Bramble + Clerics = ???

krystalsaber
krystalsaber Posts: 0 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Venomancer
So I was super happy when I first got bramble 'cause hey there's a buff I can use on my buddies right? And I randomly buffed people I ran into, until a high level cleric in my faction told me that brambling a cleric is about the worst thing I could have done because it lowers their already low defense (gotta love those squishies though).

Do anyone know why? Because the skill descript on bramble only says that it "Returns __ % of melee damage to attackers. Lasts 10 minutes." Doesn't mention anything about affecting defense, whether increasing (a big myth-a duh read the skill description) or decreasing it (?another myth? not in the description?)

Is it because of some cleric buff? But if it was one of those, wouldn't the same apply to ALL other class characters after they recieve the cleric buffs?

If it's not some cleric buff then is it something unique about the clerics themselves? But if it has to do with their gear...well aren't other character's squishy? I'm a LA veno but a lot are arcane so they're pretty squishy too...

I don't understand! HELP ME! b:cry
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  • Kali - Raging Tide
    Kali - Raging Tide Posts: 798 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    That cleric is a noob. No bramble does not reduce a Clerics defense. Or anyone elses.
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  • krystalsaber
    krystalsaber Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Oh and I wanted to post this in venomon land before I get bombarded/executed by the clerics though they probably know better...thought it'd be safer b:surrender
  • Xaeria - Dreamweaver
    Xaeria - Dreamweaver Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    As said, it doesn't lower defense, but it does generate aggro when the damage gets reflected back. For squishy characters this could be disastrous (though really, if you're smart and the tank/less squishy people are paying attention, it should be fine), especially clerics since they're usually too busy healing and such to pwn the mobs.
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    As stated, doesn't reduce defenses, just returns damage (which generates aggro, which can be a problem if you don't have someone there who can manage it).

    In general, it never hurts to ask. It's like crack to some clerics I know while others treat it like the plague. It can also be situational (like no bramble in warsong/rb). If you ask, they can't complain at you. :)

    Although, there are some places where you should always bramble everyone, regardless of what they say. (Bosses that use a phys AOE - TT Drum Boss, Soul Banisher, etc).
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    bramble reducing defenses? hogwash. it does no such thing.

    the reason some people don't want to be brambled is that --- as has been stated --- damage that bramble reflects counts as damage dealt by the brambled person, which means it generates aggro. this can make it a bit harder for a tank to get aggro off of the said brambled person, and some folks --- especially clerics --- don't want to ever have aggro; if they by some chance get it, they only want for somebody else to take it off them ASAP; and if bramble builds aggro, that ASAP might turn out to be a second or two later than if they hadn't been brambled.

    others, again, love bramble. melee characters tend to, and barbs in particular almost always want it. me, i usually bramble melee chars by default and others if they ask for it; if in doubt, ask.

    (i almost never bramble myself, though. i steal aggro from my pet enough as it is, and playing aggro ping-pong with my pet gets easier without bramble. i only level bramble these days because i know barbs probably want it as high-level as possible.)
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Excluding the 5 APS fest that's been going on these days, bramble actually benefits melee tanks that aren't barbs more than barbs themselves (not to say that you shouldn't bramble a barb), since barbs have [more] skills designed to gain and hold aggro than other classes that are fit to tank.

    Generally, if someone is "tanking" they should be brambled. Tanking can mean either one or two people designated to take hits or all people who can withstand a hit or two, depending on how comfortable your squad is.

    Keep in mind that bramble only works with melee damage. It has a null effect when range tanking magic attacks.

    Another benefit to maxing bramble guard is that it unlocks bramble hood, which is a self buff only, but it drastically reduces the damage you take and can be a life saver in a pinch.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Without knowing they want it, it's just plain rude / offensive to bramble an Arcane which is not designed to receive melee damage. Bramble only works on melee, and it increases aggro when it works: so it can put aggro where it shouldn't be. If you'd like to be even more of an ***, then inform them to just use Alpha Male to remove it if they don't want it.

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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    LOL, bramble doesn't change defense at all, all it does is to reflect some physical damage back. It "only" doesn't work in world pvp. Barbarians love this buff because it makes it so much easier for them to grab agro and hold it, so if you want to have a happy kitty, give them this buff xD

    However, I don't recommend to give this buff to squishes (clerics, wizards, maybe you, etc.) because if they get agro by physical mobs it will make it harder for the barb or whoever is tanking to retake agro.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kali - Raging Tide wrote: »
    That cleric is a noob. No bramble does not reduce a Clerics defense. Or anyone elses.

