Archer or Sin?

ZackXz - Harshlands

I'm really stuck inbetween what char to play, I've been archer for a long while while my sin is near 8x, But still I cant decide, I hear sins are OP and I don't feel like being owned by a sin, but I also hear they're boring while I loved archer for a long time I really am stuck in this massive dillema, the fact that almost every archer I know has a sin alt is is rerolling >< Help me decide please guys I really can't choose, Everytime I watch a Transcend vid (My inspiration for Archer) I want to continue being an archer but I'm really stressing over what to go. I would play both but I can't see myself afford to level both chars to 100 then kitting them out differently I'm a pvp person not really pve, I like TW alot and I enjoy playing a class that doesn't drop easy in PvP and Is really fun, any advice?

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm a pvp person not really pve, I like TW alot and I enjoy playing a class that doesn't drop easy in PvP

Assassin.

Lutirica - Harshlands

go archer sins are not as cool

Aisubeki - Sanctuary

make both, invest in an account stash stone. they use the same gear, and share the same build, thats what i ended up doing. i have a high level archer, and decent leveled assassin in the works.

NSAT - Lost City

heres an idea! try it out urself

Dorset - Heavens Tear

played sin to lvl 66 then switched to archer, have now retired sin. yeah sins are awsome fun but i wish i could tank more on my sin. i ended up getting Rambo syndrome and killing myself and causing problems for cleric cause i kept forgettign how squishy my pure dex sin was (9 dex 1 str every 2 lvls and the best gear i could get Coinage) i much preffer my archer i use the same build and Pwn from afar. mobs just dont get near me. plus i one shot my hubby in duels. hes a sin of teh same lvl as my archer

Aisubeki - Sanctuary

Dorset - Heavens Tear wrote: »

played sin to lvl 66 then switched to archer, have now retired sin. yeah sins are awsome fun but i wish i could tank more on my sin. i ended up getting Rambo syndrome and killing myself and causing problems for cleric cause i kept forgettign how squishy my pure dex sin was (9 dex 1 str every 2 lvls and the best gear i could get Coinage) i much preffer my archer i use the same build and Pwn from afar. mobs just dont get near me. plus i one shot my hubby in duels. hes a sin of teh same lvl as my archer

no wonder you died alot, you had a crappy build. the build is 8/2 not 9/1. we're not mages, we need level + 4 in both stats to wear our next set of LA.

Krosan - Dreamweaver

Dorset - Heavens Tear wrote: »

played sin to lvl 66 then switched to archer, have now retired sin. yeah sins are awsome fun but i wish i could tank more on my sin. i ended up getting Rambo syndrome and killing myself and causing problems for cleric cause i kept forgettign how squishy my pure dex sin was (9 dex 1 str every 2 lvls and the best gear i could get Coinage) i much preffer my archer i use the same build and Pwn from afar. mobs just dont get near me. plus i one shot my hubby in duels. hes a sin of teh same lvl as my archer

You should've had bit more patience. Sins can tank a helluva lot more than archer bit later. Even as soon as 70 a sin can solo the PQ boss while archer has trouble dealing with the mobs around there even. 80/90+ the gap between their solo potential just keeps on growing.

Dorset - Heavens Tear

meh i like my build the missing str points were made up by my Gear. when i switched to archer i use the same build as on my sin. the build you mentioned till lvl 30 then 9/1 from then on. i never had any problems with my archer she just Pwns and i use the same gear for her that i used on my sin.

the build is 8/2 not 9/1.

Who says? is there some rule about this? i like the extra power

You should've had bit more patience

you misunderstood i didnt switch to archer cause i couldnt tank. i was runnign my archer as an alt then switched. i always run a lot of alts thats why im not v high despite a year + of play.

HeartandSoul - Heavens Tear

seriously why even care how someone else builds their char its just a game an also she has really never had a problem with her build at all.. to the op SIN all the way b:cute althought my alt is also an archer they both very different classes and are both fun to play

Longknife - Harshlands

Assassin is pretty trash in TW. It just doesn't give them the opportunities to stealth and run that they so badly need, and they have to be up in their opponent's face, which usually puts them in a position where they're behind enemy lines and they'll quickly die. Archer on the other hand is absolutely key, seeing as they're -THE- class to take down wizzies/Psys/venos the fastest.


