like BM a lot at level 59+. Having attack speed, aoes, super damage amp, multiple weapons.
Will take you a month of playing just to get to 59 without using cash, but so worth it.AP classes are a real butt pounding...0 -
Was it curiousity that killed the cat or that sin hiding in the corner. Heehee no really. I just got done reading the posts about why people like bm's. They seem alot alike to a barbarian except I guess barbarians don't get to do alot of damage. I've got to say. For an alt my options are wieghing towards a bm. Most classes first 30 or so levels kind of suck I guess. Only class I've played is my veno. I tried wizard and yeah well enough of that heehee. ^^ Off to do more reading.b:cute0
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TBH, its all about play style. Just about any class is fun to use, all depends on how you use it. But as you mentioned, gathering more info on each is class is "to each his own" so to speak. I played BMs for sometime and it took a while to find the path i wanted. i wont go into details about my build cause most people shrug at it (but it works for me, im lvl85 already) and dont care to listen. Anyways, some of what some people say about the first 30 lvls is hard and somewhat boring. But it is hell of alot fun when youre with a buddy. Things get done fast and its easy to talk over what skills you should be using, gear, etc. Especially when you have a veteran player to show you the ropes. The main thing is, dont get discouraged. Everyone will make mistakes on thier toons and wish they hadnt done it. Ive made a few BMs in my life time here and each met with an improved version.
I'm a light armored dexterity build and proud of it.b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Odessa do you use fists on your bm since they use high dex. Was just curious. LA bm which would have if I read correctly ok physical defense and ok magical defense. But if your a la dex build. Why not just go sin? Heehee. Ok back to reading. ^^ b:cute0
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Galliteya - Heavens Tear wrote: »Odessa do you use fists on your bm since they use high dex. Was just curious. LA bm which would have if I read correctly ok physical defense and ok magical defense. But if your a la dex build. Why not just go sin? Heehee. Ok back to reading. ^^ b:cute
Yes i use pure fist, and no other weapons and yes this includes NOT using axes. Yes my phy/mag is decent but im very well geared. If i go Sin, then im another Sin out there... who for God knows why, they all look the same XD. Seriously though, i've tried to explain to people in-game but usually turns into a flame fest... "blah blah axes are better, blah blah ur fail bm, blah blah"
Reason i do LA Dex build is because ive played my Archer for the longest. I know how to deal with my toon. I have GREAT EXPERIENCE in that field. And i already know what and how i wanted my bm to be. Different? Hell ya im different. It doesnt say anywhere i have to use HA or Axes... or Heaven's Flame!!!! to build a Blademaster.
Bottom line is, people are just too damn afraid to be different. You'll never know the experience unless you tried it yourself. And i thought a 5 aps Cleric was dumb.b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I dont care if yer light armor or anything, but you do fail as a BM if you dont have at least lvl 1 heavens flame and a set of npc axes on you during dungeon runs.
I mean, negating one of the best amplification skills in the game because "I dun wanna" is just silly. HF IS BM. you could wear arcane armor and attack with a magic sword and most people would just ask "he has an axe for hf right?"0 -
Leolin - Dreamweaver wrote: »I dont care if yer light armor or anything, but you do fail as a BM if you dont have at least lvl 1 heavens flame and a set of npc axes on you during dungeon runs.
I mean, negating one of the best amplification skills in the game because "I dun wanna" is just silly. HF IS BM. you could wear arcane armor and attack with a magic sword and most people would just ask "he has an axe for hf right?"
Sigh, like i really care what you think.b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
You don't have to care about what we think, but you should at least take into consideration some of his points. BMs have 4 weapon paths for a reason, each one suited for different situations and uses. By restraining yourself to only fists, you're limiting the potential of your BM. It's like having 2 arms and 2 legs, but only using one of them just because you feel like it.
Bottom line I guess is, yeah you can do what you want and you don't have to care about what we say, but you could do so much more.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Get Diamond Sutra at 29 for your BM and Second Wind for your Genie...0
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Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »You don't have to care about what we think, but you should at least take into consideration some of his points. BMs have 4 weapon paths for a reason, each one suited for different situations and uses. By restraining yourself to only fists, you're limiting the potential of your BM. It's like having 2 arms and 2 legs, but only using one of them just because you feel like it.