    Then you are noob as well as it attracks aggro from mobs even on yourself.You only use Bramble in werefox and on trueform Barbs.i have died several time to Venos doing this to me in BHs and aggroed a mob.You only use Bramble in were fox or trueform Barbs so they can hold aggro.

    Ckerics already have their own defenses.
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Then you are noob as well as it attracks aggro from mobs even on yourself.You only use Bramble in werefox and on trueform Barbs.i have died several time to Venos doing this to me in BHs and aggroed a mob.You only use Bramble in were fox or trueform Barbs so they can hold aggro.

    Ckerics already have their own defenses.

    Bramble doesn't draw mobs, and it doesn't "attract aggro" if you don't already have it AND are already being mob-bashed at melee range. If you really don't like the buff, just ask the veno to duel and purge you, simple as that.

    Most venos I see don't bramble themselves in instances either, because bramble doesn't decrease damage taken, it just reflects it, so its harder for tank/DD to pull it off you.
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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yeah, like others said, it doesn't lower defenses, but if a mob were to attack them with Bramble on, the mob would be harder to get off them. That's why when herc'd venos use Bramble on their hercs, the hercs can keep aggro on a lot of mobs while the veno heals (whereas if the pet didn't have bramble, the pet would have to attack each individual mob to keep aggro, or the mobs would come after you).

    As a rule of common courtesy, it's best to ask everyone if they want Bramble. Some clerics (like mine and my hubby) like having Bramble in certain circumstances (especially when grinding), some absolutely hate it, especially in squads where they should be able to just concentrate on healing the group.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    i used bramble rage and bramble hood on myself for so long time and i think it didnt really generate agro... i mean my pet has only buffs as skills and has no problem taking the mobs away quick
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Just one thing - some venos think that "bramble guard" is a shield = protection... The description of this skill confusing a bit. It might be the reason why venos tend to bramble clerics.

    From my point of view bramble is not welcome usually exactly as it was said here before - I get heal aggro because of some miss or something, mob run to me and I get one hit, two hits, someone realize I am being hit and want to help ... and it takes a little longer to get the mob away from me. So bramble = being hit more in these cases.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I always Bramble myself on squad runs. The reason is Clerics will usually heal you if they see your hp going dangerously low, many times at their own risk. In some scenarios, such as multiple mobs, this can go fast and both Parasitic and Nova are slow casting. Bramble ensures i can more confidently deal with mobs without worrying so much about heal aggro. Given the advantages of our pets and survival skills, i don't think Venos should be considered squishy when it comes to PvE. However this is a playstyle choice for our class, Venos shouldn't Bramble each other, except perhaps for Demons when working with other Venos that do Bramble themselves.

    I always Bramble Barbs and BMs, Sins it depends on how they handle themselves. All other classes i expect they will ask if they want the buff. Clerics should never be buffed, except when justified in a few scenarios, such as a high level difference relative to the instance or when filling the role of tanker. This is not a playstyle choice but a tactic consideration. A Cleric's number one duty is to keep themselves alive, a Cleric that ignores this by giving in to heroics or taking front line roles such as pulling is noobing it up and should not be encouraged nor have his/her whims indulged. Is not that Clerics are not capable of handling such tasks nor that they cannot sometimes take calculated risks, but ideally they should be the very last member on any given squad to deal with mobs directly. A good Cleric knows to take a few hits and deal damage. A great Cleric knows exactly WHEN to do it.
  • Siuki - Dreamweaver
    Siuki - Dreamweaver Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    never bramble random ppl
    u wont hear anything good if u bramble my bm either... if i quest at spot where r many type of mobs and i need only 1 type then i ignore other type of mobs which att me and 15 seconds later they lose agro and goes away...with bramble they never leaves and i get extra dmg...its really annoying and i always have to relog to remove ur stupid buff
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Siuki - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    never bramble random ppl
    u wont hear anything good if u bramble my bm either... if i quest at spot where r many type of mobs and i need only 1 type then i ignore other type of mobs which att me and 15 seconds later they lose agro and goes away...with bramble they never leaves and i get extra dmg...its really annoying and i always have to relog to remove ur stupid buff

    you dont have to relog. Just tell the veno to purge you. simple as that.
    >.<
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Alphae - Lost City wrote: »
    Bramble doesn't draw mobs, and it doesn't "attract aggro" if you don't already have it AND are already being mob-bashed at melee range. If you really don't like the buff, just ask the veno to duel and purge you, simple as that.