As for PVP, I think both would be boring. Sins typically just spend hours waiting for their opponent to be weakened or distracted, Archers I fight generally use running away at key points (For example, if I Psy will, a wizard uses Force of Will or if a barb uses Invoke the Spirit) as their defense tactic. Maybe some people would like the running part but that's just boring, imo.

ZackXz - Harshlands

Oh well this is still tough for me =/

Azzazin - Dreamweaver

Alrighty, I can comment a bit. I'll *try* to be unbiased.

You say you enjoy PVP. Are you referring to the type of PVP you might find at OT (Orchid Temple)? Or are you referring to TW?

It is an undeniable fact that archers are *generally* superior in TW due to their weapon range. An assassin has to get up close, and as we all know, assassins aren't really designed to take a lot of hits. Neither are archers, however, archers can avoid being hit due to their range. And lets not forget barrage of arrows, pretty much the most powerful constant-aoe out there. However, it is also an undeniable fact that assassins are *generally* superior in a 1 on 1 fight, and *can* do decently well in group pk if the person behind the keyboard has half a brain.

Why are assassins so good at 1 on 1 pk? They have at their disposal: a very long immoblization attack, a stun, another stun, a seal, sleep skill, chi skills for much sparking, and of course, stealth. Oh yeah, lets not forget a skill to avoid one shots, a skill to resist stuns, a skill to increase crit rate, and buffs to avoid taking dmg *or* avoid status effects on skills. Archers have a great arsenal of pk skills too, but not like an assassin does.

I might also point on some of the differences in PVE. As you know, assassins and archers wear essentially the same gear, and so bosses tend to hit them for the same damage.
The difference is once again range.

If a boss is easier tanked at range, archers (with passive bow mastery) do greater damage at range, and they are also able to stay further away from the mob/boss they are tanking/killing. This is very useful in the case where the boss in question does a much greater melee damage than range damage. A sin using a bow will not have that mastery, and will only be 20meters away from the target.

In melee range, however, sins have a huge advantage, due to two important skills: (1) blood paint (heals your for 2% of your dmg dealt, which, if you are 5 aps, is a hell-of-a-lot of hp), and (2), rib strike (50% slowdown of boss attack, 65% if you are demon like me). So in melee range, an assassin can not only reduce the dmg they take, they can also recover hp while tanking. Of course, I am referring more towards endgame here; I did not start tanking in a major way until 90+ (and I started with solo TT bosses; now I tank almost anything). For the records, I am a pure dext build, and only 2.86 aps sparked atm (and still able to pull off a quasi-perma spark).

Hope this helps you out a bit.

-Azzazin

ZackXz - Harshlands

Thanks for the post Azzazin this is really helpful but I like all types of pvp TW and HO stuff, also I really would love to know if a sin and an archer had the same gear, would a sin always own the archer due to its pvp skills? thats what Im most worried about and ofcourse is the sin a fun class to play since most of the people only spark and attack or just depend on 5aps.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

also I really would love to know if a sin and an archer had the same gear, would a sin always own the archer due to its pvp skills?

Yes.

Because in the occasion the archer might own the sin, sin goes invisible and tries again.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Assassin is pretty trash in TW.

You have no idea what you are talking about. People there must be pretty bad and have no coordination at all. An assassin scout squad is essential. It has got to the point where clerics on the opposing have accused our sins (especially one in particular) of "hacking" for always knowing where their clerics and squishies are and always taking them out.

Assassins can also kill a cluster of squishies without any warning in the blink of an eye (Maze Steps->Ironguard->Subsea->Bramble->Earthen Rift->Stealth), making them trying to hold off attackers when they already are disadvantaged almost impossible. And all this massacre is done by a single well coordinated scout squad.

Let's just say this. Sins' targets are squishies. Squishies which usually target sins back. Most sins have a higher kill/death ratio than 1.0 for TW. That says a lot about the effectiveness doesn't it, when you have more kills against your targets than they do against you. (of course squishies will get a lot of kills, possibly more, due to ranged advantage, but I am only counting the kills against sins not barbs or anything else).