Bottom line I guess is, yeah you can do what you want and you don't have to care about what we say, but you could do so much more.
And thats the problem with you bms, youre all the same, u do the same, u look the same, heck u all sound the same... the real problem is u guys cant admit to being/wanting to be different from the rest. Obviously u guys dont care what my points are so why should i do the same? Saying "you HAVE to" is NOT a valid point/or one to take into consideration. Seriously, get over it.b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
It is starting to get fun for me now. I just got to level 30. I use claws because it seems to keep my chi filled up better so I can stun and use Diamond Sutra more often. I imagine having Sting of Thorns is helping me out quite a bit though.0
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Fist/Claws have a better atk rate than any other type of weapon. That's why you can build up ur chi quicker. The faster your atk rate is, the quicker it is to build up.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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OdessaWolf - Dreamweaver wrote: »And thats the problem with you bms, youre all the same, u do the same, u look the same, heck u all sound the same... the real problem is u guys cant admit to being/wanting to be different from the rest. Obviously u guys dont care what my points are so why should i do the same? Saying "you HAVE to" is NOT a valid point/or one to take into consideration. Seriously, get over it.b:bye
Do you have any other reason for not using heavens flame and an npc axe in a dungeon,other than you don't want to use a skill all other bms use?0 -
Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »Do you have any other reason for not using heavens flame and an npc axe in a dungeon,other than you don't want to use a skill all other bms use?
It's clear as day light, i dont want to be another cookie cutter build. What is wrong being DIFFERENT? Does being DIFFERENT make people scared? Have you tried being DIFFERENT? I fully understand the HF skill, i really do. But my play style and taste does not have the need for HF. Whether you see it as a handicap, i dont.b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OdessaWolf - Dreamweaver wrote: »It's clear as day light, i dont want to be another cookie cutter build. What is wrong being DIFFERENT? Does being DIFFERENT make people scared? Have you tried being DIFFERENT? I fully understand the HF skill, i really do. But my play style and taste does not have the need for HF. Whether you see it as a handicap, i dont.b:bye
thats like saying "i dont have a **** but thats not a handicap i can still hhve sex right?"
grow a metaphorical **** or no squads will want to have runsex with youGifs are hard to make work here0 -
OdessaWolf - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yes i use pure fist, and no other weapons and yes this includes NOT using axes. Yes my phy/mag is decent but im very well geared. If i go Sin, then im another Sin out there... who for God knows why, they all look the same XD. Seriously though, i've tried to explain to people in-game but usually turns into a flame fest... "blah blah axes are better, blah blah ur fail bm, blah blah"
Reason i do LA Dex build is because ive played my Archer for the longest. I know how to deal with my toon. I have GREAT EXPERIENCE in that field. And i already know what and how i wanted my bm to be. Different? Hell ya im different. It doesnt say anywhere i have to use HA or Axes... or Heaven's Flame!!!! to build a Blademaster.
Bottom line is, people are just too damn afraid to be different. You'll never know the experience unless you tried it yourself. And i thought a 5 aps Cleric was dumb.b:chuckle
I use swords, never touching the fist/axe/spear branches of the trees. Though I'm using heavy armor because of my 3.5str/1.5dex per level build. I'm a bit squishy, but I started doing 1k+ damage sparked starting at level 49. Skills are starting to cost a bit much though, but that's just one of the things we benefit from by sticking to 1 weapon type.OdessaWolf - Dreamweaver wrote: »Sigh, like i really care what you think.b:byeAsperitas - Lost City wrote: »You don't have to care about what we think, but you should at least take into consideration some of his points. BMs have 4 weapon paths for a reason, each one suited for different situations and uses. By restraining yourself to only fists, you're limiting the potential of your BM. It's like having 2 arms and 2 legs, but only using one of them just because you feel like it.
Bottom line I guess is, yeah you can do what you want and you don't have to care about what we say, but you could do so much more.