    Most venos I see don't bramble themselves in instances either, because bramble doesn't decrease damage taken, it just reflects it, so its harder for tank/DD to pull it off you.

    It does to when you are going up to heal or or some else arrgroes with bramble on them.I did say they only time to use this is in werefox form or on trufsorm barbs in melee range.You use it for those that are up at the front line not midline or backline.It is no different with Hercs reflect and when luring with a herc you don't use reflect or all the mobs will start coming to you.

    No I won't ask them to purge me I will ask them to go and get me a res scroll or 2

    Read this as well. http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Venomancer_Dungeons
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  • sleepcat
    sleepcat Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If you're going up to heal, doesn't that mean it'd be heal aggro, not bramble aggro? If anything, I think it'd be the Venomancer who would get aggro from casting it on you, not you. The target of the Bramble Guard would only gain aggro if attacked by a melee attack so the reflect damage actually activates. A good example of this would be a Hercs with reflect on. When you aoe grind with a Herc and heal it while a magic mob is attacking the Hercs before the Herc gets to hit the mob, you will gain aggro, not the Herc. Thus simply having bramble does not invoke additional aggro. The bramble must have reflected damage for aggro to be gained.

    Not that I really pay attention to bramble and aggro.
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It does to when you are going up to heal or or some else arrgroes with bramble on them.I did say they only time to use this is in werefox form or on trufsorm barbs in melee range.You use it for those that are up at the front line not midline or backline.It is no different with Hercs reflect and when luring with a herc you don't use reflect or all the mobs will start coming to you.

    No I won't ask them to purge me I will ask them to go and get me a res scroll or 2

    Read this as well. http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Venomancer_Dungeons

    In this case it's heal aggro and not bramble that attracts the mob. Bramble will generate more hate towards you after you get hit. It does not cause you to get hit.

    Bramble on other people would actually keep aggro away from the cleric provided the mob hit them before the heal landed. If the heal lands before the mob hits, it's been activated but there is no hate assigned to them, so aggro falls to the cleric.

    Personally, I think bramble should go to anyone who is melee tanking. This can be a barb (tiger form or not), BM, sin, veno (fox form or not)...but, when in doubt, ask. It differs from person to person even in the same class.

    The link is okay, but some of the points are disputable.

    And good luck getting anyone to give you even one res scroll for buffing you...
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It does to when you are going up to heal or or some else arrgroes with bramble on them.I did say they only time to use this is in werefox form or on trufsorm barbs in melee range.You use it for those that are up at the front line not midline or backline.It is no different with Hercs reflect and when luring with a herc you don't use reflect or all the mobs will start coming to you.

    No I won't ask them to purge me I will ask them to go and get me a res scroll or 2

    Read this as well. http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Venomancer_Dungeons
    Woow that's so stupid.
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Then you are noob as well as it attracks aggro from mobs even on yourself.You only use Bramble in werefox and on trueform Barbs.i have died several time to Venos doing this to me in BHs and aggroed a mob.You only use Bramble in were fox or trueform Barbs so they can hold aggro.

    Ckerics already have their own defenses.

    whats this nonsense? only use bramble on fox venos and true form barbs... i have to lol
    do you also bramble trueform bm's or fishform?
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It does to when you are going up to heal or or some else arrgroes with bramble on them.I did say they only time to use this is in werefox form or on trufsorm barbs in melee range.You use it for those that are up at the front line not midline or backline.It is no different with Hercs reflect and when luring with a herc you don't use reflect or all the mobs will start coming to you.

    No I won't ask them to purge me I will ask them to go and get me a res scroll or 2

