Give us Barbs what we need to compete

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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Yes, because before packs we totally had:


    Nirvana legs
    Scroll of tome
    -interval capes
    Easily available lunar claws. There were some lunar weps but like, 2 at the most on any given server, that's after being out for a year.
    there was no nirvana but you could have crafted tomes, interval capes lunar claws, tt99/tt100, DQ interval molds. there was no need to get nirvana pants to reach 5.0 as bm... hell, ppl didnt even bother to get interval gear at all. everyone wearing claws/fists were put to corner even if those were the best single target weapons for dps w/o interval at all because ppl were looking at physical atk not aps...
  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    5.0 barbs have better survivability than any other class and close dps to bm's... why in the hell they need atk lvls?


    there was no pre-interval just ppl being stupid and not considering it, everything was there in the game from day 1.
    wiz were not more desired in the past and now even less
    bm were always wanted but only those competent enough to stun, buff and dragons
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Yes, because before packs we totally had:


    Nirvana legs
    Scroll of tome
    -interval capes
    Easily available lunar claws. There were some lunar weps but like, 2 at the most on any given server, that's after being out for a year.


    Yes there WAS pre-interval, and do you even have a BM and know what it was like to be one before pax-etc? I doubt.

    Any person who ran competent TT squads before packs will tell you that Wizards and Archers were "DD" and BM were "meh, i guess we could add for the buff".

    HF was far less of a factor in TT's since all the DD had to nuke RIGHT when there was an HF since there were no 5aps railing off 1mil in damage in the time HF lasted.

    kenlee wrote: »
    there was no nirvana but you could have crafted tomes, interval capes lunar claws, tt99/tt100, DQ interval molds. there was no need to get nirvana pants to reach 5.0 as bm... hell, ppl didnt even bother to get interval gear at all. everyone wearing claws/fists were put to corner even if those were the best single target weapons for dps w/o interval at all because ppl were looking at physical atk not aps...


    Interval cape is Lunar trophy mode which afaik still is not implemented = Pack only.

    TT99? We are talking Pre-packs which would mean pre BH's which would mean GL finding a squad back then that could farm 3-3 gold mats effectively.

    Or farm Lunar effectively.

    Were L5 Tomes even in the forge then?

    You are talking like everyone back then had 10,000$ dumped into the game, interval back then was almost a myth and the only BM that I ever remember having TT99 was Suntear and Corz, they probably don't cash shop that much, right?
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  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Double Post:


    Fail thread move, this was a discussion.

    OP should post a QQ thread in the suggestion forum not move this here.
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    Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." ~Sun Tzu

    "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
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  • Starrr - Harshlands
    Starrr - Harshlands Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The only thing that should be changed is agro skills and yes it needs to be seriously increased. No damage increase whatsoever though.

    If you are wondering I have 10x of every class but psy and sin so I have seen the headaches of **** agro skills from all sides as gear gets better. Better gear on the barb does not help when there are +12 5.0 users permasparking away.

    Absolutely no damage increase though. Just agro increase.
    Staring at the wall is much more rewarding than playing PW.
  • TempleSlave - Lost City
    TempleSlave - Lost City Posts: 324 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ....

    Seriously, how long ago did you buy your account?
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Interval cape is Lunar trophy mode which afaik still is not implemented = Pack only.

    Lunar TM has been in the game for months, dude.
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  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Lunar TM has been in the game for months, dude.

    I stopped trying Lunar after they implemented the "6mil to run it" and it was still broken.
    "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory.
    Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." ~Sun Tzu

    "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
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  • bytchplease
    bytchplease Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Level 66 Barb for Sale..

    Stomp of Beast King LvL 10
    Garotte LvL 10
    Swell LvL 5
    Penetrate armor lvl 5
    Firestorm LvL 2
    Slam LvL 2
    Bestial Onslaught lvl 3
    Armageddon lvl 3
    Blood Bath lvl 2
    strenght of the titan lvl 1
    True form lvl 4
    devour lvl 5
    Alarcity of the beast lvl 7
    sunder lvl 1
    poison fang lvl 5
    Mighty swing lvl 7

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  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    bytchplease wrote: »
    Level 66 Barb for Sale..