If people are picky about it, fine. We don't need FC, or a picky faction. If they're anything like the criticism Odessa's getting in this thread, we could do without them, regardless if they accept us or not.
@ the OP: BMs get fun at level 29. So many skill options then, plus you get a makeover scroll and a flying sword around that level. Aim for that level.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OdessaWolf - Dreamweaver wrote: »It's clear as day light, i dont want to be another cookie cutter build. What is wrong being DIFFERENT? Does being DIFFERENT make people scared? Have you tried being DIFFERENT? I fully understand the HF skill, i really do. But my play style and taste does not have the need for HF. Whether you see it as a handicap, i dont.b:bye
Ughh,you don't need to be the same build as everyone else to drop a hf on a boss you know,but hey if you are never ever in a squad wanting that boss to die quicker...
Oh i was one of the first heavy venos on pwi(that i know for a fact),so yeah i have been DIFFERENT,but i still used my amp damage.0 -
Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ughh,you don't need to be the same build as everyone else to drop a hf on a boss you know,but hey if you are never ever in a squad wanting that boss to die quicker...
Oh i was one of the first heavy venos on pwi(that i know for a fact),so yeah i have been DIFFERENT,but i still used my amp damage.
Yet again, i repeat, i dont need HF. How i play my toon is my business. If people dont like it oh well, sucks to be them.
Oh, HA Veno, yawn ...zzZ, nothing new there...b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If you never want to do frost, never want to do nirvana, TW or serious PVP then sure, you can play how you want. Just do us a favor and tell your party about your build before you enter the instance so they can boot you if they don't like it. I hate porting in only to realize that the BM isn't going to be able to do his job. It's like a cleric joining a squad and then mentioning once everyone teleported that he's a metal mage and has no heals.0
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Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ughh,you don't need to be the same build as everyone else to drop a hf on a boss you know,but hey if you are never ever in a squad wanting that boss to die quicker...
Oh i was one of the first heavy venos on pwi(that i know for a fact),so yeah i have been DIFFERENT,but i still used my amp damage.Arlenia - Dreamweaver wrote: »If you never want to do frost, never want to do nirvana, TW or serious PVP then sure, you can play how you want. Just do us a favor and tell your party about your build before you enter the instance so they can boot you if they don't like it. I hate porting in only to realize that the BM isn't going to be able to do his job. It's like a cleric joining a squad and then mentioning once everyone teleported that he's a metal mage and has no heals.
And I can't speak for everyone, but I'm no PvPer. Never have, and by the sound of how PvP functions in just about any MMO, I never will. Just the fact that serious PvPing forces one to take on a cookie cutter build is a complete turn off for me. Maybe I'd get into it if I start playing something that involves real skill, but not in a game like this when you have to play a certain way no matter what class you get, and you're expected to have certain equipment, skills, etc.
I've known the consequences of this far before making this character... or even before PWI existed. I can't speak for Odessa, but I doubt she's a fool either. I'm sure she appreciates the constructive criticism, but I doubt it'll help. There are people that don't take games seriously(and it's not because we have other stuff to do with our lives or anything), and we like having fun our own way. That's what games are for, after all.
tl;dr - It's our problem, not yours. Chillax. b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Fact is, whether you want to or not, you are often inconveniencing your squad by not using HF and making things go a lot slower than they have to. And by not being able to AOE the way you could with axes. There's a reason why 99.9% of all BMs own a set of axes. In some instances, like RB for example, it's just not possible to complete it without that. In other cases things will just be slowed down.