    Read this as well. http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Venomancer_Dungeons
    if you would have read the guide, there is said lure the mobs with a suicidal and fast pet... and recommended a ranged one. scrolls? scrolls are to rez yourself like is said in that guide.
    you know, its sad when you have to read a guide and still dont understand. this things can be figured out so fast since low lvls... barely need to read any guide, speaking the majority of players
  • Lenley - Dreamweaver
    Lenley - Dreamweaver Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I wish that I could come in here and say that judging who to give bramble to is easy, but you can never account for the person behind the other character. I was recently chastised by a level 74 cleric for giving him bramble while he was helping on a bh29 run, even though he had already said he was going to tank, and the only other people in the squad were me and a level 45 cleric. Honestly, how does bramble not benefit in this situation? Sure, the 74 cleric is going to be relying mostly on ranged attacks and not getting hit in melee, even on Qingzi, but isn't even the slightest help against the melee mobs something? Of all the people in the squad, isn't it best to keep the aggro on him? It only lasts ten minutes anyway, so it's not like it's going to interfere afterwards either. Ugh, the fear some people, clerics in particular, have for bramble bugs me.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lenley - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I wish that I could come in here and say that judging who to give bramble to is easy, but you can never account for the person behind the other character. I was recently chastised by a level 74 cleric for giving him bramble while he was helping on a bh29 run, even though he had already said he was going to tank, and the only other people in the squad were me and a level 45 cleric. Honestly, how does bramble not benefit in this situation? Sure, the 74 cleric is going to be relying mostly on ranged attacks and not getting hit in melee, even on Qingzi, but isn't even the slightest help against the melee mobs something? Of all the people in the squad, isn't it best to keep the aggro on him? It only lasts ten minutes anyway, so it's not like it's going to interfere afterwards either. Ugh, the fear some people, clerics in particular, have for bramble bugs me.

    Mobs in 29 can still overwhelm a 7x, if the Cleric didn't ask for Bramble you shouldn't have done it. It's his call to make whether he needs it, not yours.

    As you have mentioned yourself Arcanes will often tank at range. This means no phys attacks which makes Bramble useless. It could however make a tanker nervous that reflected damage will be registered as melee and cause the boss to aproach, or make them fearful they could attract a patrol whilst on the job...

    b:tired It really isn't that difficult, it all comes down to using common sense. Anything any of us can say will only make for a general guideline and not aply to every single scenario. Some squads only want the main tank to be Brambled, there are others in which all will request it. Sins are the best example, some get offended if you don't treat them the same as other melees and Bramble them right away, others get upset that you do because they absolutely don't want aggro. Fortunately there is one failproof ways of settling this. ASK. It really is that easy.

    At the very beginning of a run Bramble Barbs and BMs, anyone else should ask for it. If Barb or BM gets upset about being Brambled (they shouldn't) simply ask them if they want to be purged and remember not to Bramble them again. Sins i recommend watching, if they're in fact tanking then you Bramble them, same goes for Archers sometimes and in fact for every other class (except Clerics of course) and if they complain you can then politely ask them to stop stealing aggro from the designated tank. A Cleric however, regardless of what role they may be playing, you never Bramble without asking. Never.
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    You can bramble me in fb29 without asking. And I wouldn't be upset at my 70s as well and I would most likely ask for it to see those number popups. That cleric was just showing off, period.
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A Cleric however, regardless of what role they may be playing, you never Bramble without asking. Never.

    I do bramble clerics before certain TT aoe bosses without asking, but that's generally the only time. Some freak out; they can deal with it.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You can bramble me in fb29 without asking. And I wouldn't be upset at my 70s as well and I would most likely ask for it to see those number popups. That cleric was just showing off, period.

    This is obviously speaking for yourself isn't it? Others may have a different opinion and i would certainly respect a 7x Cleric if he made the call not to get Bramble on a 29 run, especially if with a party at the apropiate BH level range. There's always the chance someone may decide to go Leeroy Jenkins on the key room and this could spell trouble at a level range in which sharding/refining your gear is not worth it, especially for pure mag builds.
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I do bramble clerics before certain TT aoe bosses without asking, but that's generally the only time. Some freak out; they can deal with it.

    This would obviously be the one exception, although i do have to say the issue is yet to be sufficiently proven to me. I've taken the word of some posters on this only to have it blow back in my face when a 9x TT squad dared me to prove it. I have yet to see any Reflect damage signs on LoP or any other TT boss despite the overwhelming numbers of people who do claim phys AoE reflects. I think i even got to see a couple of screenies on this once... Not trying to start a debate on it, this is one issue i'll actually remain neutral on.

    As i wrote on my last post this is a common sense thing, you yourself admit to no other scenario in which it would be prudent to Bramble a Cleric without asking and i will stick to this being a good rule of thumb.

    Edit; Just to make it clear, when facing a boss with phys AoE i will still ask the Cleric if he/she wants the reflect or not.
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This would obviously be the one exception, although i do have to say the issue is yet to be sufficiently proven to me. I've taken the word of some posters on this only to have it blow back in my face when a 9x TT squad dared me to prove it. I have yet to see any Reflect damage signs on LoP or any other TT boss despite the overwhelming numbers of people who do claim phys AoE reflects. I think i even got to see a couple of screenies on this once... Not trying to start a debate on it, this is one issue i'll actually remain neutral on.