But then I'm pretty sure you are a 1-shot to a headhunt crit from a sin. At worst, he will stealth back and gain a kill per 90 seconds -- effectively kinda disabling you from doing anything in the TW. At worst, such a non-coordinated sin can trade himself for an enemy squishy. So nothing that puts your own side at a disadvantage (but not advantage either).

kenlee

on our server they are pretty much useless in tw. once because there are plenty of aoe to knock them out and because ppl buff bramble and they get more damage back than they do

ZackXz - Harshlands

In all honesty if Sins can only kill squishies well its not very good, a main factor of archer I like is the epicness of magic attacks and melee it works very well and I can fight almost any class in the air mostly. Unless its a sin on ground that gets me off guard and usually (this may because of my begginer TT90 gears) but they own me pretty easily, I just want to know if there are any 100+ Archers that can easily kill sins the same level, meaning is there ANY margin of competition between sins and archers in a 1v1 PvP against each other.

Lutirica - Harshlands

then be an archer and let that be the end of it you can play both classes to

ZackXz - Harshlands

Not as easy as you think since I will most likely not have the time for both chars and not be able to gear them accordingly AKA Bow and Dagger, everything else well I can just swap and leveling is annoying too.

Marche - Harshlands

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Not as easy as you think since I will most likely not have the time for both chars and not be able to gear them accordingly AKA Bow and Dagger, everything else well I can just swap and leveling is annoying too.

same account and account stash FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZackXz - Harshlands

Weapons Marche @_@

Borsuc - Raging Tide

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

In all honesty if Sins can only kill squishies well its not very good, a main factor of archer I like is the epicness of magic attacks and melee it works very well and I can fight almost any class in the air mostly.

Well if you manage to stun a barb or someone else keeps him locked, as a sin you can kill him through invoke sparked if you have 5aps...

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I just want to know if there are any 100+ Archers that can easily kill sins the same level, meaning is there ANY margin of competition between sins and archers in a 1v1 PvP against each other.

Against competent sins? None.
Whatever anti-stun you use or skill to avoid their locks, is wasted because they will shadow escape and come back with a new stun.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

In all honesty if Sins can only kill squishies well its not very good, a main factor of archer I like is the epicness of magic attacks and melee it works very well and I can fight almost any class in the air mostly. Unless its a sin on ground that gets me off guard and usually (this may because of my begginer TT90 gears) but they own me pretty easily, I just want to know if there are any 100+ Archers that can easily kill sins the same level, meaning is there ANY margin of competition between sins and archers in a 1v1 PvP against each other.

I know one archer that can do that. But even he gets destroyed by some sins on our server, mainly by the best geared one.

Admante - Dreamweaver

<- Archer going BM

**** sins. I love being not squishy anymore

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Weapons Marche @_@

My archer already has a lunar bow and a lunar claw. I can't see why it'll be out of my means to get a dagger on top of that. Besides, if I had to get a dagger I'd....I dunno, sell my claws since I won't need them anymore.

Anyways I don't really like playing melee classes. I'll stick with my archer kthnx.

ZackXz - Harshlands

Marche - Harshlands wrote: »

same account and account stash FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know one archer that can do that. But even he gets destroyed by some sins on our server, mainly by the best geared one.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My archer already has a lunar bow and a lunar claw. I can't see why it'll be out of my means to get a dagger on top of that. Besides, if I had to get a dagger I'd....I dunno, sell my claws since I won't need them anymore.

Anyways I don't really like playing melee classes. I'll stick with my archer kthnx.

I don't own a lunar, and fair enough about the melee stuff.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't own a lunar, and fair enough about the melee stuff.

On that point its a little misleading for a level 92 archer to have the rank 8 bow in their sig.

ZackXz - Harshlands

I like the bow is it a crime?

Lutirica - Harshlands

wow this thread is still here

Noskrad - Heavens Tear

ZackXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm really stuck inbetween what char to play, I've been archer for a long while while my sin is near 8x, But still I cant decide, I hear sins are OP and I don't feel like being owned by a sin, but I also hear they're boring while I loved archer for a long time I really am stuck in this massive dillema, the fact that almost every archer I know has a sin alt is is rerolling >< Help me decide please guys I really can't choose, Everytime I watch a Transcend vid (My inspiration for Archer) I want to continue being an archer but I'm really stressing over what to go. I would play both but I can't see myself afford to level both chars to 100 then kitting them out differently I'm a pvp person not really pve, I like TW alot and I enjoy playing a class that doesn't drop easy in PvP and Is really fun, any advice?

Go Archer. Thei're better for TW, assassins are great for 1 vs 1 PvP only.