I appreciate that you're honest about your unconventional build though. That way people can at least adapt to the fact that you won't be playing the usual BM role in the squad and maybe invite another BM and have you just DD. Problem is that not everyone is so thoughtful, and I've often enough struggled through an instance with a squad member that was more a hindrance than a help (most noiceable with important party members like barbs and clerics. DDs tend to be able to slide by)0 -
Arlenia - Dreamweaver wrote: »Fact is, whether you want to or not, you are often inconveniencing your squad by not using HF and making things go a lot slower than they have to. And by not being able to AOE the way you could with axes. There's a reason why 99.9% of all BMs own a set of axes. In some instances, like RB for example, it's just not possible to complete it without that. In other cases things will just be slowed down.Arlenia - Dreamweaver wrote: »I appreciate that you're honest about your unconventional build though. That way people can at least adapt to the fact that you won't be playing the usual BM role in the squad and maybe invite another BM and have you just DD. Problem is that not everyone is so thoughtful, and I've often enough struggled through an instance with a squad member that was more a hindrance than a help (most noiceable with important party members like barbs and clerics. DDs tend to be able to slide by)
I compare it to driving through the main drag of town. If you see a guy coming up behind you really fast(even if he's not driving toward a hospital), you have 2 choices. 1-speed up so he don't need to pass you, or get out of his way and let him do what he wants. Because some people just like to do things fast, and don't like to stop and smell the roses.
...well I thought it was a good analogy when it was in my head, at least. b:avoid
Anyway, I'm not personally missing out on any game features, cause I have 33 characters(an even 40 in Genesis), and a few of those are bound to be accepted into squads. b:pleased And out of those, I have 6 BMs, and I want to make them unique from each other, both skill and stat build-wise. Buuuuuut my current favorite of those is a sword-only BM, so... yeah. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I don't mean to be rude, but by using purely fist or purely sword, or purely anything for that matter, isn't being unique. I have the same set of sword skills as you that I use when I need to. I have the same set of fist skills as you that I use when I need to.
You might differentiate yourself in build, but skills wise, I have the same skills as you do. I can do the same as you, and more.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
It don't matter.
It's bad enough that we don't have enough options in classes already. I'm sick of the only options being "Jack-of-all-Trades" or "gimp". We want to specialize, even if we can do a lot more. Why try to take this away from us? Because that's what it feels like you're doing. "Don't play this way", "The way you play is wrong, I don't like it", "Take this game seriously", etc. I'm sick of hearing it after 5-6 years.
Sorry if I seems angry, I'm just very jaded at this behavior. It's just a game, and just because you want to use everything at your disposal to have the optimal leveling speed and combat performance doesn't mean it's anywhere near as desirable for others.
Yes, someone isn't using the skills they could be using. Big deal. All you have to do is ignore them in and out of the game if it bothers you so much. As for me, I'm the head of a project to make a new MMO so people out there like me will be able to be as good/competitive as the rest of you without looking like a newb. Till then, I'm stuck in this game, making the best out of the crappy choices I have.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Julian - Dreamweaver wrote: »It don't matter.
It's bad enough that we don't have enough options in classes already. I'm sick of the only options being "Jack-of-all-Trades" or "gimp". We want to specialize, even if we can do a lot more. Why try to take this away from us? Because that's what it feels like you're doing. "Don't play this way", "The way you play is wrong, I don't like it", "Take this game seriously", etc. I'm sick of hearing it after 5-6 years.
Sorry if I seems angry, I'm just very jaded at this behavior. It's just a game, and just because you want to use everything at your disposal to have the optimal leveling speed and combat performance doesn't mean it's anywhere near as desirable for others.
Yes, someone isn't using the skills they could be using. Big deal. All you have to do is ignore them in and out of the game if it bothers you so much. As for me, I'm the head of a project to make a new MMO so people out there like me will be able to be as good/competitive as the rest of you without looking like a newb. Till then, I'm stuck in this game, making the best out of the crappy choices I have.
gratz your bm is totaly useless
archers/sins out DD you, barbs can hold aggro better, wizzies/psys aoe better than you other bm's can do more DPS have more rage skills can amp debuff and stun tank and aoe better than your build
your a waste of a squad spot...
if your ok with that by all means play away but do not even pretend your a usefull BM
want to use blades and get a squad? roll a damn seekerGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »gratz your bm is totaly useless
archers/sins out DD you, barbs can hold aggro better, wizzies/psys aoe better than you other bm's can do more DPS have more rage skills can amp debuff and stun tank and aoe better than your build
your a waste of a squad spot...
if your ok with that by all means play away but do not even pretend your a usefull BM
want to use blades and get a squad? roll a damn seeker
I don't think you like the fact that someone isn't playing by your rules.
Go cry me a river.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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