    I'll take screenies with my cleric in BB and show reflecting damage if you'd like. Other than that, I'm not sure how much proof you would want.
    As i wrote on my last post this is a common sense thing, you yourself admit to no other scenario in which it would be prudent to Bramble a Cleric without asking and i will stick to this being a good rule of thumb.

    I completely agree with you here. I'm a big fan of the ask first approach.
    Edit; Just to make it clear, when facing a boss with phys AoE i will still ask the Cleric if he/she wants the reflect or not.

    The only reason I don't ask here is because I know from experience that it's beneficial. The reflect damage itself isn't enough to pull aggro off the tank, even when demon bramble crits, so as far as aggro, there are no concerns. It only speeds things up. I've had a couple clerics complain at me for brambling them at LoP and most change their tune after they see first hand that they're dealing damage.

    I'm generally nice about it though, and explain why they're being brambled. I've even been known to not bramble a couple overly zealous sins who could get 2-shotted by him, to try to keep damage off of them.

    Part of being a veno, along with any class, is to learn your skills and know more about them than other classes. You should know when your bramble is beneficial and when it shouldn't. However, you should still be courteous to others with this knowledge.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'll take screenies with my cleric in BB and show reflecting damage if you'd like. Other than that, I'm not sure how much proof you would want.

    Thank you for the offer but i wouldn't ask you to bother with it. I may have already seen screenies of this anyway... And yet i've been in runs in which i could see no proof of such damage even though i was specifically looking for it, perhaps it's been plain bad luck along with my being distracted by the veno job (amping, sparking, pet skills, etc.). I'm not claiming phys AoE does not reflect, and i'll readily concede the point given you're not the only trustworthy forum member to have reported on this. However this seems to have been inconsistent with my own experience. It's kind of like a moot point for me anyway, while there was a time when i'd be doing TT runs on an almost daily basis, the nerfed drops made it difficult to continue, and with the growing pressure to get a Herc just to be in squads i ended almost giving up on such runs.

    I do still sometimes make it into random TT squads but it's usually at a loss. People in the field do have very different attitudes towards Brambling in bosses such as LoP so asking really seems to be the best aproach in any case...
    The only reason I don't ask here is because I know from experience that it's beneficial. The reflect damage itself isn't enough to pull aggro off the tank, even when demon bramble crits, so as far as aggro, there are no concerns. It only speeds things up. I've had a couple clerics complain at me for brambling them at LoP and most change their tune after they see first hand that they're dealing damage.

    I'm generally nice about it though, and explain why they're being brambled. I've even been known to not bramble a couple overly zealous sins who could get 2-shotted by him, to try to keep damage off of them.

    Part of being a veno, along with any class, is to learn your skills and know more about them than other classes. You should know when your bramble is beneficial and when it shouldn't. However, you should still be courteous to others with this knowledge.

    I'll agree that if experience has proven this to you it would make sense not to ask, and i've already admitted to this being a possible exception. Common sense must prevail in the end. Outside of this scenario however i would strongly discourage Clerics being Brambled, and for my part i'll stick to asking even when i myself believe it to be convenient.
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    However this seems to have been inconsistent with my own experience.

    This is more of where I was curious (and offered)- why more proof would be needed.
    I do still sometimes make it into random TT squads but it's usually at a loss. People in the field do have very different attitudes towards Brambling in bosses such as LoP so asking really seems to be the best aproach in any case...

    I guess part of the reason I auto-bramble in this scenario is that I'm used to not having to ask, so it doesn't cross my mind when running with randoms. (Normally, I run with either my own cleric or my husband. Both of which I know intimately well.)

    Although to be completely honest, not everyone notices. I've had clerics ask when they were brambled while we're running back up the hall...
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is obviously speaking for yourself isn't it? Others may have a different opinion and i would certainly respect a 7x Cleric if he made the call not to get Bramble on a 29 run, especially if with a party at the apropiate BH level range. There's always the chance someone may decide to go Leeroy Jenkins on the key room and this could spell trouble at a level range in which sharding/refining your gear is not worth it, especially for pure mag builds.
    I used the right subjects this time. Respect the call? Ofc. Respect his rage? Sigh.

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