    Stomp of Beast King LvL 10
    Garotte LvL 10
    Swell LvL 5
    Penetrate armor lvl 5
    Firestorm LvL 2
    Slam LvL 2
    Bestial Onslaught lvl 3
    Armageddon lvl 3
    Blood Bath lvl 2
    strenght of the titan lvl 1
    True form lvl 4
    devour lvl 5
    Alarcity of the beast lvl 7
    sunder lvl 1
    poison fang lvl 5
    Mighty swing lvl 7

    hit me up on yahoo with offers
    damagehits@yahoo.com


    ROFL, its worthless, you can do 66 in a matter of days.
    "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory.
    Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." ~Sun Tzu

    "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
    ~Iron Mike Tyson Enrage.omgforum.net
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • jermitz
    jermitz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    peacefulsilence wrote: »
    Sounds like the shoe is finally on the other foot.

    For a long time people have grone sick of Barb arrogance. Refusing to put themselves out there for things like BHs until they were offered free wining ect. Now that other classes are starting to build more agressively barbs usefulness is being phased out.

    But you know what? Instead of QQing and asking for attack grade? Why not invest some cash like all these DD's you're QQing about and increase the power of your weapon. Sick of seeing dd's with +5 weapons with good gems and barbs with +2 or lower and no gems. And no one seems to realize thats why agro is stolen so easilly. The barbs fail *** weapon.

    Asside from that most barbs can't even preform basic mobbing putting the whole squad in jeopardy by putting the cleric at risk when healing an agroed barb whos only attacked one of the monsters.

    You already have the tools to compete, stop asking for a free ride like always. b:angry

    As a barb, I'm ****ing offended by this comment. You know what? It's not because barbarians are arrogant that none wants to join BHs or etc. It's because Little actually plays Barbarians or until a high level.

    Why?

    We're low damage.

    Not only that, We need to repair out armour, Constantly.

    It's like after one quest, three of my equips have broken down and I'm actually only rewarded 10k coins while I have to spend 20k fixing my equips? I'm actually paying more (to fix weapons) than what I'm earning from grinds and quests.

    Many people quit Barbarians halfway as a result, that's why, You Don't See Many Barbarians. Many (not discrediting those who worked hard on their first barb) of those high level barbs you see are probably Alts, or rather, I'll put it as second or third characters.

    A very fine example is in the Celestial Tiger event this week. In my server, ONLY 15, FIFTEEN, barbs participated, Out Of 250 participants. That Proves Way Lot. While others had to compete fiercely for the top 20, I was placed in the top 20 right away after getting 2k contribution points. So, yeah? You get it, huh?

    b:angry

    Go create a whole new barb without assistance from your main and try understand our pain. Jeez.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Interval cape is Lunar trophy mode which afaik still is not implemented = Pack only.

    TT99? We are talking Pre-packs which would mean pre BH's which would mean GL finding a squad back then that could farm 3-3 gold mats effectively.

    Or farm Lunar effectively.

    Were L5 Tomes even in the forge then?

    There are other interval capes, mainly those from Trophy Mode from Wraithgate, Hallucinatory Trench. The only other ones that could have them are Lunar and Frost, but I have no clue if Frost Trophy Mode ever existed and Lunar has never been popular.

    As for the tomes, until recently, you could only make them up to Level 5 tomes, those being the ones required to make Pan Gu, The Creator.

    So effectively, the highest you could go on a BM would be 2 APS unsparked, or 2.86 sparked. And even that requires 4 pieces of TT99 and a TT100 fist. Well, technically, you could go 2.22 unsparked, but that wouldn't change a thing. Oh, and assuming similar refines, you'd end up with ~42% less DPS than a 5 APS BM. And that's without considering the fact that permasparking is impossible without at least 4 APS.
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  • TempleSlave - Lost City
    TempleSlave - Lost City Posts: 324 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    **** off and suck a dck, this has always been my account you no-life, non-factor, alt-hiding piece of ****.

    You're a moron. I'll tell you why... because you've been here since the beginning but are so wrong and so stupid?

    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Any person who ran competent TT squads before packs will tell you that Wizards and Archers were "DD" and BM were "meh, i guess we could add for the buff".

    That's probably becase you're a horrible player. BMs were always welcome in a squad for mob management, 100% damage amp and buffs. People must have just avoided taking a no-skill loser like you.

    TT99? We are talking Pre-packs which would mean pre BH's which would mean GL finding a squad back then that could farm 3-3 gold mats effectively.

    Or farm Lunar effectively.

    You don't even know why do you?

    Before BH, which came shortly before packs, it took people so long to level that at that time there weren't enough people farming 3-3. There weren't even enough level 100's to farm Belial for ADS back then.

