Archer or Sin?

'Sins suck in TW'. Not a great statement, really. A better statement would be 'the number of things that a sin can do in TW better than other classes is limited'.

Allow me to elaborate.

When it comes to doing aoes, do not underestimate range. Being able to hit a bunch of people and have time to react when you see somebody headed your way is very important in the often-laggy, blur of activity that constitutes TW. Archers can more safely do aoes, and can wizzies and psychics.

However, to say that a sin cannot do well in TW is nonsense. As with any class, the brains behind the keyboard determines everything. Here are some things sins do really well.

1) Scouting. Sins are so omnipresent nowadays that perhaps you forget where your intel is coming from. Guess who! (Waves).

2) Picking off isolated targets. Not all TW is group pk. As is already well established beyond doubt, sins excel at 1 versus 1 pk. So as a sin, if you wish, you can seek out ppl who are isolated from their group and pick them off.

3) Aoes: The combo mentioned by somebody else is inadequate. The real combo is this:

The TW Aoe combo

Buff up with the normal buffs used for aoeing. Deaden nerves (can't get one hit), tidal protection (50% chance to evade the status effect of the skill... this could save you from a wizard seal), and chill of the deep (adds 30 attack levels to slow your attack speed some; however, we don't care about attack speed when doing an aoe).

Start. (399 chi)

Power dash (199 chi). 8 seconds of really high crit. Why power dash first? In my experience, starting with maze steps first is a bad idea, since it runs out too soon before you can force stealth. And I have never had anybody with reflexes fast enough to tab to me and seal or sleep me before I can then press maze steps. Remember, if you are clicked on another person, when somebody attacks you, you do not automatically reselect to that person.
Maze steps (99 chi). 10seconds of stun resist.
Apothecary item of choice to make you invincible to damage.

-pause-
If you were in a rush and you attacked first, you should now have everybody's attention. In the worst case scenario, a wizard seals you. Stop the combo, and force stealth. Another non-win scenario is if two or 3 people chain absolute domain. However, IF you were the first person to attack these ppl and they are all focused on you, this invincible target, and they use their genies, you have just made them distracted from the rest of your squad. Lets not forget the bm coming in to aoe stun, the wiz in the back getting ready to hit with some aoes, etc, etc, etc.

On the other hand, in the more-likely scenario that the ppl you attacked were already engaged in combo, there is a decent chance that not everybody will notice you right away. In that case, you are free to resume the combo with no impediments.
-resume-

Inner harmony (instant 2 sparks, 299 chi)
Subsea strike (99 chi). Aoe dmg, amps 30% for 8s (15s for demon). If the squad you are with is well coordinated, the bm should hf right about now.
Bramble rage. Genie skill which has a high chance to crit, is amped, and possibly hfed. Well hf would be a luxury, but an amped, crit bramble rage hits like a TRUCK. Used against light armor, heavy armor, or low hp arcane, it is very, very deadly.
Earthen Rift. Aoe dmg 400% of wep. The demon version adds 2m more of range, which means it can hit more ppl.
Force stealth

So lets take a look at what we just did. First of all, we did not die. Second of all, we performed 3 aoes, most of which probably crit, and all of which likely did a lot of damage per hit to all in the area. If people aren't dead, they should be close to dying. Enter your squad.

So what if the cleric expels? Continue the combo anyways, and you have a good chance of killing the others. If it turns out the others die, don't even bother force stealthing, just go after the cleric when expel runs out.

I can say I have used this combo to great effect in many situations.

Incidentally, the problem of bramble can be resolved by using a hp pot when you plan your attack. Or if you are privileged enough to have the lvl 100 skill 'blood frenzy' (a blood-paint on steroids), you can heal yourself by attacking, even if you do take large reflect damage. Incidentally, Okeano, those numbers seem realllly high, I have never seen numbers like that for a reflect on cleric. What is your gear like?



tl:dr

To sum up, sins can do three things pretty well.
1) Scout
2) Pick off isolated ppl.
3) A very hard-hitting aoe combo combining physical and magic dmg, which can be executed from stealth, and has the real possibility of killing both arcanes and heavy armor characters.

That being said, archers are probably still a superior choice. But to say sins 'suck' in TW as a RULE? Absurd.

-Azzazin

@Azzazzin: I feel dumb right now after reading your post, for expressing myself so poorly. But I even learned from it

Sage sins in TW > demon ones... it's all about skill spam, and Subsea has 50% amp. (yes the sin I was talking about is sage with all but 2 skills, twin strike and something else I don't remember)

my 1st char on this game was an archer it is nice to play but i think a sin is better ...and it doesn't suck in TW b:laugh

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Heres an idea... ever wonder that their gear is just average... and you're the one thats below average (instead of assuming that you are average).




so you think my r8 is op? but here is the thing... there is like a dozen other archer in my guild with r8. which just makes me average.

Most of my targets are TT90 in armor refined lower (+4 or +5) not +7. Heck I even use attack charms for one-shots. So technically my weapon is above their armor/defenses/refines. Not all of course. That's why we have a squad, we can take even the most OP cash shopper. (we have a +12 everything sin on the server, but bad in skill though)

The question you could be asking yourself is what do I like the best to play.It is really up to you to decide on what you want not us.