    People were just getting to the point of farming lunar pre-packs. I know several people that had farmed lunar weapons and armor. Before packs, there weren't enough players who would actually even bother farming it or weren't high enough level to. Either that or you're just horrible at PvE.

    People were even half way to farming G14 event boots/helm before packs came out.
    Were L5 Tomes even in the forge then?

    Yes, level 5 tomes have always been in PWI. Level 6 tomes came into existence with the Tideborn update.

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  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »
    You're a moron. I'll tell you why... because you've been here since the beginning but are so wrong and so stupid?




    That's probably becase you're a horrible player. BMs were always welcome in a squad for mob management, 100% damage amp and buffs. People must have just avoided taking a no-skill loser like you.




    You don't even know why do you?

    Before BH, which came shortly before packs, it took people so long to level that at that time there weren't enough people farming 3-3. There weren't even enough level 100's to farm Belial for ADS back then.

    People were just getting to the point of farming lunar pre-packs. I know several people that had farmed lunar weapons and armor. Before packs, there weren't enough players who would actually even bother farming it or weren't high enough level to. Either that or you're just horrible at PvE.

    People were even half way to farming G14 event boots/helm before packs came out.



    Yes, level 5 tomes have always been in PWI. Level 6 tomes came into existence with the Tideborn update.

    /ib4ilolatfailbmmore



    What does crappy event boots/helm have to do with interval gear?

    Who needed crowd control when most ppl rushed ALL the mobs except a handful?

    The entire argument was that interval was pretty much impossible to attain at that time without dumping tons of cash into the game.

    Still nice you are too scared to come out from behind your alt.

    gofailmoar

    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    There are other interval capes, mainly those from Trophy Mode from Wraithgate, Hallucinatory Trench. The only other ones that could have them are Lunar and Frost, but I have no clue if Frost Trophy Mode ever existed and Lunar has never been popular.

    As for the tomes, until recently, you could only make them up to Level 5 tomes, those being the ones required to make Pan Gu, The Creator.

    So effectively, the highest you could go on a BM would be 2 APS unsparked, or 2.86 sparked. And even that requires 4 pieces of TT99 and a TT100 fist. Well, technically, you could go 2.22 unsparked, but that wouldn't change a thing. Oh, and assuming similar refines, you'd end up with ~42% less DPS than a 5 APS BM. And that's without considering the fact that permasparking is impossible without at least 4 APS.


    Yeah but trophy mode was introduced kinda outside of the general timeline of the argument, also the majority of ppl between trophy mode and when lunar was fixed were already too high to do the wraith gate/trench TM.

    Back then a wiz/archer could consistently lay down more DD on instance bosses that at the time did nothing but nomnom on the tank and int user was pretty much an unfeasible route for anyone who didnt have a direct line of credit with PWE.
    "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory.
    Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." ~Sun Tzu

    "Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"
    ~Iron Mike Tyson Enrage.omgforum.net
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  • TempleSlave - Lost City
    TempleSlave - Lost City Posts: 324 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What does crappy event boots/helm have to do with interval gear?

    Who needed crowd control when most ppl rushed ALL the mobs except a handful?

    The entire argument was that interval was pretty much impossible to attain at that time without dumping tons of cash into the game.

    Still nice you are too scared to come out from behind your alt.

    gofailmoar

    Your entire argument is filled with horrible logic and not knowing what you're talking about.

    lol@terribad bm who can't get squads or farm.

    I bet just hearing "TT" makes you cry. "i ish fail bm nobody takes me to TT qqq"... loser.
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  • Wenomus - Dreamweaver
    Wenomus - Dreamweaver Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Wolfenrix - Sanctuary wrote: »

    2) Bms, Sins, fist weapon users max out at 3.0-3.5 aps

    ppftt, BM are the new tanks :D
  • Wolfenrix - Sanctuary
    Wolfenrix - Sanctuary Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    interestingly enough the only people pissed about my idea are the ones that stand to be replaced with barbs that could hold agrro if my idea was implemented.

    i helped farm gear for many classes as a tank but now i am overlooked and unneeded.

    not QQing but merely saying that fair is fair.

    Barbs are the only true tanks!

    everyone else is just posing.

    barbs shouldnt have to evolve into fisters just to get invited to squad.

    @ 100 barbs should be Attack +20
    and have better aggro skills
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  • LifeHunting - Lost City
    LifeHunting - Lost City Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    edited October 2010
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